Proof: Israel wanted Lebanon's River

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: spike spiegal

Questions to you become hollow justifications

You sound like somebody who's vote for Syria or Libya becoming members of the U.N security council.

Doesn't it though? Changing the context of a statement and claiming it was a question when asked to pull back the curtain and reveal the facts still doesn't quite work.

Of course, after Israel is destroyed I think they should rule the world.

"The answer to a fool is silence, but experience has shown that in the long run any other answer will have the same effect."

 

[Moonbeam]

Perhaps the thousands comes instead from the nearly 10,000 Palestinians in Israeli detention.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam "You will be sick like us" is humanity's deepest commandment and its true Golden Rule.

I agree completely. Unfortunately, understanding the source of a neurosis does not ipso facto cure the neurosis. If a woman understands that her intimacy issues are a consequence of being sexually abused as a child by her alcoholic father, she'll still have intimacy issues. And understanding that her father's behavior was a consequence of his own abused past won't lessen her resentment of him.

One of Robert McNamara's 11 "lessons" from "The Fog of War" rings true to me: Rationality will not save us.

About the only hope I see is that some greater external threat arises that forces enemies to unite in common cause.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: Moonbeam "You will be sick like us" is humanity's deepest commandment and its true Golden Rule.

I agree completely. Unfortunately, understanding the source of a neurosis does not ipso facto cure the neurosis. If a woman understands that her intimacy issues are a consequence of being sexually abused as a child by her alcoholic father, she'll still have intimacy issues. And understanding that her father's behavior was a consequence of his own abused past won't lessen her resentment of him.

One of Robert McNamara's 11 "lessons" from "The Fog of War" rings true to me: Rationality will not save us.

About the only hope I see is that some greater external threat arises that forces enemies to unite in common cause.

You are completely correct in my opinion. But it is not understanding that matters, or not that kind of understanding. There is a way to heal and it is through suffering and grief. One can't simply know in the abstract what happened. One needs to consciously relive it, to feel all of the original trauma and pain, to know what happened from the inside emotionally, to live it again as it really happened. Then one can start to do what has not been done, to grieve for oneself, to feel again all the pain that seems endless and is not endless once it is felt. To mourn oneself for dead returns one to the life one had before. To grieve removes all fear for there is nothing we fear except remembering. Did you but suffer you would not suffer is what Christ is purported to have said. Human beings are capable of profound grief and profound joy. We are dead who cannot go to the former because it opens the door to the latter. We are not free to be what we are because we are afraid to feel. Of course, people of profound religious faith, those who discover and abide by the spirit of the law, those who forgive, and those who surrender to the Will of God can take a short cut there and just step right over the past, but in any case all these things are rare and they are rare because we do not see our motivation is to avoid all pain because we had no defense against it as children.

 

[LunarRay]

Poor Moonbeam.... He stands on the bank having crossed the great divide and yells back across the bridge to the tormented walkers thereon... to come this way .. come and find the other side... but they all just meander about or jump into the raging river and drown... often bringing their tormentors with them as they seek to relieve their rage by sharing the experience...