Proof-of-Citizenship Ruling Victory for Honest Vote

[Texashiker]

what do you call this then?

https://www.aclu.org/capital-punishment/aclus-capital-punishment-project

I call it a ruse,

In general, its litigation focuses on: (1) innocent persons; (2) severely mentally ill persons; (3) persons who face execution because of abysmal legal representation; (4) persons who face execution because of systemic discrimination; and (5) improving the fairness of capital trials and appeals.

Does the aclu only work with abortion clinics in "certain" situations? What about schools. Do they sue schools to remove religious symbols in "certain situations?"

Please post how much money the ACLU has made from this.

https://www.aclu.org/files/pdfs/about/acluf_fy12_990_public_disclosure_copy_for_website.pdf

Enough to increase its assets from:

$272,872,828 in 2010 - 2011
to
$288,836,973 in 2011 - 2012

Gross receipts ending March 2012, $501,000,000

Not bad for a not for profit.

 

[zinfamous]

Folks, please allow me to step into Texashiker land for a second:

You sir are making false statements.

Do your civic duty:

1 - get a government issued ID.
2 - register to vote
3 - vote
4 - serve on a jury

Those should be the minimum requirements to consider yourself a citizen.

You know the last time it was anyone's civic duty to get some form of government ID?

The Jews, that's who. When Europe was occupied by the Germans.

Why do you agree with Hitler?




/Th hat off.

 

[Texashiker]

You know the last time it was anyone's civic duty to get some form of government ID?

The Jews, that's who. When Europe was occupied by the Germans.

Why do you agree with Hitler?

In that case, I guess I am a socialist.

Not that I agree with hitler. But I do feel everyone should be required to have a form of state issued ID.

 

[thraashman]

The ACLU is a respected institution? LOL, give me a break.

All the ACLU cares about is making money off lawsuits.

They're a non-profit, so clearly making money is not the primary objective.
And quite frankly since the entire purpose of the ACLU is to defend the Bill of Rights, the only people that would not have respect for it are those who hate the Constitution. So ... conservatives.

The aclu will defend a womans right to abortion. But how many death row inmates does the aclu defend.

The ACLU is working to abolish the death penalty altogether and often does defend death row inmates.
https://www.aclu.org/capital-punishment/case-against-death-penalty
https://www.aclu.org/blog/capital-punishment/defending-innocent-man-death-row
https://www.aclu.org/capital-punishment/innocence-and-death-penalty
https://www.aclu.org/capital-punishment

 

[Texashiker]

The ACLU is working to abolish the death penalty altogether and often does defend death row inmates.

Does not change my opinion that they are nothing more than scavengers.

Where is the aclu on stuff like this,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-doctors-claim-debilitating-illness-mind.html

We are getting a little off topic here.

 

[zinfamous]

The ACLU is working to abolish the death penalty altogether and often does defend death row inmates.
https://www.aclu.org/capital-punishment/case-against-death-penalty
https://www.aclu.org/blog/capital-punishment/defending-innocent-man-death-row
https://www.aclu.org/capital-punishment/innocence-and-death-penalty
https://www.aclu.org/capital-punishment

Does not change my opinion that they are nothing more than scavengers.

We are getting a little off topic here.

seriously...why do we continue to entertain this dude?

refute point with evidence
does not matter, I remain correct.
refute opinion with evidence
does not matter, I remain correct.

etc.

 

[Texashiker]

seriously...why do we continue to entertain this dude?

Ninja edit from the post you quoted.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-doctors-claim-debilitating-illness-mind.html

Where is the aclu in cases like that where children have been taken from their parents?


Where is the aclu when the epa takes land from land owners?

Where is the aclu when it comes to fracking and pollution? Are you saying clean air and water is not a right, but abortion is?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Ninja edit from the post you quoted.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-doctors-claim-debilitating-illness-mind.html

Where is the aclu in cases like that where children have been taken from their parents?

Before edit

Right here?

Meanwhile Jessie Rossman, a staff attorney with the ACLU of Massachusetts, said Monday that it has been reviewing the First Amendment issues arising out of the gag order and that “we are deeply concerned about multiple aspects.”

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...-move-again/P2e5jYYQHOwD4QnTPW09eN/story.html

 

[Texashiker]

Before edit

Right here?

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...-move-again/P2e5jYYQHOwD4QnTPW09eN/story.html

Wow, such a strongly worded statement.

They probably could not care less about a family being torn apart.

Google search for:

aclu sues over pollution and not a single matching result.
aclu sues over child support and not a single matching result
aclu sues oil spill, no matching results

There are a few results for suing child protection services.

But hey, when it comes to gay rights, religious symbols and abortions, then the aclu is on it like stink on crap.

Which one is more important, getting your poo packed or safe drinking water? The answer tells you how much the aclu really cares about your civil rights.

It says a lot when the aclu sues people for their religious beliefs,

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/christ...lic-bishops-over-their-prolife-views-n1756752

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Wow, such a strongly worded statement.

They probably could not care less about a family being torn apart.

Google search for:

aclu sues over pollution and not a single matching result.
aclu sues over child support and not a single matching result
aclu sues oil spill, no matching results

There are a few results for suing child protection services.

But hey, when it comes to gay rights, religious symbols and abortions, then the aclu is on it like stink on crap.

Which one is more important, getting your poo packed or safe drinking water? The answer tells you how much the aclu really cares about your civil rights.

TIL you have no idea what the ACLUs mission is.

 

[Texashiker]

TIL you have no idea what the ACLUs mission is.

Does that mission statement include suing seaworld for refusing an ad?

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2014/mar/11/peta-joins-lawsuit-over-rejection-anti-seaworld-ad/

Exactly how is suing seaworld protecting "individual" liberties?

Lets make seaworld run an ad for peta and push children taken from their parents to the back burner. Better yet, lets just forget about abused children.

 

[thraashman]

seriously...why do we continue to entertain this dude?

refute point with evidence
does not matter, I remain correct.
refute opinion with evidence
does not matter, I remain correct.

etc.

I'm of the opinion that I will not vilify someone for being ill-informed, I will instead inform them. Now in Texashiker's case he is not only ill-informed, he prefers to be that way. He has before espoused pride in not attempting to learn in school and he continues to argue a point that has been proven wrong. I do not expect to fix him. There's some level of stupid you just can't fix. However I do feel that others could benefit from a refutation of his extreme fucking stupidity.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

aclu sues over pollution and not a single matching result.
aclu sues over child support and not a single matching result
aclu sues oil spill, no matching results

There are a few results for suing child protection services.

But hey, when it comes to gay rights, religious symbols and abortions, then the aclu is on it like stink on crap.

This is like complaining that the Republican National Convention features very few Democratic speakers. Why exactly would the American Civil Liberties Union be interested in oil spills or child support? What civil liberties espoused in the Constitution or its Amendments are threatened by those issues?

 

[MrPickins]

You sir are making false statements.

Do your civic duty:

1 - get a government issued ID.

lolwut

My number one civic duty is to get a govt. issued ID?


Do you even think before you post? :biggrin:

 

[CitizenKain]

Wow, such a strongly worded statement.

They probably could not care less about a family being torn apart.

Google search for:

aclu sues over pollution and not a single matching result.
aclu sues over child support and not a single matching result
aclu sues oil spill, no matching results

There are a few results for suing child protection services.

But hey, when it comes to gay rights, religious symbols and abortions, then the aclu is on it like stink on crap.

Which one is more important, getting your poo packed or safe drinking water? The answer tells you how much the aclu really cares about your civil rights.

It says a lot when the aclu sues people for their religious beliefs,

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/christ...lic-bishops-over-their-prolife-views-n1756752

Can you explain how an oil spill is a civil liberty issue? But why a government forcing religion on others isn't?

It says a lot about you that were upset at people who beat their wives losing their weapons.

 

[Victorian Gray]

The most important thing isn't any of that. Just because people are stupid in one way doesn't mean that they are stupid in others.

The real thing here is that voting is the most fundamental aspect of our system of governance. You should be very careful when limiting that right or taking it away, and popular support for removing voting rights doesn't really sway me at all on whether or not it is a good thing to do.

EDIT: To me by far the most important thing is that those arguing for voter id laws still can't provide any evidence for why they would be a good thing. That's pretty damning.

Again, they should just have the guts to admit they want to do it to keep non-Republicans from voting. Have the balls to own it.

The poll data simply shows that depending on public sentiment to 'prove your point' which is what he was doing, is kinda dumb given that most people don't tend to actually know too much about most things.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I try to make allowances for you because you're Canadian, but this post and your recent one in the Lois Lerner thread make you sound kind of special needs.

Still in middle school? What's next? Pulling on the girls' pigtails at recess?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Wow, such a strongly worded statement.

They probably could not care less about a family being torn apart.

Google search for:

aclu sues over pollution and not a single matching result.
aclu sues over child support and not a single matching result
aclu sues oil spill, no matching results

There are a few results for suing child protection services.

But hey, when it comes to gay rights, religious symbols and abortions, then the aclu is on it like stink on crap.

Which one is more important, getting your poo packed or safe drinking water? The answer tells you how much the aclu really cares about your civil rights.

It says a lot when the aclu sues people for their religious beliefs,

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/christ...lic-bishops-over-their-prolife-views-n1756752

Oil spills have what to do with the Constitution and civil rights?
Polution has what to do with the Constitution and civil rights?
Child support has what to do with the Constitution and civil rights?

ACLU and protecting religious rights:

https://www.aclu.org/aclu-defense-religious-practice-and-expression

You can't really be this dumb can you?

 

[Greenman]

No. Look it up yourself. I have limited time and frankly no interest in recreating every single piece of all the previous threads. There comes a point where one realizes that those determined to ignore the truth will continue to do so no matter how many times it's presented. If you are sincerely interested, the information is there.

There is nothing to look up. My point was that if you're employed, you have id. There is a form that has to be filled out proving the identity and employment eligibility of the person being hired. I also have to provide identification of each employee to my insurance carrier. I didn't just make this up, it's a pain in the ass I have to go through for every new hire.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Does that mission statement include suing seaworld for refusing an ad?

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2014/mar/11/peta-joins-lawsuit-over-rejection-anti-seaworld-ad/

Exactly how is suing seaworld protecting "individual" liberties?

Lets make seaworld run an ad for peta and push children taken from their parents to the back burner. Better yet, lets just forget about abused children.

So, you're admitting in public that you don't actually understand this law suit?

Good for you. It's a good thing when we can admit to our ignorance and hopefully learn something by doing so.

 

[Bowfinger]

There is nothing to look up. My point was that if you're employed, you have id. There is a form that has to be filled out proving the identity and employment eligibility of the person being hired. I also have to provide identification of each employee to my insurance carrier. I didn't just make this up, it's a pain in the ass I have to go through for every new hire.

You seem to have trouble following your own comments. The claim was:

"Data show there are millions of perfectly eligible American voters who do not have the current, state-issued, photo IDs required by these voter suppression laws. That is a simple fact, no matter how unintuitive it may seem."

You said it couldn't possibly be true, and that I should produce the data to support it. I declined, suggesting you look it up for yourself. Your response above is off on an unrelated tangent. There is certainly data to look up. Your comment about employer responsibilities has no relevance to the point that millions of eligible voters lack current, state-issued, photo IDs.

Also note that somebody else did link that data for you. Very kind of him. It shows that the original point is, in fact, true, your assertions to the contrary notwithstanding.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

There is nothing to look up. My point was that if you're employed, you have id. There is a form that has to be filled out proving the identity and employment eligibility of the person being hired. I also have to provide identification of each employee to my insurance carrier. I didn't just make this up, it's a pain in the ass I have to go through for every new hire.

There is no requirement on an I-9 that someone *has* to have a government issued photo ID for employment. If that is what you are eluding to that claim is false.