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Propaganda. Which film was arguably the first propaganda film?

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Buddhist

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Which film do you think was arguably the first propaganda film? Also, which film do you think was perhaps the most effective propaganda film? Do you think propoganda works?

I'd have to say the first propaganda film was D.W Griffiths "Birth of a Nation" and the most effective would have to be Leni Riefenstahls "Triumph of the Will"

Personally i think Riefenstahls method of propaganda works. In other words, only subtle methods of propaganda work while the blatantly obvious propaganda films only deter from being influenced..

Anyone else got any opinions?

-M.T.O
 
Sorry, I don't know what you class as propaganda films. Could you give us some hints? When were those films that you mentioned made? I've never heard of them.
 
"Those choices are totally wrong."
Care to share something more then just "wrong."?
For example your opinions as to which are correct and why?
-M.T.O
 
The 1936 B&amp;W Anti-Marihuana (<--that's how it was spelled at the time) film &quot;Reefer-Madness&quot; where weed makes you want to rape and murder.
Tt
 
Reefer Madness was a fun one,wasn't it? How about FREAKS, or ANDALUSIAN DOG?
But for true, down home, no holds barred, mind numbing propaganda, how about any Democratic television commercial?
 
if anything, your question is phrased too broadly. before 'birth of a nation' any film
on any subject was employed as propaganda for the new medium of film making. film production
was a growing commercial enterprise that needed markets, local and international, to
sell this newfangled entertainment. i remember a documentary showing leo tolstoy sitting
for a short film that was part of an early marketing campaign. he predicted that film
had not future and would die a quick death 🙂
 
and for an excellent propaganda film, though far from the first, would be the
'all quiet on the western front' (1930). its the greatest anti-war film ever
made - better than platoon, imho.

there were also regular mental hygiene films shown to teenagers during the
golden eisenhower and kennedy years with such titles as 'the story of menstruation',
'boys beware', a few 'female enlightening' films, and many others. there were corny
educational films that subliminally enforced the status quo. they preached conformity,
etiquette, and a number of other ferocious 'values' 😀
 
Buddhist, You wanted what was 'arguably the first', so I wanted to argue just to make sure you got your wish. I did so, naturally, because using arguably and other related adverbial construdtions is arguably one of the most anoying trends in speach today. What the heck is wrong with saying, &quot;What was the first propaganda film?&quot;
 
Moonbeam, and it begins again.
Lo and behold, a wolf hides in a sheeps costume.

Moonbeam, substitute sometimes for what apparently seems to be constantly.

You sir are a constant ass.

Please remove yourself from trolling in my thread with childish condescending comments of utter arrogance with regards to an individuals verbatim, as it contributes so little as well as exposes how petty you can be.

-M.T.O


 
&quot;if anything, your question is phrased too broadly. before 'birth of a nation' any film on any subject was employed as propaganda for the new medium of film making. film production was a growing commercial enterprise that needed markets, local and international, to sell this newfangled entertainment. i remember a documentary showing leo tolstoy sitting for a short film that was part of an early marketing campaign. he predicted that film had not future and would die a quick death&quot;

I guess i never thought of it that way...but the particular cinematography known as propaganda was something that was initially most pioneered by riefenstahl wouldn't you say?

 
Arguably, the &quot;best&quot;, not to mention infamous, propoganda film ever made was a short, and it was so effective (yet repulsive at the same time) that it was only shown once....

That would be the TV advertisement during the '64 Presidential campaign, &quot;Peace, little girl&quot; which deemed voting for GOP candidate Barry Goldwater the same as dropping a nuclear bomb on a little girl picking daisies.
 
&quot;The that would be the TV advertisement during the '64 Presidential campaign, &quot;Peace, little girl&quot; which deemed voting for GOP candidate Barry Goldwater the same as dropping a nuclear bomb on a little girl picking daisies.&quot;

I have heard and saw that commercial once on tv when they were running one of those &quot;best commercials&quot; thing. Disturbing!
 
pulse, your probably refering to &quot;triumph of the will&quot; and &quot;olympiad&quot; both directed by leni riefenstahl.
She also did a couple short films.

-M.T.O
 
&quot;Moonbeam, substitute sometimes for what apparently seems to be constantly.

You sir are a constant ass.&quot;

You mean I'm a sometimes ass?

You might want to spend some time watching comedy.

You could use a little work on perspective too, since arguably, you seem to think yours is the only one that matters.

Here's your answer, which aparently can't be argued with since it's a matter of history:

&quot;In 1898, The first propaganda film was made and named 'Tearing Down the Spanish Flag.' It was created during the Spanish American War. The event that started the war was the explosion of the Battleship Maine. The explosion was recreated by Melies in 'Viste Sous-marin du Maine', where a divers pull a sailor out of a hole in the sunken ship.&quot;


 


<< 'Tearing Down the Spanish Flag' - 1898 >>



hey, you probably found the first. congrats. i knew there something
much earlier than 'birth of a nation'. this is also earlier than the
viewing tolstoy recieved, which probably took place in the early
1900's, like around 1905.
 
I'm with Crabo...Reefer Madness was total propaganda, as I don't ever remember jumping out of a window naked after I took a hit of mother nature's finest smoke...then again, like Slick Willie, I never inhaled🙂
 
Actually moonbeam, contrary to what you seem to believe, i do have quite an extensive sense of humor.

Its just your habitual and ubiquitous acts of sarcastic grunts to take cheap shots at peoples verbatim that disgusts me.

Your a troll in disguise.

-M.T.O

 
most of the eraly german fils actually were horror type films often dealing with an evil &quot;doppleganger&quot; or other half. The history of German film was the best and most informative class I ever took. Realy twisted stuff that was a good indicator of the psych of the people over the years.
 
My attempt to reach out to you and have some fun seems to have failed. For that I am very sorry.

I have to agree, you're quite a commedian.

&quot;your habitual and ubiquitous acts of sarcastic grunts to take cheap shots at peoples verbatim that disgusts me.&quot;

Could you please consider the possibility that your observations are dilusional, the figment of an overwrought sensitivity and masked sense of inferiority and that any disgust you experience is self generated and about yourself.

As far as trolling goes, I would say that those who invent daggers out of the air, plunge them into their heart, and attack the supposed offender with great manufactured indignity are themselves a kind of troll, a silly troll.

I will however give you a wide birth in the future since you reveal yourself to be very immature.

Only what you see is true.

 
Along with some already mentioned, Leni Riefenstahl's &quot;Olympiad.&quot; (opps, already mentioned).

Hmm, maybe some of those Charlie Champlin movies could be seen as propaganda. The first propaganda films I was exposed to would probably be those anti-drug ones. I know drugs are bad, but some of the &quot;reactions&quot; those kids have because of taking something for the first time seems kind of incredulous.
 
>Your a troll in disguise.<


...I would trade-in a few of those $2 words you used in your post for &quot;you're,&quot; sir. 🙂
 
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