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ProPublica obtains documents that show POTUS still benefiting from business assets

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Probably not news for anyone here, as I'm pretty sure the Left-leaning folks here see no surprise in that everything Donald does is for his benefit, and the Right-leaning folks here just don't give a shit (not our business to know or care) but for the sake of actual facts, I thought I should share that there is no "blind trust" nor will there be. I'm pretty sure the people Donald is installing at the Justice Dept and SCOTUS are folks that won't pursue anything related to the Emoluments Clause, and his EOs against Dodd-Frank are also for his financial benefit and that if his friends.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...8fdd5a-eae0-11e6-bf6f-301b6b443624_story.html
 
I for one am shocked that wikileaks did not release this information. They have done much to date to hold the incoming admin accountable.

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But... But. He had all those folders of paper he showed off. Mountains of them that proved otherwise.

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I mean sure no one was allowed to look at them and those who snuck a glance said they were all blank pages but still. He told us he severed his ties.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...nk-fake-handover-donald-jr-eric-a7523426.html
 
I think the pro-Trump crowd equates people bitching about the Emoluments Clause as the exact same thing as people bitching about Obama's birth certificate. Nobody on the other side of the argument will give any ground to those pursuing it, as the mere thought of being wrong would completely invalidate their support. But we should note the difference here...There was never any concrete evidence that Obama wasn't a natural born citizen, but we have plenty of evidence to argue Trump's violation of the Emoluments Clause.
 
The two main complaints seem to be that:

1. Trump benefits from the assets in the trust. Yeah, OK? But that's how it is even in the simple situation where the official puts his stock in the blind trust. If the stock goes up or issues dividends it still belongs to the official. So, yeah they benefit from the money made from assets in the blind trust.

2. Trump legally retains the assets in the trust. Ummm, that's how it's always been. Has someone confused a blind trust thinking that assets in it are longer those of the grantor (official)? That they donated them away?

The real objective of a blind trust is that the official, and others, don't know what his/her money is invested in. Of course the official will personally benefit if the trustee invests the assets well. And no, the official doesn't 'lose' the assets, merely gives up control and 'knowledge'.

This (Trump's) will not be a blind trust and cannot be because existing laws make that impossible.

If the blind trust sells stock the fact it was sold remains unknown. The sale is not public knowledge. It is not required under law to be public information. It cannot be found out by others.

You sell a building it is required by law to be entered into public records at the courthouse. The sale cannot be kept secret. If a sale were to happen it would be immediately picked up and broadcast in every business publication and on every cable news channel. It will be widely publicized instantly. Completely the opposite with stock.

When stock is sold no one knows who bought it. E.g., no one can claim I bought the President's Apple stock. Stock is fungible. Apple stock sales from people all over the world go into one big 'pot'. Purchases by people all over the world come out of that 'pot'. No one knows whose stock they purchased. Somebody buys Trump's building(s) it is recorded in the public records and everyone can see who purchased that property.

If some low level diplomat claiming to have spent the night in one of Trump's thousands of hotel rooms gets your panties in a bunch wait until a rich Saudi or Russian buys one Trumps buildings and brags about it.

The situation is what it is. If you don't like you shouldn't have voted for Trump.

And this whole issue should have been raised a year ago (if not prior). It's simply too damn late now. Forcing the sale of Trump's assets now causes the exact kind of conflict of interest problems you people claim to be so worried about.

Fern
 
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I think the pro-Trump crowd equates people bitching about the Emoluments Clause as the exact same thing as people bitching about Obama's birth certificate. Nobody on the other side of the argument will give any ground to those pursuing it, as the mere thought of being wrong would completely invalidate their support. But we should note the difference here...There was never any concrete evidence that Obama wasn't a natural born citizen, but we have plenty of evidence to argue Trump's violation of the Emoluments Clause.

Those two things haven't gotten a damn thing in common.

Fern
 
The two main complaints seem to be that:

1. Trump benefits from the assets in the trust. Yeah, OK? But that's how it is even in the simple situation where the official puts his stock in the blind trust. If the stock goes up or issues dividends it still belongs to the official. So, yeah they benefit from the money made from assets in the blind trust.

2. Trump legally retains the assets in the trust. Ummm, that's how it's always been. Has someone confused a blind trust thinking that assets in it are longer those of the grantor (official)? That they donated them away?

The real objective of a blind trust is that the official, and others, don't know what his/her money is invested in. Of course the official will personally benefit if the trustee invests the assets well. And no, the official doesn't 'lose' the assets, merely gives up control and 'knowledge'.

This (Trump's) will not be a blind trust and cannot be because existing laws make that impossible.

If the blind trust sells stock the fact it was sold remains unknown. The sale is not public knowledge. It is not required under law to be public information. It cannot be found out by others.

You sell a building it is required by law to be entered into public records at the courthouse. The sale cannot be kept secret. If a sale were to happen it would be immediately picked up and broadcast in every business publication and on every cable news channel. It will be widely publicized instantly. Completely the opposite with stock.

When stock is sold no one knows who bought it. E.g., no one can claim I bought the President's Apple stock. Stock is fungible. Apple stock sales from people all over the world go into one big 'pot'. Purchases by people all over the world come out of that 'pot'. No one knows whose stock they purchased. Somebody buys Trump's building(s) it is recorded in the public records and everyone can see who purchased that property.

If some low level diplomat claiming to have spent the night in one of Trump's thousands of hotel rooms gets your panties in a bunch wait until a rich Saudi or Russian buys one Trumps buildings and brags about it.

The situation is what it is. If you don't like you shouldn't have voted for Trump.

And this whole issue should have been raised a year ago (if not prior). It's simply too damn late now. Forcing the sale of Trump's assets now causes the exact kind of conflict of interest problems you people claim to be so worried about.

Fern
This issue was raised a year ago. Conservatives didn't care and still don't. They'd rather have an openly corrupt GOP President rather than Hillary because their uncle told them Hillary sent classified documents through a private server and GS paid her to do some speeches so obviously corruption much worse than Trump.
 
I think the pro-Trump crowd equates people bitching about the Emoluments Clause as the exact same thing as people bitching about Obama's birth certificate. Nobody on the other side of the argument will give any ground to those pursuing it, as the mere thought of being wrong would completely invalidate their support. But we should note the difference here...There was never any concrete evidence that Obama wasn't a natural born citizen, but we have plenty of evidence to argue Trump's violation of the Emoluments Clause.
You should probably STFU because both sides the same.
 
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