Proposal for first line medical care

[Deleted member 4644]

It seems that doctors and the AMA have a strangle hold on our country right now. Everyone talks sh!t about lawyers, but what about doctors who get paid 500,000 a year and have a total monopoly?

What about the fact that it takes me 30 days to get an appointment to see someone unless I go to an ER.

How much money would our society save if people went to doctors more often for consultations and preventive care?

What if nurses could open practices where they could treat things like the flu or minor injuries?

 

[Willoughbyva]

There is such a thing as a nurse practitioner. I think there needs to be universal health care in the U.S.


Perry

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: LordSegan
It seems that doctors and the AMA have a strangle hold on our country right now. Everyone talks sh!t about lawyers, but what about doctors who get paid 500,000 a year and have a total monopoly?

What about the fact that it takes me 30 days to get an appointment to see someone unless I go to an ER.

How much money would our society save if people went to doctors more often for consultations and preventive care?

What if nurses could open practices where they could treat things like the flu or minor injuries?

there does seem to be an increase in Physicians assistants and walk in type clinics around these parts.

On another note I wouldn't mind the 30 days and high prices if I could get more then "ahhh your just getting older" standard 100.00 + office consultation🙂

 

[zendari]

Beurocracy and government has crowded out the healthcare system and turned it away from the free market.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: zendari
Beurocracy and government has crowded out the healthcare system and turned it away from the free market.

Ha ha.
It's the free market limiting product so they can charge more.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: zendari
Beurocracy and government has crowded out the healthcare system and turned it away from the free market.

Ha ha.
It's the free market limiting product so they can charge more.

He is the perfect Republican parrot.

Everything he spews is the exact opposite just like the names of the Laws the Republicans have been putting in place since 2001 for the Corporate Whore system now killing the U.S.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: LordSegan
What about the fact that it takes me 30 days to get an appointment to see someone unless I go to an ER.

and they use the excuse of everyone going to the ER as the reason for prices being so high.

Convenient isn't it?

 

[theeedude]

Do people go to the doctor for the flu? I mean you know you are going to get Robitussin, Tylenol, a bill for $200, and a nice FOAD 😀
You can get that at Target right away.

 

[ScudRunner]

I don't go to the doctor, don't need too!

 

[alchemize]

What doctor has a "total monopoly"? Go get a medical degree and charge less.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: alchemize
What doctor has a "total monopoly"? Go get a medical degree and charge less.

Come on now, alchemize, you work in insurance. You should know that a doctor gets paid what the insurance company wants to pay him.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: zendari
Beurocracy and government has crowded out the healthcare system and turned it away from the free market.

Ha ha.
It's the free market limiting product so they can charge more.

Nonsense. The limitation of doctors is due to the American public treating them as inferiors and subservent and frivolous lawsuits.

 

[Slew Foot]

Originally posted by: LordSegan
It seems that doctors and the AMA have a strangle hold on our country right now. Everyone talks sh!t about lawyers, but what about doctors who get paid 500,000 a year and have a total monopoly?

Average physician salary in the US is about 130K. That's LESS than it was 10 years ago when no one was complaing about heath care costs. Hmmmmmmm.......

On the other hand, fees for drugs, medical equitpment, and ancillary medical staff (nurses, physical therapists, pharmacists, techs, etc....) have gone up every year.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: zendari
Beurocracy and government has crowded out the healthcare system and turned it away from the free market.

Ha ha.
It's the free market limiting product so they can charge more.

Nonsense. The limitation of doctors is due to the American public treating them as inferiors and subservent and frivolous lawsuits.

Originally posted by: Slew Foot

Originally posted by: LordSegan
It seems that doctors and the AMA have a strangle hold on our country right now. Everyone talks sh!t about lawyers, but what about doctors who get paid 500,000 a year and have a total monopoly?

Average physician salary in the US is about 130K. That's LESS than it was 10 years ago when no one was complaing about heath care costs. Hmmmmmmm.......

The load of crap in this thread is super deep.

What Dr do you know only making 130K??? 😕

How does the American Sheeple treat a Dr???

I know where all the drugs are going, the P&N peanut gallery consuming them.

 

[Slew Foot]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: zendari

Average physician salary in the US is about 130K. That's LESS than it was 10 years ago when no one was complaing about heath care costs. Hmmmmmmm.......

The load of crap in this thread is super deep.

What Dr do you know only making 130K??? 😕

Most of the ones at my hospital.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Do people go to the doctor for the flu? I mean you know you are going to get Robitussin, Tylenol, a bill for $200, and a nice FOAD 😀
You can get that at Target right away.

You know why there are no K-Marts in Iraq?
Becuase they are all TARGETS!! lol

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: zendari
Beurocracy and government has crowded out the healthcare system and turned it away from the free market.

Ha ha.
It's the free market limiting product so they can charge more.

Nonsense. The limitation of doctors is due to the American public treating them as inferiors and subservent and frivolous lawsuits.

You are just making things up, aren't you? You have no idea why, so you put down a reason that fits your ideology.
Here are some well documented facts.
There are many people wanting to be doctors and there is a limit on slots at medical schools. Every year thousands and thousands of applicants are turned down with nearly identicle academic credentials than those that get in. Why aren't more medical schools started? Medical schools actually need government funds to survive. And the AMA pushes to limit the number medical schools(acting in their best interests in a free market) and therefore the number of doctors trained. They also limit medical schools since they control the accreditation of the schools and schools can't open unless they are accredited.
And fyi the money that is used to help run medical schools is CUT by Republicans and added to by Democrats.
Look it up.

 

[Moonbeam]

Competition is hostility and people spend money on their rage. The fear of death by sickness drives people to seek help. Where there is desparate need there is opportunity for the competative who will kill each other for the dollar those in need will pay. As all sides in the struggle seek to maximize their own personal gains the costs will endlessly inflate. We will all get less and less for more and everybody will try to play every angle in the system.

Our human instincts are to care for each other. We are by nature socialistic in our attitudes here. Empathy drives us to help others in need. A competative drive and the need for one just to survive destroys empathy and compassion. The answer, therefore, in my opinion, is to socialize medicine.

Imagine a system where hospitals and medical centers are like monasteries and universities where people interested in a medical profession can acquire free education and are paid a modest wage but can live in beautiful and comfortable surroundings for life and where the study and research of medicine goes on for all of that life. Imagine a place where the compassionate can congregate for the betterment of all with lifetime security and the endless pursuit of knowledge guaranteed. Imagine a place where the best and deepest knowledge about the meaning of life and health was offered free to you except as a part of your tax obligation. Imagine a place where the joy of service to humanity and the satisfaction of ones intellectual curiosity in biology chemistry and medicine were ones motivation and reward and not a desire for money. Imagine going to a doctor you know is in practice for your welfare.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: alchemize
What doctor has a "total monopoly"? Go get a medical degree and charge less.

Come on now, alchemize, you work in insurance. You should know that a doctor gets paid what the insurance company wants to pay him.

They do? Boy that's a crappy monopoly isn't it - where your "vendors" determine what you are paid? WWWMD? (What Would Wal-Mart Do?)

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Slew Foot

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: zendari

Average physician salary in the US is about 130K. That's LESS than it was 10 years ago when no one was complaing about heath care costs. Hmmmmmmm.......

The load of crap in this thread is super deep.

What Dr do you know only making 130K??? 😕

Most of the ones at my hospital.

Where are you India???

 

[purepolly]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Competition is hostility and people spend money on their rage. The fear of death by sickness drives people to seek help. Where there is desparate need there is opportunity for the competative who will kill each other for the dollar those in need will pay. As all sides in the struggle seek to maximize their own personal gains the costs will endlessly inflate. We will all get less and less for more and everybody will try to play every angle in the system.

Our human instincts are to care for each other. We are by nature socialistic in our attitudes here. Empathy drives us to help others in need. A competative drive and the need for one just to survive destroys empathy and compassion. The answer, therefore, in my opinion, is to socialize medicine.

Imagine a system where hospitals and medical centers are like monasteries and universities where people interested in a medical profession can acquire free education and are paid a modest wage but can live in beautiful and comfortable surroundings for life and where the study and research of medicine goes on for all of that life. Imagine a place where the compassionate can congregate for the betterment of all with lifetime security and the endless pursuit of knowledge guaranteed. Imagine a place where the best and deepest knowledge about the meaning of life and health was offered free to you except as a part of your tax obligation. Imagine a place where the joy of service to humanity and the satisfaction of ones intellectual curiosity in biology chemistry and medicine were ones motivation and reward and not a desire for money. Imagine going to a doctor you know is in practice for your welfare.

What the hell are you sniffing? Let's snap back to reality and leave the ideal world behind. There is a reason there is a shortage of most medical professionals. The jobs are for a large part tough, stressful and grossly underpaid.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: purepolly

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Competition is hostility and people spend money on their rage. The fear of death by sickness drives people to seek help. Where there is desparate need there is opportunity for the competative who will kill each other for the dollar those in need will pay. As all sides in the struggle seek to maximize their own personal gains the costs will endlessly inflate. We will all get less and less for more and everybody will try to play every angle in the system.

Our human instincts are to care for each other. We are by nature socialistic in our attitudes here. Empathy drives us to help others in need. A competative drive and the need for one just to survive destroys empathy and compassion. The answer, therefore, in my opinion, is to socialize medicine.

Imagine a system where hospitals and medical centers are like monasteries and universities where people interested in a medical profession can acquire free education and are paid a modest wage but can live in beautiful and comfortable surroundings for life and where the study and research of medicine goes on for all of that life. Imagine a place where the compassionate can congregate for the betterment of all with lifetime security and the endless pursuit of knowledge guaranteed. Imagine a place where the best and deepest knowledge about the meaning of life and health was offered free to you except as a part of your tax obligation. Imagine a place where the joy of service to humanity and the satisfaction of ones intellectual curiosity in biology chemistry and medicine were ones motivation and reward and not a desire for money. Imagine going to a doctor you know is in practice for your welfare.

What the hell are you sniffing? Let's snap back to reality and leave the ideal world behind. There is a reason there is a shortage of most medical professionals. The jobs are for a large part tough, stressful and grossly underpaid.

And the reason for that is a lack of imagination, the deeper reality you do not see for lack of imagination.

He who builds a prison with locked doors also makes a key.

 

[piasabird]

Doctors done earn 500,000 they probably pay an awful lot of that back in Malpractice Insurance. Some doctors move because they cant pay their malpractice insurance.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: purepolly
What the hell are you sniffing? Let's snap back to reality and leave the ideal world behind. There is a reason there is a shortage of most medical professionals. The jobs are for a large part tough, stressful and grossly underpaid.

Is there really a SHORTAGE because its hard and underpaid?!?! Whooooa guys hold on. I'm in college right now and it was that time for MCATs around here. A lot of people I knew were studying like mad for that...and this is just here. People are studying to be doctors EVERYWHERE. And MANY want to be a doctor not just because of the pay.
Actually that would be a lie 😉 but its the pay in combonation of MANY other factors that I know they want to do it.

There is no way there is a shortage. They all study like crazy and a few are confident they will do it and don't think twice, and then others are worried about it and studying MCATs as their "Relaxation from school". There are even a huge group of people who are so insistent on being doctors they will go to a carribean school and then transfer back (that is looked down upon, but some REALLY want to be ones) and all of them are the upper groups of students. Everyone else without bad grades dropped LOOONG ago. By this stage only those who want to do it are still in it and they are 1/10th the original pool but it is still a VERY LARGE POOL.

And the funny part is that within them some want the "Easy" way out and be something that isn't difficult...and some want the HARD jobs. I knew a few who WANT neurosurgeory or Cardiovacular surgeory (actually from what I learned before they cut open anything they should be taking bio mechanics 😉). I know a couple will not succeed because of a lack of atlent but because an inability to get in...


I don't have a great opnion on this debate and I have no idea... being a doctor is a long hard process , but for you to say that it is because people shy away from the difficulty isn't true: the difficulty is trying to get into Med School which itself is a very tough process...that is clear enough.

 

[purepolly]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: purepolly
What the hell are you sniffing? Let's snap back to reality and leave the ideal world behind. There is a reason there is a shortage of most medical professionals. The jobs are for a large part tough, stressful and grossly underpaid.

Is there really a SHORTAGE because its hard and underpaid?!?! Whooooa guys hold on. I'm in college right now and it was that time for MCATs around here. A lot of people I knew were studying like mad for that...and this is just here. People are studying to be doctors EVERYWHERE. And MANY want to be a doctor not just because of the pay.
Actually that would be a lie 😉 but its the pay in combonation of MANY other factors that I know they want to do it.

There is no way there is a shortage. They all study like crazy and a few are confident they will do it and don't think twice, and then others are worried about it and studying MCATs as their "Relaxation from school". There are even a huge group of people who are so insistent on being doctors they will go to a carribean school and then transfer back (that is looked down upon, but some REALLY want to be ones) and all of them are the upper groups of students. Everyone else without bad grades dropped LOOONG ago. By this stage only those who want to do it are still in it and they are 1/10th the original pool but it is still a VERY LARGE POOL.

And the funny part is that within them some want the "Easy" way out and be something that isn't difficult...and some want the HARD jobs. I knew a few who WANT neurosurgeory or Cardiovacular surgeory (actually from what I learned before they cut open anything they should be taking bio mechanics 😉). I know a couple will not succeed because of a lack of atlent but because an inability to get in...


I don't have a great opnion on this debate and I have no idea... being a doctor is a long hard process , but for you to say that it is because people shy away from the difficulty isn't true: the difficulty is trying to get into Med School which itself is a very tough process...that is clear enough.

I stated, "medical professionals," nowhere did I specify doctors. While your statements about medical students may valid from a collegiate perspective that doesn't necessarily hold true in the medical workplace, or for all medical professionals.

Speaking as a nurse, there is a very real nursing shortage. Check the headlines - it's common knowledge. Grossly underpaid - definately, landscapers, housekeepers, and waitresses working under the table commonly can get paid more a shift where I live - Boston area. Hard work, absolutely, I'm running nonstop for 8 hours a shift with barely a bathroom break AND if I'm lucky the next shift has the minimum complement of nusring licenses required so I can leave on-time OTHERWISE I'm mandated to work another 8 hours straight.

BTW On my shift alone we are looking for 2 FT RN's and an LPN to staff a full complement (that means we are currently short staffed = minimal vacation and days off for current nurses) if you are interested come and apply 🙂