Protesters rally to end wind power

[Schadenfroh]

http://www.owensoundsuntimes.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=3290784

Life 'devastated' by wind turbines
Schmidt said she became so ill while living among turbines that she is now unable to work as a registered nurse.

"My life is devastated because of it."
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On Wednesday, she staged an anti-wind protest in front of Huron-Bruce Liberal MPP Carol Mitchell's constituency office, after a brief meeting with the provincial cabinet minister. Schmidt said the police were called on her.

Later in the day, Schmidt joined about 70 anti-turbine protesters outside Meaford Hall for a rally to coincide with a fundraiser for Bruce-Grey-Owen Sound Liberal candidate Kevin Eccles. Provincial Environment Minister John Wilkinson was expected to attend the event, but cancelled due to a scheduling conflict.

Schmidt was front and centre at the rally.

Using a megaphone, she led the crowd in chants like "Hey hey, ho ho, Dalton McGuinty's got to go," "Where's John Wilkinson," and "The winds of change are coming."

She held a large white sign that read "What about our health?"

She said her goal is to put a human face on the suffering caused by industrial wind turbines. She is calling on the province to halt new wind farm projects until an independent epidemiological health study is completed.

Maybe they should lead by example, such as ending their dependency on electricity. If one wants green energy, one is going to have to deal with wind and solar farms, or build nuclear reactors which are much more efficient in regards to space (and contains pollution generated, unlike fossil fuels). Such is the price of progress, many of my relatives had to give up their family land to build the interstate system.

 

[MovingTarget]

I can understand how this would happen if the turbines interfered with your sleep. Lack of sleep causes all sorts of nasty health effects and quality of life problems. However, I an skeptical of that being the case here. A few samplings of the audible noise from the turbines should be able to clear that right up. I'd like to see what frequency and amplitude these turbines produce at her home.

 

[chucky2]

How could one become 'ill' living amongst wind turbines? Some kind of pressure differential thing?

 

[Jaskalas]

MovingTarget is on the right track. Not being able to sleep is devastating, and the noise at the home should be investigated to determine just how valid the complaint really is.

 

[Throckmorton]

I guess she thinks the EM emissions from the generators are affecting her? Seems pretty unlikely.

 

[Throckmorton]

MovingTarget is on the right track. Not being able to sleep is devastating, and the noise at the home should be investigated to determine just how valid the complaint really is.

The article doesn't mention noise, or any other cause. It just talks about the symptoms.

 

[Franz316]

I live by a few big ones and they are nearly silent, I'm not exactly sure what they are complaining about. I think they look pretty elegant actually...

 

[MovingTarget]

The article doesn't mention noise, or any other cause. It just talks about the symptoms.

It mentioned "wind turbine syndrome" and lack of sleep. Noise is the most obvious possible culprit, and the easiest to measure. Pressure differentials, EM fields, etc are much more indirect and cannot be easily linked to the symptoms this person suffers.

 

[MovingTarget]

I live by a few big ones and they are nearly silent, I'm not exactly sure what they are complaining about. I think they look pretty elegant actually...

I wouldn't mind living near them, myself. Granted, there are places wind turbines shouldn't be, such as near major bird sanctuaries, but if I were in big wind country, I'd love to get that reduction in my power bill.

 

[herm0016]

i have stood within 20 feet of the base of them while running. Just a faint woosh woosh woosh sound and really no vibration that you can feel.

 

[William Gaatjes]

i have stood within 20 feet of the base of them while running. Just a faint woosh woosh woosh sound and really no vibration that you can feel.

The magic of the human mind to focus on one subject only can go to extremes at times.

It makes me think of a discussion i last had with a colleague.
For example, a lot of my colleagues do not like the whirling sound of a spinning fan from for example a power supply. And get really frustrated of it.
Strangely, for me it is no issue. Since it is more or less constant over time, the threshold of my hearing just averages it out over time. For me sudden noises with different distinct characteristics are an issue. Because i get interrupted out of my concentration by those sounds no matter how hard i try. Especially if these sounds are outside my visual field. But noises such as wind blowing, background music, the sea rushing, rain, a highway or wind turbines just average out to relative 0 meaning i become aware of it only when it stops. Because it is more or less constant in amplitude and frequency over time.

Perhaps this woman has a tendency to focus her concentration on the distinct sounds of the wind turbines. If she would constantly think about it, she could get pretty frustrated. Everybody would to be honest.

This would also be an amplifying factor for not being able to sleep.
Having not much sleep and an almost obsessive way of thinking about something that troubles you, is a guaranteed method of not being able to sleep. Some of us will be able to agree, consciously or subconsciously

More and more i notice that the given free choice, encompasses much more then we ever would think about.

A funny comparison :
The human brain is a lot like a circular particle accelerator.
Where the thought is the particle. Every time the particle makes one complete transit, it increases in energy. With a racing thought, it is essentially the same. The longer that thought is focused upon, the more in strength it increases and gains priority over other thoughts. For some this causes depression, for others who can control it, it acts as a protective measure. Functioning as a second nature. In control it gives you abilities you can use in your every day work and every day life for example.

 

[CPA]

I can understand how this would happen if the turbines interfered with your sleep. Lack of sleep causes all sorts of nasty health effects and quality of life problems. However, I an skeptical of that being the case here. A few samplings of the audible noise from the turbines should be able to clear that right up. I'd like to see what frequency and amplitude these turbines produce at her home.

If it were truly a noise issue, and I doubt it is, just wear earplugs. How difficult is that?

 

[dmcowen674]

She should move to a city, no wind farms in a city.

 

[shira]

The valid gripes I've heard concerning wind turbines are bird kill and that fact that they're an eyesore. But I haven't read or heard of any reputable studies establishing a causal link between wind turbines and human health problems.

 

[PingSpike]

Probably one of the same people from around here that claimed a wifi tower would cause brain cancer. They were successful in preventing its construction.

 

[Lanyap]

First I've heard of wind turbine syndrome. Dr Nina Pierpont seems to be the source of this new syndrome.

Dr Nina Pierpont, a leading New York paediatrician, has been studying the symptoms displayed by people living near wind turbines in the US, the UK, Italy, Ireland and Canada for more than five years. Her findings have led her to confirm what she has identified as a new health risk, wind turbine syndrome (WTS). This is the disruption or abnormal stimulation of the inner ear's vestibular system by turbine infrasound and low-frequency noise, the most distinctive feature of which is a group of symptoms which she calls visceral vibratory vestibular disturbance, or VVVD. They cause problems ranging from internal pulsation, quivering, nervousness, fear, a compulsion to flee, chest tightness and tachycardia – increased heart rate. Turbine noise can also trigger nightmares and other disorders in children as well as harm cognitive development in the young, she claims. However, Dr Pierpont also makes it clear that not all people living close to turbines are susceptible.

At the heart of Dr Pierpont's findings is that humans are affected by low-frequency noise and vibrations from wind turbines through their ear bones, rather like fish and other amphibians. That humans have the same sensitivity as fish is based on new discoveries made by scientists at Manchester University and New South Wales last year. This, she claims, overturns the medical orthodoxy of the past 70 years on which acousticians working for wind farms are using to base their noise measurements. "It has been gospel among acousticians for years that if a person can't hear a sound, it's too weak for it to be detected or registered by any other part of the body," she said. "But this is no longer true. Humans can hear through the bones. This is amazing. It would be heretical if it hadn't been shown in a well-conducted experiment."

http://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...identifies-wind-turbine-syndrome-1766254.html

 

[bfdd]

One of my best friends older brothers cannot have a wireless router or cordless phones in his house. The buzz he hears drives him crazy. They have wired everything, it's pretty fuckin funny tbh. It's like going back years lol

 

[Fear No Evil]

So we're left with Unicorn Farts for clean power now I think..

 

[Schadenfroh]

One of my best friends older brothers cannot have a wireless router or cordless phones in his house. The buzz he hears drives him crazy. They have wired everything, it's pretty fuckin funny tbh. It's like going back years lol

I do not understand how it is possible to "hear" wifi. Have you tried to see if he reacts the same way to something that he thinks is a router, but is not broadcasting or not really powered on?

 

[Broheim]

I do not understand how it is possible to "hear" wifi. Have you tried to see if he reacts the same way to something that he thinks is a router, but is not broadcasting or not really powered on?

do people actually claim to hear wifi

 

[randomrogue]

Unicorn Farts fuck up my sinuses. I'll protest those all day long!!

These people are either wacko or are worried that they are affecting their housing prices. Health problems? Yeah right.

 

[William Gaatjes]

First I've heard of wind turbine syndrome. Dr Nina Pierpont seems to be the source of this new syndrome.






http://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...identifies-wind-turbine-syndrome-1766254.html

Infrasound. I had not thought of that. Many animals are able to feel infrasound. THey do not hear it but they can feel it. It is the magic sense that some animals seem to have as an early warning system to earthquakes or volcanic eruptions. There is an documentary about octopuses that live near an active volcano , the stromboli. These animals can perfectly sense (through analyzing vibration patterns)when the eruption is going to take place. They are never just in time, they are always at the right time gone.

The documentary about octopuses and stromboli :
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=338953171174008035

But there are also theories of other animals, not only sensing pressure changes in the atmosphere. Us humans with regular problematic sinuses (yeah i am one of them, and it is not always an advantage) can sense the same pressure changes at times.

And as last, it reminds of when not to far away a large truck passes, i can sense the air vibrations at the center of my torso and in my spine. But all this would mean she would be clearly able to sense it. And that is the big question. Is it mentally or is physically ? Because this can clearly measured.

 

[William Gaatjes]

do people actually claim to hear wifi

There is on possible explanation but a lot of variables would have to meet first.
I would rather suspect a high power low rf radiostation (AM range) then GHz radiation.

It is theoretically possible for a tooth filling to function as a diode rectifier.
It would be a lousy one but might function good enough.
But you would have to tie a long wire and make a physical connection to the tooth filing. The real issue is how to explain the electrical to sound conversion.
I know dry bones are capable of some piezo electric activity but i doubt it would be enough. The material our skeletons are made of do have some bizarre electrical properties. Electrical polarization seems to be a very important tool in the toolbox of life.

 

[Matthiasa]

The high frequency ringing is more a function of the components then anything (assuming it's real). I can't have my TV plugged in at night since it does produce a high frequency audible sound. However that sound is drown out by almost any other source of noise, as such it is only an issue on quiet nights.

 

[William Gaatjes]

The high frequency ringing is more a function of the components then anything (assuming it's real). I can't have my TV plugged in at night since it does produce a high frequency audible sound. However that sound is drown out by almost any other source of noise, as such it is only an issue on quiet nights.

If that is indeed the case, an SMPS might be the culprit. For those not knowing, a SMPS is a switch mode power supply where an electronic switch is switched on and off for thousands of times per second. But most function at switching frequencies far above the the human ear can detect. However, some can cause audible frequency noise because of load changes.

For your tv, when the tv is on, the switching frequency is high enough that you cannot hear it. When it is off, the smps enters into a power saving mode. Chirping smps power supplies are quite common when there is not enough load.

With old CRT televisions, the horizontal line frequency was in the range of about 15 to 16 kHz. With good ears, it can be quite irritating. Because you feel it more then that you actually here it. At least that is my experience.