Protesters livid over play depicting Jesus as gay

[outriding]

I for one welcome our new gay overlord.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: isasir
Those wacky Scotland Christian protesters

It's one thing to be insulted and offended by something, but to call police? Give me a f'n break.

LONDON, England (Reuters) -- A group of Christian protesters in Scotland has called on police to prosecute a theater company for blasphemy because it is putting on a play about a gay Jesus.

"If there is a blasphemy like this, Christians have to stand up," said Stephen Green of Christian Voice who protested outside a theatre showing Terence McNally's controversial play "Corpus Christi" at St Andrews University.

"Jesus Christ is being portrayed here as a foul-mouthed, drunken, promiscuous homosexual and that is an insult to my faith," Green told BBC Radio.

But the play's director, Zsuzsi Lyndsay, defended the production: "He is not portrayed as a drunken foulmouth. He doesn't say one bad word throughout the play."

Christian Voice was not placated. It has formally lodged a complaint with police, arguing that the American playwright's work was blasphemous. No decision has been taken yet.

Imagine if this had happened in an Arab country, and the play was about a gay Mohammud. The police would have been called, but only to investigate the deaths of the employees of the theatre company.

The goal of making all Christians look bad by certain At'ers is pathetic. There are definitely some people here that could be called bigots.

I for one, am sick and tired of the typical stereotype of the "southern Christian zealot" portrayed here.

The truth is every damn presidential candidate nominated by the DNC is presumably Christian, and Clinton and Gore were from Arkansas and Tennessee, respectively. I'd bet that the majority of people who voted for Kerry are Christian.

If some of the people on the Left want to retain their "Elitism," and their blind hatred of Christians and people of other faiths, they should expect more defeats in our political process. Not only will the DNC not gain any futher support, but they will lose the Christian support they already have.

I for one may be a perfect example. As a Republican, a Christian, and a southerner, I have voted for third party candidates the past two elections. I don't like Bush, and I am sick and tired of the "Elitism," and anti-Christian remarks made by those on the Left. The result? Kerry is now unemployed, and the Chimp is still in office. If you want these results to continue, then fine, keep making idiotic remarks about Christians, and you all call can sit and bitch and moan and cry about Republicans winning elections. It seems to make you all happy.

/rant

Are you arguing that what the protestors did wasn't stupid? Because through all your ranting and assumptions, I didn't see anything that contradicts what people have already said in this thread.

What I didn't see in the thread was anything talking about "southern Christians", Christians in general, Republicans, elections, or elitism of the Left. What I see is people pretty much agreeing that it was offensive and possibly in poor taste, but freedom of speech is still freedom of speech even for ideas you don't like.

You seem pretty ready to go on a rabid attack over some imagined insult to your beliefs. Why is that?

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Imagine if this had happened in an Arab country, and the play was about a gay Mohammud. The police would have been called, but only to investigate the deaths of the employees of the theatre company.

While this might very well be true. Aren't you making quite the stereotypical statement here yourself?

The goal of making all Christians look bad by certain At'ers is pathetic. There are definitely some people here that could be called bigots.

There are bigots on both sides. There's no way to avoid those kind of people in the world. All you can do is try not to become like them.

I for one, am sick and tired of the typical stereotype of the "southern Christian zealot" portrayed here.

While I agree with you to some degree, don't you think you should take a very close look at your first statement? Given your intended effect by posting this reply. Don't you think you kind of killed your own post by making that statement, however possible the statement might seem?

 

[wchou]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
If God/Jesus is perfect, and man was created in his image, how can we be such imperfect beings? Perfection cannot be tempted, it is perfection. Utter and total perfection cannot become imperfect, nor can it create imperfection. Nor can it be challenged or disagreed with, because, with perfection, comes the lack of disagreement.
If one being disagrees with perfection it is no longer perfection just opinion backed with power. Perfection encompasses anything and everything.

Huh?

:confused;

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: wchou

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
If God/Jesus is perfect, and man was created in his image, how can we be such imperfect beings? Perfection cannot be tempted, it is perfection. Utter and total perfection cannot become imperfect, nor can it create imperfection. Nor can it be challenged or disagreed with, because, with perfection, comes the lack of disagreement.
If one being disagrees with perfection it is no longer perfection just opinion backed with power. Perfection encompasses anything and everything.

Huh?

😕

Which part are you confused about?

 

[magomago]

I think its bad taste for sure. I'm personally against it, but it is their choice to express that, right? On top of it, like a poster mentioned they will pay for their deeds later on...

I wonder why people say Jesus was gay though. Is there anything in the Bible that indicates this? Or is this just because he was chaste? Anyone?

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: JackStorm

Originally posted by: bamacre

Imagine if this had happened in an Arab country, and the play was about a gay Mohammud. The police would have been called, but only to investigate the deaths of the employees of the theatre company.

While this might very well be true. Aren't you making quite the stereotypical statement here yourself?

The goal of making all Christians look bad by certain At'ers is pathetic. There are definitely some people here that could be called bigots.

There are bigots on both sides. There's no way to avoid those kind of people in the world. All you can do is try not to become like them.

I for one, am sick and tired of the typical stereotype of the "southern Christian zealot" portrayed here.

While I agree with you to some degree, don't you think you should take a very close look at your first statement? Given your intended effect by posting this reply. Don't you think you kind of killed your own post by making that statement, however possible the statement might seem?

Yup, I sure did. You're right.

Sorry about my rant, especially in this particular topic. Ahh, sometimes you keep stuff bottled up, and it comes out at an unrelated and unexpected time. 🙂

 

[Gen Stonewall]

I'm sure that play is one of the nuttiest to come out (no pun intended) in a while, but probably the best reaction would be to throw darts at its advertisement poster. What can the police do?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
If God/Jesus is perfect, and man was created in his image, how can we be such imperfect beings? Perfection cannot be tempted, it is perfection. Utter and total perfection cannot become imperfect, nor can it create imperfection. Nor can it be challenged or disagreed with, because, with perfection, comes the lack of disagreement.
If one being disagrees with perfection it is no longer perfection just opinion backed with power. Perfection encompasses anything and everything.

Everything is perfect. Imperfection comes form duality, the ability to use words as a substitute for things. As soon as there is a notion of an I and evil you realize what it mean that you are bad. As soon as that happens you separate from that self and loose your sense of perfection. Evil comes to the world the moment there is created this false need that something has to happen to make things right. Things are made perfect when the illusion of self separation disappears. Humanity is engaged in a struggle that is 180 degrees from the truth which ever way the false self turns.

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Ahh, sometimes you keep stuff bottled up, and it comes out at an unrelated and unexpected time. 🙂

Yeah, these things happen. Keeping things bottled can cause that. But at least you were able to calm down. Which is a good thing.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
If God/Jesus is perfect, and man was created in his image, how can we be such imperfect beings? Perfection cannot be tempted, it is perfection. Utter and total perfection cannot become imperfect, nor can it create imperfection. Nor can it be challenged or disagreed with, because, with perfection, comes the lack of disagreement.
If one being disagrees with perfection it is no longer perfection just opinion backed with power. Perfection encompasses anything and everything.

Everything is perfect. Imperfection comes form duality, the ability to use words as a substitute for things. As soon as there is a notion of an I and evil you realize what it mean that you are bad. As soon as that happens you separate from that self and loose your sense of perfection. Evil comes to the world the moment there is created this false need that something has to happen to make things right. Things are made perfect when the illusion of self separation disappears. Humanity is engaged in a struggle that is 180 degrees from the truth which ever way the false self turns.

I am sure there are things outside of logic that exist, that I have no inkling of, but I truely believe that perfection cannot create, or be changed, into imperfection.
A perfect being stays perfect, because in perfection there is no doubt. Perfection is. There is no doubt, no gray area. If there were, that would be imperfection.

If God is perfect, there would be no if at the beginning of this sentence.

Therefor...

Unless of course, imperfection is perfection.

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: JackStorm
Now, I'm no big fan of religion. But as TravisT said, it's somewhat disrespectful to portray him as gay, unless they can prove he was gay that is. Personally, I don't care if he was straight or gay.

Still, I'm inclined to agree with the op on one thing, why call the police? Why not just walk away? Turn the other cheek or something? I mean, if it's blasphemous, shouldn't it be enough for them to know that God will punish those who are doing this when the time comes?

It's very disrespectful and in horrible taste but unless there's laws in Scotland regarding blasphemy, which I doubt, I'm not sure what the point is of calling the police.

Pretty much.

 

[Isla]

Bah. Paul was the one who was probably gay. 😛

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Isla
Bah. Paul was the one who was probably gay. 😛

Probably. My understanding is that he's the one who was primarily responsible for this ridiculous sexual repressiveness that permeates the Catholic Church.

 

[Isla]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Isla
Bah. Paul was the one who was probably gay. 😛

Probably. My understanding is that he's the one who was primarily responsible for this ridiculous sexual repressiveness that permeates the Catholic Church.

😉

Hey Astraroth, have you seen What the Bleep Do We Know yet? You might find it interesting.

The Nature of God?

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Isla

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Isla
Bah. Paul was the one who was probably gay. 😛

Probably. My understanding is that he's the one who was primarily responsible for this ridiculous sexual repressiveness that permeates the Catholic Church.

😉

Hey Astraroth, have you seen What the Bleep Do We Know yet? You might find it interesting.

The Nature of God?

That looks very unusual and interesting 🙂 Thanks for the link!

 

[Gen Stonewall]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
If God/Jesus is perfect, and man was created in his image, how can we be such imperfect beings? Perfection cannot be tempted, it is perfection. Utter and total perfection cannot become imperfect, nor can it create imperfection. Nor can it be challenged or disagreed with, because, with perfection, comes the lack of disagreement.
If one being disagrees with perfection it is no longer perfection just opinion backed with power. Perfection encompasses anything and everything.

Everything is perfect. Imperfection comes form duality, the ability to use words as a substitute for things. As soon as there is a notion of an I and evil you realize what it mean that you are bad. As soon as that happens you separate from that self and loose your sense of perfection. Evil comes to the world the moment there is created this false need that something has to happen to make things right. Things are made perfect when the illusion of self separation disappears. Humanity is engaged in a struggle that is 180 degrees from the truth which ever way the false self turns.

I think people with no language ability would still have a sense of good and evil. This happens to me when I dream sometimes.

 

[datalink7]

How could Jesus be gay when he was in love with a prostitute?😕




😉😛

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: TravisT
I don't find it ridiculous. As a Christian, I do find this insulting to my faith. I would also find it offensive if they portrayed buddah as a fat drunken slob.... It doesn't have anything to do with them not believing the way I do, but everything to do with ethics people should and need to portray.

In the matter of religion--ANY religion, you have no right to tell anyone htat they can't represent Jesus as a flaming homo or anything else they want to just because you'd be offended. You know what you do if something offends you? Walk away and don't take part, simple as that.

Yours is just another excuse for <Fill in the blank religion/group> to use BS excuses to muzzle those who disagree with you.

It's a stupid play, get over it.

Jason

 

[Riprorin]

I stand corrected Scotland does have a blasphemy law.

Q &amp; A: Blasphemy law

Therefore, if a law was being broken, Scottish citizens had every right to call the police.

 

[Kipper]

Idiots.

 

[gutharius]

Originally posted by: JackStorm
Now, I'm no big fan of religion. But as TravisT said, it's somewhat disrespectful to portray him as gay, unless they can prove he was gay that is. Personally, I don't care if he was straight or gay.

Still, I'm inclined to agree with the op on one thing, why call the police? Why not just walk away? Turn the other cheek or something? I mean, if it's blasphemous, shouldn't it be enough for them to know that God will punish those who are doing this when the time comes?

Ditto

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
I stand corrected Scotland does have a blasphemy law.

Q &amp; A: Blasphemy law

Therefore, if a law was being broken, Scottish citizens had every right to call the police.

What right does such a law have to exist? The fact that this law is still in existance shows that the world still has a long way to go.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Imagine if this had happened in an Arab country, and the play was about a gay Mohammud. The police would have been called, but only to investigate the deaths of the employees of the theatre company.

So you are content with society as long as you can point out something that is worse? Whether you kill them or through them in jail, you are still infringing on someones basic right to think, and have their thoughts known.

The goal of making all Christians look bad by certain At'ers is pathetic. There are definitely some people here that could be called bigots.

I for one, am sick and tired of the typical stereotype of the "southern Christian zealot" portrayed here.

Christians are quite good at this themselves, they don't need AT'ers to make them look bad.

The truth is every damn presidential candidate nominated by the DNC is presumably Christian, and Clinton and Gore were from Arkansas and Tennessee, respectively. I'd bet that the majority of people who voted for Kerry are Christian.

Of course not all christians zealously to to enforce their beliefs on others, and supress the thoughts of those who do not agree with them.

If some of the people on the Left want to retain their "Elitism," and their blind hatred of Christians and people of other faiths, they should expect more defeats in our political process. Not only will the DNC not gain any futher support, but they will lose the Christian support they already have.

Please define the term "elite", and why it only applies to "liberals". Do you consider Rupurt Muroch, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and their ilk to me elites, or do you simply believe the way that the right has framed the issue?

I for one may be a perfect example. As a Republican, a Christian, and a southerner, I have voted for third party candidates the past two elections. I don't like Bush, and I am sick and tired of the "Elitism," and anti-Christian remarks made by those on the Left. The result? Kerry is now unemployed, and the Chimp is still in office. If you want these results to continue, then fine, keep making idiotic remarks about Christians, and you all call can sit and bitch and moan and cry about Republicans winning elections. It seems to make you all happy.

/rant

Kerry is not unemployeed.

 

[wchou]

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Idiots.

children, behave yourself. there are growups here.
OK? now play nicely or we will not talk to ya ever again.

:disgust: