Proof black lives don't matter - the execution of Philando Castile (30 page TL;DR added to OP)

[buckshot24]

Pretty much everything, as he never ceases to demonstrate.

Facts that gainsay this ignoramus short circuit his sub 65 IQ and leave him lost and alone. Yet he always continues to post anyway, confident he's won the Special Olympics gold in debate, grinning like the fool he is from a podium that doesn't exit.

So he calls YOU scum. Lawls.

He'd have to bootstrap himself up from the murky bottom of his ugly, fetid pond of slim-drenched stupidity to achieve the level of scum.

Scum is on the surface. He's bone-deep ignorant, all the way down.

I didn't call him scum you old blithering idiot.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Pretty much everything, as he never ceases to demonstrate.

Facts that gainsay this ignoramus short circuit his sub 65 IQ and leave him lost and alone. Yet he always continues to post anyway, confident he's won the Special Olympics gold in debate, grinning like the fool he is from a podium that doesn't exit.

So he calls YOU scum. Lawls.

He'd have to bootstrap himself up from the murky bottom of his ugly, fetid pond of slim-drenched stupidity to achieve the level of scum.

Scum is on the surface. He's bone-deep ignorant, all the way down.

He does seem to be a bit behind, at this point he cannot keep discussions separate either...

You know, at one point a long time ago I'd probably try to talk some sense into the kid but at this time... I'll let his stupidity roam freely and let nature have it's way of sorting him out.

If you know what I mean.

 

[buckshot24]

Pretty much everything, as he never ceases to demonstrate.

Facts that gainsay this ignoramus short circuit his sub 65 IQ and leave him lost and alone. Yet he always continues to post anyway, confident he's won the Special Olympics gold in debate, grinning like the fool he is from a podium that doesn't exit.

So he calls YOU scum. Lawls.

He'd have to bootstrap himself up from the murky bottom of his ugly, fetid pond of slim-drenched stupidity to achieve the level of scum.

Scum is on the surface. He's bone-deep ignorant, all the way down.

And while I'm no MENSA member my IQ is significantly closer to being qualified for membership than it is to 65.

 

[buckshot24]

He does seem to be a bit behind, at this point he cannot keep discussions separate either...

You know, at one point a long time ago I'd probably try to talk some sense into the kid but at this time... I'll let his stupidity roam freely and let nature have it's way of sorting him out.

If you know what I mean.

Did I call you scum? Correct the old moron.

 

[buckshot24]

céard a déarfá?

This conversation that we are now having started with Blue_Max's post where you went with an image reply, it is not connected to any other discussion, try to fucking keep up.

I told you why I posted it too. It isn't difficult.

 

[J.Wilkins]

I didn't call him scum you old blithering idiot.

You did call DixyCrat scum, your post is public and unlike Trump you don't have a team of supporters ready to deny reality to keep you propped up.

And while I'm no MENSA member my IQ is significantly closer to being qualified for membership than it is to 65.

I sincerely doubt that, you don't seem to understand even the simplest logic and connecting dots is what IQ tests are all about (they are worthless, all they show is how good you are at taking IQ tests and you can actually study and get better at it while having a very low IQ).

 

[interchange]

I'm really sickened at the turns this post has taken. It really underscores how far we are from actual rational discourse on matters of race and police.

Did everyone here watch the video? I cannot fathom any other conclusion than this: officer was perfectly civil and level-headed until he perceived that someone was reaching for a firearm that threatened his life and tried to direct them to stop. He was batshit terrified that his life was endangered, took decisive action, and was batshit horrified at what he was compelled to do. He wanted to part in killing someone who did not threaten his life.

Whether this was reasonable within the confines of his training and this the result simply a tragedy or whether he acted outside of this is something I can't definitively answer, but I can say there is no doubt he engaged in the encounter without intended malice.

Police work is inherently high risk. Sometimes following training leads to awful things. It seems likely Castille had no malice either, and his death is therefore tragic and unnecessary. But I work in another high risk field (medicine). I get that sometimes shit happens even when doing the right thing, even if doing the wrong thing might have prevented death. Is a surgeon who performs an elective surgery that followed their training properly a murderer because their patient died from post-op pneumonia?

 

[buckshot24]

You did call DixyCrat scum, your post is public and unlike Trump you don't have a team of supporters ready to deny reality to keep you propped up.

Yes I did because he was acting like scum. Assuming I hate people because I didn't agree with his method of helping them is shameful and a dishonest argumentation.

I sincerely doubt that, you don't seem to understand even the simplest logic and connecting dots is what IQ tests are all about (they are worthless, all they show is how good you are at taking IQ tests and you can actually study and get better at it while having a very low IQ).

Doubt it all you like. It's true. I certainly have nothing close to 65 like that old withered up moron suggested.

 

[J.Wilkins]

I told you why I posted it too. It isn't difficult.

No, you told me that you thought I was part of some group because i disagreed with an idiot on his obvious idiocy, a kind of "omg don't be mean to my idiot friend" post but in a hostile manner.

Keep doing that and you'll be treated like Blue_Max who was an obvious idiot for not understanding that there is a difference in frequency based on the numbers in each group.

If you are desperate to be seen as a complete idiot I will stop giving you the benefit of the doubt and give you exactly what you want.

 

[buckshot24]

No, you told me that you thought I was part of some group because i disagreed with an idiot on his obvious idiocy, a kind of "omg don't be mean to my idiot friend" post but in a hostile manner.

Keep doing that and you'll be treated like Blue_Max who was an obvious idiot for not understanding that there is a difference in frequency based on the numbers in each group.

If you are desperate to be seen as a complete idiot I will stop giving you the benefit of the doubt and give you exactly what you want.

Isn't that telling you why I posted it? Disagree all you want, I just found the idea of rubbing dog crap in his face to be a bit over the top.

 

[J.Wilkins]

I'm really sickened at the turns this post has taken. It really underscores how far we are from actual rational discourse on matters of race and police.

Did everyone here watch the video? I cannot fathom any other conclusion than this: officer was perfectly civil and level-headed until he perceived that someone was reaching for a firearm that threatened his life and tried to direct them to stop. He was batshit terrified that his life was endangered, took decisive action, and was batshit horrified at what he was compelled to do. He wanted to part in killing someone who did not threaten his life.

Whether this was reasonable within the confines of his training and this the result simply a tragedy or whether he acted outside of this is something I can't definitively answer, but I can say there is no doubt he engaged in the encounter without intended malice.

Police work is inherently high risk. Sometimes following training leads to awful things. It seems likely Castille had no malice either, and his death is therefore tragic and unnecessary. But I work in another high risk field (medicine). I get that sometimes shit happens even when doing the right thing, even if doing the wrong thing might have prevented death. Is a surgeon who performs an elective surgery that followed their training properly a murderer because their patient died from post-op pneumonia?

Don't give a fuck about the video, copper never saw a gun, shot the guy without ever seen a gun in his hand or anywhere else.

Don't give a fuck about how the copper felt either, he was anxious, twitchy and no matter what the guy would get shot. The guy stops moving and has his hands down, he's dead, the guy pulls his hands out and the cop will think he's pulling a gun he doesn't see out, the guy's dead. Twitchy cop in a benign situation ends with innocent guy dead. No biggie, it wasn't you this time.

Don't give a fuck about race bullshit except for actual facts and statistics.

Twitchy copper murdered and innocent civilian, end of story.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Isn't that telling you why I posted it? Disagree all you want, I just found the idea of rubbing dog crap in his face to be a bit over the top.

I give up, you're too fucking stupid to have a discussion.

 

[buckshot24]

Don't give a fuck about the video, copper never saw a gun, shot the guy without ever seen a gun in his hand or anywhere else.

Don't give a fuck about how the copper felt either, he was anxious, twitchy and no matter what the guy would get shot. The guy stops moving and has his hands down, he's dead, the guy pulls his hands out and the cop will think he's pulling a gun he doesn't see out, the guy's dead. Twitchy cop in a benign situation ends with innocent guy dead. No biggie, it wasn't you this time.

Don't give a fuck about race bullshit except for actual facts and statistics.

Twitchy copper murdered and innocent civilian, end of story.

Anger isn't healthy. Get some help. Cop was acquitted.

 

[Blue_Max]

Nice dishonest bullshit statement you got there, do you want it wrapped in a dog shit bag and take it with you or do you want it smeared all over your face?

I think i'll smear it all over your face;

Considering that the minority has fewer individuals it could happen to they are overrepresented by a number of 4:1.

Does that want to make you weep for your own stupidity to not have understood such a simple thing or does it want you to laugh because you do get that but your are fucking deranged to the point where it's just a joke to you?

1.) There are not 4x more "whites" to "blacks", unless you're calling people "of colour" to be white? Tsk tsk.
2.) That same rule you want to apply ALSO shows how black people are, on average, committing far more dangerous/violent crime than whites are which is WHY they get a different reaction when facing the police. If you get attacked by purple people far more often than magenta people, you're going to be more wary of purples. Simple fact. Don't like it? Stop doing violent crime.
3.) Cops are usually smart enough to recognize who's causing trouble and who's not - regardless of skin colour.

You do get that when an innocent man gets shot by the police that means that it could happen to you too, right? But you'd be fine with that... yeah, because you respect coppers who don't follow procedure and shoot people who are not posing any kind of threat what so ever.

"Innocent.... no threat whatsoever..." #DINDUNUFFIN

The highlighted in red by me is a well known derogatory racist meme from the racist alt-right. We don't allow such here, something you should know as this is your 4th infraction for racism.

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[soulcougher73]

I'm really sickened at the turns this post has taken. It really underscores how far we are from actual rational discourse on matters of race and police.

Did everyone here watch the video? I cannot fathom any other conclusion than this: officer was perfectly civil and level-headed until he perceived that someone was reaching for a firearm that threatened his life and tried to direct them to stop. He was batshit terrified that his life was endangered, took decisive action, and was batshit horrified at what he was compelled to do. He wanted to part in killing someone who did not threaten his life.

Whether this was reasonable within the confines of his training and this the result simply a tragedy or whether he acted outside of this is something I can't definitively answer, but I can say there is no doubt he engaged in the encounter without intended malice.

Police work is inherently high risk. Sometimes following training leads to awful things. It seems likely Castille had no malice either, and his death is therefore tragic and unnecessary. But I work in another high risk field (medicine). I get that sometimes shit happens even when doing the right thing, even if doing the wrong thing might have prevented death. Is a surgeon who performs an elective surgery that followed their training properly a murderer because their patient died from post-op pneumonia?

This is pretty much what i take from the video. There really is no 100% definitive proof to convict him of anything. Based on what we can see he says "stop reaching" etc. Thus implying he was reaching, otherwise you wouldnt bother to say that. I would not convict this cop based on that video. Its a shitty situation all around, but im not sending him to jail over this.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Anger isn't healthy. Get some help. Cop was acquitted.

Yes, he was acquitted because being cop while murdering is OK in the US.

I thought you didn't agree with the verdict.

 

[Blue_Max]

Yes, he was acquitted because being cop while murdering is OK in the US.

I thought you didn't agree with the verdict.

Hopeless... I imagine you're another one of those college lefties screaming "F*ck the police! F*ck the police! F*ck the police!" punches someone, then when you get punched back you whirl around and scream to the police, "DIDN'T YOU SEE THAT?? ARREST HIM!!!"

"murdering" *snerk*

 

[J.Wilkins]

1.) There are not 4x more "whites" to "blacks", unless you're calling people "of colour" to be white? Tsk tsk.
2.) That same rule you want to apply ALSO shows how black people are, on average, committing far more dangerous/violent crime than whites are which is WHY they get a different reaction when facing the police. If you get attacked by purple people far more often than magenta people, you're going to be more wary of purples. Simple fact. Don't like it? Stop doing violent crime.
3.) Cops are usually smart enough to recognize who's causing trouble and who's not - regardless of skin colour.


"Innocent.... no threat whatsoever..." #DINDUNUFFIN

1. You're right, it's 5:1 the point doesn't change. (63:12)

2. Indeed it does and I'm glad you are finally admitting that you think shooting black innocent people is understandable since you think black people are scary and dangerous.

3. Not in the US they are not, they are the bottom scraps from people who are not allowed to re-enlist mainly. The Army left a lot of idiots behind and they became police officers.

"#DINDUNUFFIN" This I recognize though, it's used all the time by Neo Nazis and no one else.

You a fucking Nazist, son?

 

[J.Wilkins]

Hopeless... I imagine you're another one of those college lefties screaming "F*ck the police! F*ck the police! F*ck the police!" punches someone, then when you get punched back you whirl around and scream to the police, "DIDN'T YOU SEE THAT?? ARREST HIM!!!"

"murdering" *snerk*

If i shoot a guy who poses no threat what so ever to me, who has no gun visible nor in his hand then what would be the charge? If a copper who is supposedly held to a much higher standard does the same thing then in your mind he's justified? How about if it's you? Still justified?

I don't mind the police in the UK at all but then again if a copper did something like that in the UK he would be serving a lifetime sentence for murder.

You just don't get it, probably because you are Canadian.

 

[buckshot24]

Yes, he was acquitted because being cop while murdering is OK in the US.

I thought you didn't agree with the verdict.

I thought this was a bad shoot. I'm agnostic on the verdict. Here we have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be guilty of crimes. I didn't follow the trial so I don't know what was presented.

 

[buckshot24]

This is pretty much what i take from the video. There really is no 100% definitive proof to convict him of anything. Based on what we can see he says "stop reaching" etc. Thus implying he was reaching, otherwise you wouldnt bother to say that. I would not convict this cop based on that video. Its a shitty situation all around, but im not sending him to jail over this.

Agreed, 100%.

 

[Blue_Max]

2. Indeed it does and I'm glad you are finally admitting that you think shooting black innocent people is understandable since you think black people are scary and dangerous.

Putting words in my mouth and attacking that instead. Super classy!

A. "Innocent" is certainly debatable. You're implying most/all black people shot by evil, evil cops were poor, innocent victims. That's rarely the case.
B. "Scary and dangerous" was your implication, not mine. But they have a hand in their own reputations - dress gangsta' and act like a thug (again, regardless of colour) don't be surprised when treated as such.

3. Not in the US they are not, they are the bottom scraps from people who are not allowed to re-enlist mainly. The Army left a lot of idiots behind and they became police officers.

Would loooooove to see a citation for that claim.

 

[mizzou]

I'm really sickened at the turns this post has taken. It really underscores how far we are from actual rational discourse on matters of race and police.

Did everyone here watch the video? I cannot fathom any other conclusion than this: officer was perfectly civil and level-headed until he perceived that someone was reaching for a firearm that threatened his life and tried to direct them to stop. He was batshit terrified that his life was endangered, took decisive action, and was batshit horrified at what he was compelled to do. He wanted to part in killing someone who did not threaten his life.

Whether this was reasonable within the confines of his training and this the result simply a tragedy or whether he acted outside of this is something I can't definitively answer, but I can say there is no doubt he engaged in the encounter without intended malice.

Police work is inherently high risk. Sometimes following training leads to awful things. It seems likely Castille had no malice either, and his death is therefore tragic and unnecessary. But I work in another high risk field (medicine). I get that sometimes shit happens even when doing the right thing, even if doing the wrong thing might have prevented death. Is a surgeon who performs an elective surgery that followed their training properly a murderer because their patient died from post-op pneumonia?

Pretty much agree with you. people who jump to "cold blooded murder" when its a very questionable shooting are incorrect..even if its not intentional
There isnt any possibility this officer made an overt intention to murder in cold blood the driver. Now, did he mispercieve events and believe his life was in danger when your average cop wouldnt? thats the real question you have to answer and unfortunately its not clear cut

Saying he is 100% perfect or 100% a killer are teo extremes with no evidence to support either

 

[Puffnstuff]

I would really love to see some camera footage of the moments before the publicly released version to have a fuller sense of everything that transpired between him and the cops. If he'd not done anything wrong it would further justify legal action against the city. Not being privy to the testimony and evidence presented in the cops trial I truly cannot render an opinion on this shooting. The evidence from the cell phone camera suggests that he was wrongfully shot, however, the jury must of seen something that motivated them to acquit the cop.

 

[J.Wilkins]

I thought this was a bad shoot. I'm agnostic on the verdict. Here we have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be guilty of crimes. I didn't follow the trial so I don't know what was presented.

Gnostic from the Latin word gnosis refers specifically to knowledge about the existence of a God, you're using the word wrong.

He saw now gun but in his imagination he was at risk... I don't think this is a valid defence.