Proof that Ron Paul is being silenced!!!

[bamacre]

JEDIYoda, your last statement just proves you don't know much about Paul's support. It is probably the most diverse support of any other candidate. In fact, as has been stated many times and ignored just as many, more active-duty military donate money to Paul than any other candidate. Then you also have the Veterans for Ron Paul group as well. There's everything under the hood really, from strippers to Catholics, even some support from Democrats and certainly Independents.

I hate to tell you guys, but his message and his name recognition is spreading. As we type on message boards, there are literally thousands of people out there meeting with people, giving out some literature. And while I am sure other candidates are doing something similar, the truth is his message is doing a better job of sticking. People really like what they see. And the numbers are showing this. It is slow, but it is very consistent. And his numbers have gone nowhere but up.

 

[TheNewbie]

I seriously don't know who de fuck is that Ron Paul guy, I've heard jack about him other than on this forum. So what's the issue here? Some no name candidate and how he could've been great/terrible? Who gives a fuck...

 

[compuwiz1]

It will be interesting to see how the Ron who zealots behave at the Republican National Convention for 2008. I predict chaos, ala Cindy Sheehan x 1000's. (Another turned rabid, raging loon.)

There is a tick in the mind that overcomes some people, almost like those who continue to believe that the world was going to somehow end on a particular day and time. Of course they've been wrong time after time. But....try and tell any of them that they are wrong and they drift into a torrent of fanatical, deluional nonsense. Their CPU's have a short and their hard drives have gone rogue and are writing bad data. :shocked:

 

[TheNewbie]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
It will be interesting to see how the Ron who zealots behave at the Republican National Convention for 2008. I predict chaos, ala Cindy Sheehan x 1000's. (Another turned rabid, raging loon.)

There is a tick in the mind that overcomes some people, almost like those who continue to believe that the world was going to somehow end on a particular day and time. Of course they've been wrong time after time. But....try and tell any of them that they are wrong and they drift into a torrent of fanatical, deluional nonsense. Their CPU's have a short and their hard drives have gone rogue and are writing bad data. :shocked:

Very well articulated :thumbsup:
I liked the comparison.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: TheNewbie
I seriously don't know who de fuck is that Ron Paul guy, I've heard jack about him other than on this forum. So what's the issue here? Some no name candidate and how he could've been great/terrible? Who gives a fuck...

Good Introduction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCM_wQy4YVg

Foreign Policy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur4hKqTikqM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUYDt7kC3Z0

Illegal Immigration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4c9S9meOng

Health Care
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjuEdJ0DAGc

Patriot Act (from 2003)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7qvpS5zbqA

Paul Youtube Homepage
http://www.youtube.com/user/RonPaul2008dotcom

 

[compuwiz1]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: TheNewbie
I seriously don't know who de fuck is that Ron Paul guy, I've heard jack about him other than on this forum. So what's the issue here? Some no name candidate and how he could've been great/terrible? Who gives a fuck...

Good Introduction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCM_wQy4YVg

Foreign Policy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur4hKqTikqM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUYDt7kC3Z0

Illegal Immigration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4c9S9meOng

Health Care
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjuEdJ0DAGc

Patriot Act (from 2003)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7qvpS5zbqA

Paul Youtube Homepage
http://www.youtube.com/user/RonPaul2008dotcom

So, bottom line, another shit salesman with a mouth full of samples? 😉

 

[TheNewbie]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: TheNewbie
I seriously don't know who de fuck is that Ron Paul guy, I've heard jack about him other than on this forum. So what's the issue here? Some no name candidate and how he could've been great/terrible? Who gives a fuck...

Good Introduction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCM_wQy4YVg

Foreign Policy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur4hKqTikqM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUYDt7kC3Z0

Illegal Immigration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4c9S9meOng

Health Care
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjuEdJ0DAGc

Patriot Act (from 2003)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7qvpS5zbqA

Paul Youtube Homepage
http://www.youtube.com/user/RonPaul2008dotcom

I think you've missed my point about the guy being irrelevant. So why exactly do you want me to bother getting familiar with his goals?

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
It will be interesting to see how the Ron who zealots behave at the Republican National Convention for 2008. I predict chaos, ala Cindy Sheehan x 1000's. (Another turned rabid, raging loon.)

There is a tick in the mind that overcomes some people, almost like those who continue to believe that the world was going to somehow end on a particular day and time. Of course they've been wrong time after time. But....try and tell any of them that they are wrong and they drift into a torrent of fanatical, deluional nonsense. Their CPU's have a short and their hard drives have gone rogue and are writing bad data. :shocked:

I don't think there is anything wrong with strongly supporting a candidate even though their current numbers are low. People just think that he's worth trying for, that he is worth working for. Is the goal too high? Maybe. But that doesn't mean people should just give up when faced with low odds. The odds weren't exactly stacked in our favor when this country was being put together and I'm sure many people told Gandhi he was crazy, too.

It is not a surprise, well, it shouldn't be. A lot of people want change in this country, and it's not every 4 years that the people get offered that. There's a lot people who are very upset over the Iraq war and the Patriot Act. And they don't like this foreign policy. But they also don't want a further increase in the size of the government and the increased spending and increased taxing that come with it, so the Democrats are no answer either.

 

[compuwiz1]

Originally posted by: TheNewbie

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: TheNewbie
I seriously don't know who de fuck is that Ron Paul guy, I've heard jack about him other than on this forum. So what's the issue here? Some no name candidate and how he could've been great/terrible? Who gives a fuck...

Good Introduction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCM_wQy4YVg

Foreign Policy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur4hKqTikqM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUYDt7kC3Z0

Illegal Immigration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4c9S9meOng

Health Care
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjuEdJ0DAGc

Patriot Act (from 2003)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7qvpS5zbqA

Paul Youtube Homepage
http://www.youtube.com/user/RonPaul2008dotcom

I think you've missed my point about the guy being irrelevant. So why exactly do you want me to bother getting familiar with his goals?

Because some people enjoy mental masturbation. :laugh:

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
So, bottom line, another shit salesman with a mouth full of samples? 😉

Well, one might think so. Like the old saying goes, "if it sounds too good to be true." 😀

But when people learn about his past, his voting record, and personal life, they see some real hope in him. Plus, he has a very humble personality, a good sense of humor, and he's an honest and very intelligent guy.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: TheNewbie
I think you've missed my point about the guy being irrelevant. So why exactly do you want me to bother getting familiar with his goals?

Hey, you can do whatever you want. It's a free country. As of now at least. 😀

 

[compuwiz1]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
So, bottom line, another shit salesman with a mouth full of samples? 😉

Well, one might think so. Like the old saying goes, "if it sounds too good to be true." 😀

But when people learn about his past, his voting record, and personal life, they see some real hope in him. Plus, he has a very humble personality, a good sense of humor, and he's an honest and very intelligent guy.

But...his views and goals are too unrealistic and he would not get 90% of them thru congress, but ok, 10% change is better than no change, I'll give ya that. The country is ready for change, but I for one, do not trust hardly anyone in government these days and trust even fewer politician running for office.

bamacre, I must commend you on keeping things civil. You seem to keep a level head and have well thought out posts, lacking any hostility towards other members. 🙂

Still, however, it's fun to mess with the RP camp. 😉

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: bamacre
JEDIYoda, your last statement just proves you don't know much about Paul's support. It is probably the most diverse support of any other candidate. In fact, as has been stated many times and ignored just as many, more active-duty military donate money to Paul than any other candidate. Then you also have the Veterans for Ron Paul group as well. There's everything under the hood really, from strippers to Catholics, even some support from Democrats and certainly Independents.

I hate to tell you guys, but his message and his name recognition is spreading. As we type on message boards, there are literally thousands of people out there meeting with people, giving out some literature. And while I am sure other candidates are doing something similar, the truth is his message is doing a better job of sticking. People really like what they see. And the numbers are showing this. It is slow, but it is very consistent. And his numbers have gone nowhere but up.

Just because you have diverse support does not make you a viable presidential candidate!!
Plusa those who support Ron whats his name need to be old enough to vote!!

Peace!!

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
So, bottom line, another shit salesman with a mouth full of samples? 😉

Well, one might think so. Like the old saying goes, "if it sounds too good to be true." 😀

But when people learn about his past, his voting record, and personal life, they see some real hope in him. Plus, he has a very humble personality, a good sense of humor, and he's an honest and very intelligent guy.

But...his views and goals are too unrealistic and he would not get 90% of them thru congress, but ok, 10% change is better than no change, I'll give ya that. The country is ready for change, but I for one, do not trust hardly anyone in government these days and trust even fewer politician running for office.

bamacre, I must commend you on keeping things civil. You seem to keep a level head and have well thought out posts, lacking any hostility towards other members. 🙂

Still, however, it's fun to mess with the RP camp. 😉

Well, I was right there with you. I had actually been voting Republican all my life, albeit a short one. I voted for Bush Sr over Clinton, then Bob Dole (yes, i admit it). But there was something about Bush I really didn't like and ended up voting for a 3rd party in 2000. I don't even remember who it was.

After Sept 11th, I didn't really know what to think other than "oh shit," then the war in Iraq put me right where you are, just no hope for politics at all. There just wasn't any choice anymore. The left was headed toward socialism, and the right was headed toward, well, toward something I didn't like.

I was probably going to vote for Obama, out of just plain disgust of where the Right was going. Of course all that changed after I learned about Paul. He just makes sense, and he's different than anything I've ever seen as far as presidential candidates.

Unless this whole thing explodes, and it may, he won't win. But it's actually been a lot of fun supporting him, and the campaign itself is really something historic if you think about it. I think this campaign will significantly change how some future candidates run.

Of course the internet has played a big part. My only concern is that those in power will realize this and try to put a stop to it somehow, if they can't find a way to embrace it. There is talk of some regulation of the internet. It is just easier for people to find the truth on the internet, IF they know how to do so, and it makes it easier to spread a good message.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: compuwiz1

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
So, bottom line, another shit salesman with a mouth full of samples? 😉

Well, one might think so. Like the old saying goes, "if it sounds too good to be true." 😀

But when people learn about his past, his voting record, and personal life, they see some real hope in him. Plus, he has a very humble personality, a good sense of humor, and he's an honest and very intelligent guy.

But...his views and goals are too unrealistic and he would not get 90% of them thru congress, but ok, 10% change is better than no change, I'll give ya that. The country is ready for change, but I for one, do not trust hardly anyone in government these days and trust even fewer politician running for office.

bamacre, I must commend you on keeping things civil. You seem to keep a level head and have well thought out posts, lacking any hostility towards other members. 🙂

Still, however, it's fun to mess with the RP camp. 😉

Well, I was right there with you. I had actually been voting Republican all my life, albeit a short one. I voted for Bush Sr over Clinton, then Bob Dole (yes, i admit it). But there was something about Bush I really didn't like and ended up voting for a 3rd party in 2000. I don't even remember who it was.

After Sept 11th, I didn't really know what to think other than "oh shit," then the war in Iraq put me right where you are, just no hope for politics at all. There just wasn't any choice anymore. The left was headed toward socialism, and the right was headed toward, well, toward something I didn't like.

I was probably going to vote for Obama, out of just plain disgust of where the Right was going. Of course all that changed after I learned about Paul. He just makes sense, and he's different than anything I've ever seen as far as presidential candidates.

Unless this whole thing explodes, and it may, he won't win. But it's actually been a lot of fun supporting him, and the campaign itself is really something historic if you think about it. I think this campaign will significantly change how some future candidates run.

Of course the internet has played a big part. My only concern is that those in power will realize this and try to put a stop to it somehow, if they can't find a way to embrace it. There is talk of some regulation of the internet. It is just easier for people to find the truth on the internet, IF they know how to do so, and it makes it easier to spread a good message.

You know that is complete and utter nonesense...
Don`t become like the others and start making excuses why Ron whats his name is unelectable.....

In fact you have any links to actual news stories at all to support your assertion that there has been talk...

Sometimes you make good points other times your a laugh a minute!!

 

[compuwiz1]

Perry404 error may finally get a bit quieter. 😉

 

[DarkThinker]

Ron's Promise to cut aid to Israel (and all the rest of the gang benefiting from the status quo) gives Fox and the rest of the Pro-Israeli gang more than enough motive to try and give him as little publicity as possible. I don't know how the specific media related election laws work in the US, but back home oversees, when a TV station violates election laws by showing evident bias against a certain campaigner or a certain political group, it gets shutdown almost for good. If there is anything that should be hushed, it's stations like Fox and their gangster media tycoons.

 

[TheNewbie]

Originally posted by: DarkThinker
Ron's Promise to cut aid to Israel (and all the rest of the gang benefiting from the status quo) gives Fox and the rest of the Pro-Israeli gang more than enough motive to try and give him as little publicity as possible. I don't know how the specific media related election laws work in the US, but back home oversees, when a TV station violates election laws by showing evident bias against a certain campaigner or a certain political group, it gets shutdown almost for good. If there is anything that should be hushed, it's stations like Fox and their gangster media tycoons.

You sound like an Arab, so when you say "back at home", which Arab country are you referring to?
Because in democratic countries we don't just go around shutting down (PRIVATE) TV stations just because they don't broadcast whatever you want them to. If you don't like what they have on - don't watch it.
Btw why do you call the Pro-Israeli lobby a gang? And why on earth do you bring the Israeli-Arab issue into every thread you post in?

Edit: Though by the way there are guidelines regarding political propaganda. You know Mr. google? Ask him...

 

[palehorse]

10%.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: bamacre
Well, I was right there with you. I had actually been voting Republican all my life, albeit a short one. I voted for Bush Sr over Clinton, then Bob Dole (yes, i admit it). But there was something about Bush I really didn't like and ended up voting for a 3rd party in 2000. I don't even remember who it was.

After Sept 11th, I didn't really know what to think other than "oh shit," then the war in Iraq put me right where you are, just no hope for politics at all. There just wasn't any choice anymore. The left was headed toward socialism, and the right was headed toward, well, toward something I didn't like.

I was probably going to vote for Obama, out of just plain disgust of where the Right was going. Of course all that changed after I learned about Paul. He just makes sense, and he's different than anything I've ever seen as far as presidential candidates.

Unless this whole thing explodes, and it may, he won't win. But it's actually been a lot of fun supporting him, and the campaign itself is really something historic if you think about it. I think this campaign will significantly change how some future candidates run.

Of course the internet has played a big part. My only concern is that those in power will realize this and try to put a stop to it somehow, if they can't find a way to embrace it. There is talk of some regulation of the internet. It is just easier for people to find the truth on the internet, IF they know how to do so, and it makes it easier to spread a good message.

You know that is complete and utter nonesense...
Don`t become like the others and start making excuses why Ron whats his name is unelectable.....

In fact you have any links to actual news stories at all to support your assertion that there has been talk...

Sometimes you make good points other times your a laugh a minute!!

I don't know WTF you're talking about. 😕

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
10%.

0% --> 1% --> 3% --> 7% --> 10%

That 10% won't last long. 😀

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: bamacre
Well, I was right there with you. I had actually been voting Republican all my life, albeit a short one. I voted for Bush Sr over Clinton, then Bob Dole (yes, i admit it). But there was something about Bush I really didn't like and ended up voting for a 3rd party in 2000. I don't even remember who it was.

After Sept 11th, I didn't really know what to think other than "oh shit," then the war in Iraq put me right where you are, just no hope for politics at all. There just wasn't any choice anymore. The left was headed toward socialism, and the right was headed toward, well, toward something I didn't like.

I was probably going to vote for Obama, out of just plain disgust of where the Right was going. Of course all that changed after I learned about Paul. He just makes sense, and he's different than anything I've ever seen as far as presidential candidates.

Unless this whole thing explodes, and it may, he won't win. But it's actually been a lot of fun supporting him, and the campaign itself is really something historic if you think about it. I think this campaign will significantly change how some future candidates run.

Of course the internet has played a big part. My only concern is that those in power will realize this and try to put a stop to it somehow, if they can't find a way to embrace it. There is talk of some regulation of the internet. It is just easier for people to find the truth on the internet, IF they know how to do so, and it makes it easier to spread a good message.

You know that is complete and utter nonesense...
Don`t become like the others and start making excuses why Ron whats his name is unelectable.....

In fact you have any links to actual news stories at all to support your assertion that there has been talk...

Sometimes you make good points other times your a laugh a minute!!

I don't know WTF you're talking about. 😕

Yeah I scanned his points to what he bolded and none of it matched. Like he just hit the harvey button or something? 😕

 

[bamacre]

:laugh:

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: TheNewbie

Originally posted by: DarkThinker
Ron's Promise to cut aid to Israel (and all the rest of the gang benefiting from the status quo) gives Fox and the rest of the Pro-Israeli gang more than enough motive to try and give him as little publicity as possible. I don't know how the specific media related election laws work in the US, but back home oversees, when a TV station violates election laws by showing evident bias against a certain campaigner or a certain political group, it gets shutdown almost for good. If there is anything that should be hushed, it's stations like Fox and their gangster media tycoons.

You sound like an Arab, so when you say "back at home", which Arab country are you referring to?

I believe you have been in other threads that I have been in on P&N and you KNOW I am an Arab and that I am originally Lebanese (which is something I have stated over and over), don't try to make it look like you smart guessed your answer.
And BTW you sound like either an Israeli or a Zionist-Jew.

Because in democratic countries we don't just go around shutting down (PRIVATE) TV stations just because they don't broadcast whatever you want them to. If you don't like what they have on - don't watch it.

Well I read up more on the topic and as far as I know so far, the FCC in this great democratic country HAS the complete authority to revoke a TV station for violating it's guidelines without especially if after showing no effort to stop the violation after warnings have been issued.

Moreover these jewels come form the FCC's homepage, enjoy:

Broadcasts by Candidates for Public Office. When a qualified candidate for public office has been permitted to use a station, the Communications Act requires the station to "afford equal opportunities to all other such candidates for that office." The Act also states that the station "shall have no power of censorship over the material broadcast" by the candidate.

<<We are authorized to fine a station or revoke its license if it has, among other things, aired obscene language, broadcast indecent language when children are likely to be in the audience, broadcast some types of lottery information, or solicited money under false pretenses.

As you can see, the FCC has the power to revoke the license of any TV station violating it's license terms and by revoking the license it would render a TV station dead pretty much without any guarantees that the same station can come back to the broadcasting business again.

So TheNewbie, tell me, is the United States of America a democratic country from your POV?

[/quote]

Btw why do you call the Pro-Israeli lobby a gang?

Why do I call it a gang? Because of it's underground influences in the media and political world, its a mafia like behavior, spare the killings (well who knows 😉)

And why on earth do you bring the Israeli-Arab issue into every thread you post in?

I don't bring it into every thread I post in, and never out of place either unless you have proof of me doing otherwise.

However the Israeli-Arab issue dominates the Political Arena and Fox is a well known player for the Zionist lobbies and Ron-Paul's willingness to cut our tax money from going to Israel and the Arabic gang being paid to not fight Israel raises red flags for the Zionist lobbies, as they get a portion of that tax money naturally for their job.

 

[morkinva]

From Journalism.org, media exposure by candidate

for the week Jan 14-20:
look at this chart

for the week Jan 21-27:
click me

In the first graphic,
Mitt Romney received SIXTY FOUR TIMES more media coverage than Dr Paul in that week.
John McCain received FIFTY NINE TIMES more media coverage than Dr Paul in that week.
Mike Huckabee received THIRTY SIX TIMES more media coverage than Dr Paul in that week.
Rudy Giuliani received TEN TIMES more media coverage than Dr Paul in that week.
Fred Thompson received FOUR TIMES more media coverage than Dr Paul in that week.
Mike Bloomberg, who is not even running, received as much election coverage, as Dr Paul did, in that week.

In the second graphic,
John McCain received EIGHTY FIVE TIMES more media coverage than Dr Paul in that week.
Rudy Giuliani received SIXTY NINE TIMES more media coverage than Dr Paul in that week.
Mitt Romney received FIFTY NINE TIMES more media coverage than Dr Paul in that week.
Mike Huckabee received THIRTY TWO TIMES more media coverage than Dr Paul in that week.
Fred Thompson received TWENTY FIVE TIMES more media coverage than Dr Paul in that week.
Barack Obama received TWO HUNDRED AND SEVEN TIMES more media coverage than Dr Paul in that week.
Hillary Clinton was close behind, receiving TWO HUNDRED AND TWO TIMES more media coverage than Dr Paul in that week.
Bill Clinton received NINETY ONE TIMES more media coverage than Dr Paul did in that week

This analysis doesn't even take into account that when they DO mention Dr. Paul, words like quixotic, longshot and fringe are almost always included. Is this fair media coverage? Is it an intentional blackout?

As comparison, here's the realclearpolitics average of polling:

Date(01/14-01/22)
McCain(26.2)
Romney(20.2)
Huckabee(18.5)
Giuliani(13.5)
Paul(5.3)

source pages:
http://www.journalism.org/node/9266
http://www.journalism.org/node/9512