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Protesters livid over play depicting Jesus as gay

isasir

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Those wacky Scotland Christian protesters

It's one thing to be insulted and offended by something, but to call police? Give me a f'n break.

LONDON, England (Reuters) -- A group of Christian protesters in Scotland has called on police to prosecute a theater company for blasphemy because it is putting on a play about a gay Jesus.

"If there is a blasphemy like this, Christians have to stand up," said Stephen Green of Christian Voice who protested outside a theatre showing Terence McNally's controversial play "Corpus Christi" at St Andrews University.

"Jesus Christ is being portrayed here as a foul-mouthed, drunken, promiscuous homosexual and that is an insult to my faith," Green told BBC Radio.

But the play's director, Zsuzsi Lyndsay, defended the production: "He is not portrayed as a drunken foulmouth. He doesn't say one bad word throughout the play."

Christian Voice was not placated. It has formally lodged a complaint with police, arguing that the American playwright's work was blasphemous. No decision has been taken yet.
 
Originally posted by: isasir
Those wacky Scotland Christian protesters

It's one thing to be insulted and offended by something, but to call police? Give me a f'n break.

LONDON, England (Reuters) -- A group of Christian protesters in Scotland has called on police to prosecute a theater company for blasphemy because it is putting on a play about a gay Jesus.

"If there is a blasphemy like this, Christians have to stand up," said Stephen Green of Christian Voice who protested outside a theatre showing Terence McNally's controversial play "Corpus Christi" at St Andrews University.

"Jesus Christ is being portrayed here as a foul-mouthed, drunken, promiscuous homosexual and that is an insult to my faith," Green told BBC Radio.

But the play's director, Zsuzsi Lyndsay, defended the production: "He is not portrayed as a drunken foulmouth. He doesn't say one bad word throughout the play."

Christian Voice was not placated. It has formally lodged a complaint with police, arguing that the American playwright's work was blasphemous. No decision has been taken yet.

I'd says it about as ridiculous as the ACLU fighting (and winning) to keep the Boy Scouts out of a public park.

 
I don't find it ridiculous. As a Christian, I do find this insulting to my faith. I would also find it offensive if they portrayed buddah as a fat drunken slob.... It doesn't have anything to do with them not believing the way I do, but everything to do with ethics people should and need to portray.
 
Now, I'm no big fan of religion. But as TravisT said, it's somewhat disrespectful to portray him as gay, unless they can prove he was gay that is. Personally, I don't care if he was straight or gay.

Still, I'm inclined to agree with the op on one thing, why call the police? Why not just walk away? Turn the other cheek or something? I mean, if it's blasphemous, shouldn't it be enough for them to know that God will punish those who are doing this when the time comes?
 
If you have faith that Jesus was not homosexual, and have faith that Jesus was not a drunken foulmouth, shouldn't your faith be enough?
 
Originally posted by: JackStorm
Now, I'm no big fan of religion. But as TravisT said, it's somewhat disrespectful to portray him as gay, unless they can prove he was gay that is. Personally, I don't care if he was straight or gay.

Still, I'm inclined to agree with the op on one thing, why call the police? Why not just walk away? Turn the other cheek or something? I mean, if it's blasphemous, shouldn't it be enough for them to know that God will punish those who are doing this when the time comes?

The play sounds like a satire or comedy of some type. Not a serious "Jesus was Gay" play, but something humorous.
 
Originally posted by: JackStorm
Now, I'm no big fan of religion. But as TravisT said, it's somewhat disrespectful to portray him as gay, unless they can prove he was gay that is. Personally, I don't care if he was straight or gay.

Still, I'm inclined to agree with the op on one thing, why call the police? Why not just walk away? Turn the other cheek or something? I mean, if it's blasphemous, shouldn't it be enough for them to know that God will punish those who are doing this when the time comes?

It's very disrespectful and in horrible taste but unless there's laws in Scotland regarding blasphemy, which I doubt, I'm not sure what the point is of calling the police.
 
Who cares. If they have so much belief in their religion then they should know that the people who depicted Jesus as being gay will be punished in the after life.

Religious nuts need to get that holy sand out of their vaginas.
 
Originally posted by: TravisT
I don't find it ridiculous. As a Christian, I do find this insulting to my faith. I would also find it offensive if they portrayed buddah as a fat drunken slob.... It doesn't have anything to do with them not believing the way I do, but everything to do with ethics people should and need to portray.

Yeah, like I said in my post, I can definitely understand if people are offended by this. But to try and get the police involved, as opposed to just ignoring it, is why I found it to be ludicrous.
 
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

The play sounds like a satire or comedy of some type. Not a serious "Jesus was Gay" play, but something humorous.

I got that feeling as well. But just because something was ment to be funny, doesn't mean it wasn't disrespectful at the same time. 😛
 
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
If you have faith that Jesus was not homosexual, and have faith that Jesus was not a drunken foulmouth, shouldn't your faith be enough?

Yeah, the lack of faith some religious people display, amazes me sometime.
 
Originally posted by: JackStorm

I got that feeling as well. But just because something was ment to be funny, doesn't mean it wasn't disrespectful at the same time.

Explain why this is disrespectful.
Is it because it goes against your THEOREY that Jesus is GOD. It is just a theorey and no one has proof
that Jesus was or was not a homosexual. Only belief. So for someone to come out and do a show spouting
that Jesus is a homosexual has as much merit as a show that spouts that Jesus was actually a Tibetan
Monk. Either has the same credibility.

I bet some these people offended by this, have offended other belief systems just by saying theirs is the
one true way. That is just as disrespectful as this show is supposedly to be.
:laugh:
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Maybe he was just erectile disfucntional.

I'll most likely goto hell (Or get flamed to hell) for saying this. But personally, I always thought of him as a masochist. That whole turn the other cheek and walking with your cross on your way to be crucified thing, always made me wonder.

But, who knows, it's quite possible he was erectile disfucntional as well. Guess we'll never know, him being dead and all(Yes, yes, I know he was resurrected, but for some reason I don't see him walking around town now a days. And yes, I know he joined 'the father' in that mystic place no one can get to while alive).
 
Originally posted by: JackStorm
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Maybe he was just erectile disfucntional.

I'll most likely goto hell (Or get flamed to hell) for saying this. But personally, I always thought of him as a masochist. That whole turn the other cheek and walking with your cross on your way to be crucified thing, always made me wonder.

But, who knows, it's quite possible he was erectile disfucntional as well. Guess we'll never know, him being dead and all(Yes, yes, I know he was resurrected, but for some reason I don't see him walking around town now a days. And yes, I know he joined 'the father' in that mystic place no one can get to while alive).

... Gandhi was masochist too
 
Originally posted by: kotss

Explain why this is disrespectful.
Is it because it goes against your THEOREY that Jesus is GOD. It is just a theorey and no one has proof
that Jesus was or was not a homosexual. Only belief. So for someone to come out and do a show spouting
that Jesus is a homosexual has as much merit as a show that spouts that Jesus was actually a Tibetan
Monk. Either has the same credibility.

I bet some these people offended by this, have offended other belief systems just by saying theirs is the
one true way. That is just as disrespectful as this show is supposedly to be.

You must have me confused with a religious person. Because I'm not. Nor do I believe in God. Though I don't discount the POSSIBILITY of him(Or it, whatever) existing.

But you have a point. Why should it thought of as being disrespectful if someone claims you're gay. Not like there's anything wrong with being gay. Still, claiming someone is something other then what they are (Or thought of as being) can be disrespectful, specially if it was ment to be used in that manner. We can never be sure of the reasons behind these peoples play. Fun or otherwise.
 
It's not the first time a storm has brewed over this play:

http://www.imagi-nation.com/moonstruck/clsc72.html

Born in 1939, Terrence McNally would have his first play produced in 1964 at the age of 25. Although several early comedies such as Next (1969) and The Ritz (1975) won McNally quite a bit of praise, it was not until later in his career that he would become truly successful with works such as Frankie and Johnny at the Claire de Lune (1987) for which he wrote the screen adaptation which starred Al Pacino and Michelle Pfeiffer.

In 1990, McNally won an Emmy Award for Best Writing in a Miniseries or Special for Andre's Mother. A year later, he returned to the stage with Lips Together, Teeth Apart (1991), a study of the irrational fears that many people harbor towards homosexuals and victims of AIDS. In the play, two married couples spend the Fourth of July weekend at a summer house on Fire Island. The house has been willed to Sally Truman by her brother who has just died of AIDS, and it soon becomes evident that both couples are afraid to get in the pool, afraid that they will somehow contract AIDS by swimming in the same pool that Sally's brother used to swim in.

With Kiss of the Spider Woman (1992), McNally turned his attentions to the musical stage, collaborating with John Kander (composer) and Fred Ebb (lyricist) on a script which explores the complex relationship between two men caged together in a Latin American prison. Kiss of the Spider Woman won the 1993 Tony Award for "Best Book of a Musical." McNally also collaborated with Kander and Ebb on The Rink. He collaborated with Stephen Flaherty and Lynn Ahrens on Ragtime (1997), a musical adaptation of the novel by E.L. Doctorow, which tells the story of Coalhouse Walker Jr., a fiery black piano man who demands retribution when his Model T is destroyed by a mob of white troublemakers. The play also features such historical figures as Harry Houdini, Booker T. Washington, J.P. Morgan and Henry Ford.

McNally's other plays include Love! Valour! Compassion! (1994) which examines the relationships of eight gay men and Master Class (1995), a character study of legendary opera soprano Maria Callas which won the 1996 Tony Award for "Best Play." McNally also dealt with Callas in The Lisbon Traviata (1989).

In 1997, McNally stirred up a storm of controversy with Corpus Christi (1997), a modern day retelling of the story of Jesus' birth, ministry, and death in which both he and his disciples are homosexuals. In fact, the play was initially cancelled because of death threats against the board members of the Manhattan Theatre Club which was to produce the play. However, several other playwrights such as Tony Kushner threatened to withdraw their plays if "Corpus Christi" was not produced, and the board finally relented. When the play opened, the Theatre was besieged by almost 2000 protesters, furious at what they considered blasphemy. When Corpus Christi opened in London, a British Muslim group called the Defenders of the Messenger Jesus even went so far as to issue a Fatwa or death sentence on McNally.

In addition to four Tony Awards, McNally has received two Guggenheim Fellowships, a Rockefeller Grant, the Lucille Lortel Award, the Hull-Warriner Award, and a citation from the American Academy of Arts and Letters. He has been a member of the Dramatists Guild Council since 1970 and has served as vice-president since 1981. He is considered one of the leading American dramatists still writing today.
 
If God/Jesus is perfect, and man was created in his image, how can we be such imperfect beings? Perfection cannot be tempted, it is perfection. Utter and total perfection cannot become imperfect, nor can it create imperfection. Nor can it be challenged or disagreed with, because, with perfection, comes the lack of disagreement.
If one being disagrees with perfection it is no longer perfection just opinion backed with power. Perfection encompasses anything and everything.





 
To JackStorm:

Sorry about the implication, unfortunately I quoted before your subsequent posts.
I do still stand on my other points but not in a harsh way. I edited my message to add the laughing
emoticon in order to show that although I am serious about my statement I do not mean it in a zealous
manner.
 
Originally posted by: kotss
To JackStorm:

Sorry about the implication, unfortunately I quoted before your subsequent posts.
I do still stand on my other points but not in a harsh way. I edited my message to add the laughing
emoticon in order to show that although I am serious about my statement I do not mean it in a zealous
manner.

Eh, no biggie. I understand where you were comming from. Just wanted to make sure you didn't confuse me with some religious zealot. It's just that as much as I find most religions to be ridiculous. I always try to leave room for the possibility that what they claim MIGHT be true. You never know when something that's thought of as being wrong now (In your eyes), is later proved to be true and vice versa. You should always leave room for that possibility, no matter how absurd the claim might be. After all, don't forget what happend to the guy who started claiming the earth wasn't flat and that the earth wasn't the center of the universe, turned out he was right, but boy, did that get him into trouble. Maybe they should have given his claim some thought. 😛
 
Originally posted by: isasir
Those wacky Scotland Christian protesters

It's one thing to be insulted and offended by something, but to call police? Give me a f'n break.

LONDON, England (Reuters) -- A group of Christian protesters in Scotland has called on police to prosecute a theater company for blasphemy because it is putting on a play about a gay Jesus.

"If there is a blasphemy like this, Christians have to stand up," said Stephen Green of Christian Voice who protested outside a theatre showing Terence McNally's controversial play "Corpus Christi" at St Andrews University.

"Jesus Christ is being portrayed here as a foul-mouthed, drunken, promiscuous homosexual and that is an insult to my faith," Green told BBC Radio.

But the play's director, Zsuzsi Lyndsay, defended the production: "He is not portrayed as a drunken foulmouth. He doesn't say one bad word throughout the play."

Christian Voice was not placated. It has formally lodged a complaint with police, arguing that the American playwright's work was blasphemous. No decision has been taken yet.


Imagine if this had happened in an Arab country, and the play was about a gay Mohammud. The police would have been called, but only to investigate the deaths of the employees of the theatre company.

The goal of making all Christians look bad by certain At'ers is pathetic. There are definitely some people here that could be called bigots.

I for one, am sick and tired of the typical stereotype of the "southern Christian zealot" portrayed here.

The truth is every damn presidential candidate nominated by the DNC is presumably Christian, and Clinton and Gore were from Arkansas and Tennessee, respectively. I'd bet that the majority of people who voted for Kerry are Christian.

If some of the people on the Left want to retain their "Elitism," and their blind hatred of Christians and people of other faiths, they should expect more defeats in our political process. Not only will the DNC not gain any futher support, but they will lose the Christian support they already have.

I for one may be a perfect example. As a Republican, a Christian, and a southerner, I have voted for third party candidates the past two elections. I don't like Bush, and I am sick and tired of the "Elitism," and anti-Christian remarks made by those on the Left. The result? Kerry is now unemployed, and the Chimp is still in office. If you want these results to continue, then fine, keep making idiotic remarks about Christians, and you all call can sit and bitch and moan and cry about Republicans winning elections. It seems to make you all happy.

/rant
 
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