Protecting the country first!

[Viper1j]

But you see I belive you are wrong!
In fact you would have to be a total idiot if you believe that just because Trump says do it! That it will be done!
I would be willing to bet you any amount of money that there are people under Trump who have discussed this very scenario and will disobey that order!
It is way to easy for both of us to express our opinions without proof of what would actually happen!
Let me just say -- I feel better knowing that domebody else besides Comerade Trump has to turn the keys or press the buttons!

Remember earlier, when I said: "I could see this. Donny grabs a gun, puts it to the head of (?) and says "I said read the fucking codes on your fucking card!" ?

But you see I belive you are wrong!
In fact you would have to be a total idiot if you believe that just because Trump says do it! That it will be done!
I would be willing to bet you any amount of money that there are people under Trump who have discussed this very scenario and will disobey that order!
It is way to easy for both of us to express our opinions without proof of what would actually happen!
Let me just say -- I feel better knowing that domebody else besides Comerade Trump has to turn the keys or press the buttons!

And I'm telling you, that you have zero clue of the training that's involved, nor the command structure. There's a reason that EVERY single person in the silos hidden across our country is a commissioned Officer. That job will never be entrusted to an enlisted person. There's a reason, the EWO is a commissioned Officer.

There's the training, and there's the commitment. You have not the slightest clue how tightly the chain of command binds us all. If the order is authentic, we WILL do our job. Whether it's right or wrong, is for others to debate.

This one thing, perhaps more than anything else, stresses the importance of not voting a lunatic into office.

 

[Viper1j]

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[JEDIYoda]

Remember earlier, when I said: "I could see this. Donny grabs a gun, puts it to the head of (?) and says "I said read the fucking codes on your fucking card!" ?



And I'm telling you, that you have zero clue of the training that's involved, nor the command structure. There's a reason that EVERY single person in the silos hidden across our country is a commissioned Officer. That job will never be entrusted to an enlisted person. There's a reason, the EWO is a commissioned Officer.

There's the training, and there's the commitment. You have not the slightest clue how tightly the chain of command binds us all. If the order is authentic, we WILL do our job. Whether it's right or wrong, is for others to debate.

This one thing, perhaps more than anything else, stresses the importance of not voting a lunatic into office.

I am telling you that we both have actually no clue what is involved in that training!
Except for what you read online!
You can never discount the human element!
You really need to understand regardless of the training involved these people in these silos still read the news and still have personal opinions and probably more than we ever know have discussed these various scenarios...

But since you think you know why don`t you tell all of us what kind of training is involved?
Tell us that these people will act without any hesitation knowing that it is Trump giving the order!
Tell us that the joint chiefs of the various armed forces have not behind Trumps back prepared for this sort of scenario!
You can`t and I cannot!
Have a good day!!

 

[Viper1j]

I am telling you that we both have actually no clue what is involved in that training!
Except for what you read online!
You can never discount the human element!
You really need to understand regardless of the training involved these people in these silos still read the news and still have personal opinions and probably more than we ever know have discussed these various scenarios...

But since you think you know why don`t you tell all of us what kind of training is involved?
Tell us that these people will act without any hesitation knowing that it is Trump giving the order!
Tell us that the joint chiefs of the various armed forces have not behind Trumps back prepared for this sort of scenario!
You can`t and I cannot!
Have a good day!!

The training is classified. And I've said more than I should have. And actually, since I lived it, I can speak with some authority on it. And I can say, without violating my oath that I have released weapons under orders that while were not illegal, I disagreed with. And with that I'm done with this particular part of the discussion.

 

[JEDIYoda]

he training is classified. And I've said more than I should have. And actually, since I lived it, I can speak with some authority on it. And I can say, without violating my oath that I have released weapons under orders that while were not illegal, I disagreed with. And with that I'm done with this particular part of the discussion.

umm...okay and I have also said more than I should say...…..
But I will say one thing -- you are funny!
What you don`t understand is that I have worked for the government almost 40 years in the intelligence field, mainly in the middle east and I also have friends in higher places who would tell you the same things I am telling you!!
Should have seen this coming -- at least I can get a laugh while enjoying my coffee!!

 

[Viper1j]

umm...okay and I have also said more than I should say...…..
But I will say one thing -- you are funny!
What you don`t understand is that I have worked for the government almost 40 years in the intelligence field, mainly in the middle east and I also have friends in higher places who would tell you the same things I am telling you!!
Should have seen this coming -- at least I can get a laugh while enjoying my coffee!!

Then you should know better. You will follow orders given to you by a superior officer. That is something that will never be negotiable.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Latest flash from cable news: Trump in no hurry to deal with North Korea.

Every time that Degenerate had appeared on tee-vee with any mention of the DPRK, he had insinuated that he's doingk gurr-eat thingks to "deal with North Korea".

We're at risk just for DPRK's accelerated development of nukes and missiles since Trump took office. There are many scenarios now where some nuclear disaster or mistake could level cities -- in Japan, in South Korea, along the "Left" Coast.

And what was that business with Putin last year, releasing news of their "Satan" missile system, with a graphic showing the MIRVs dropping on Florida? Was that some sort of "message" for Trump -- with his winter White House in Mara Lago? Does the name given to their missile system insinuate Trump's true Anti-Christ identity?

Even an Agnostic or an Atheist could wonder about these things, with some residual cultural superstition acquired from watching too many occult horror movies as a kid. Makes one think of dropping by the local church and saying a few long-overdue prayers.

Suppose there's an accident or miscalculation, and a DPRK nuke levels Seattle, San Francisco or LA? Would Trump say "Oh, well! I guess we'll win the next election!"?

 

[Sgt. York]

If/when the people in the nuclear silos receive orders to turn the keys and push the buttons they only know they were given an order, they do not know if North Korean, Russian or Chines nukes are in the air and rapidly approaching. The order does not give an explanation of why the order was issued.

Is their first thought going to be that Trump gave the order and therefore they are not going to obey, or are they going to consider there may be a real need to push the buttons?

 

[Muse]

I suppose (?) the nuclear codes are a feature that guarantees a nuclear attack doesn't happen without approval of the Pres. They very likely don't guarantee that a nuclear attack can occur on his whim/say-so alone. It's an interesting (understatement) question and one I'm sure has been given a lot of thought. However, I don't remember seeing it discussed. But of course it's been discussed. It's one of those unspoken mysteries, one of paramount fundamental importance in the modern era, obviously. Terry Southern tackled it, took it on, made hay out of it, got a lot of laughs, I think he defused a lot of anxiety, but I don't think the questions were answered there. Not AFAIK.

 

[Viper1j]

It's not necessarily The President. If the prez is out of the loop weapons can still be released by the Veep or two cabinet members under the two men rule. The Sec.s of Defense and Agriculture could conceivably start WWIII if everyone else was down.

 

[brycejones]

I was going to suggest the boring stupidity section, then noticed where we are.

Lighten up Francis.