Proof black lives don't matter - the execution of Philando Castile (30 page TL;DR added to OP)

[Dr. Zaus]

This acquittal proves black lives don't matter - anyone who can't see that now is so racist they might as well defend a lynching.

I'm so angry about this... I want to burn this bigoted system to the ground: and I'm a middle classs white guy.

***** EDIT: TL;DR Thread Summary ****

Person 1: "I am against racial prejudice, but in favor of harmful preconceived opinions based on race"

Thread: That's the definition of Prejudice.

Person 1: "You just insulted me - harumph!"

Person 2: "I'm against racial bigotry, but in favor of being intolerant of people who experience the world in a way that's different from the way I do."

Thread: That's the definition of bigotry.

Person 2: "Are you calling me stupid! - I know words, YOU are stupid!"

Person 3: "I'm not in favor of dead black people, just in favor of policies and procedures which happen to lead to a disproportionate number of black people dying."

Thread: That's the definition of being in favor of dead black people.

Person 3: "What kind of racist shit is that, to assume just because it disproportionately affects black people that its because they are black that I want them dead! I don't even want them dead, I just accept that they will die."

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- the man had every legal right to have a gun (concealed carry permit) and not even the cop said he saw a gun (as was obvious from the girlfriend also being told not to reach for the gun).

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Homer J makes some fantastic points against those that say "black people deserve it, because other black people are violent"

Your contention is if we just behave and act like the white man things would be equitable. Since blacks are more violent what do you expect?

1. So blacks are inherently more violent? I'm an upper middle class black man and I can assure you my demographic does not commit violent crime at a rate disproportionate to other upper middle class races.

2. Someone in this thread already mentioned the pot arrest/conviction statistics. Your justification, blacks are more violent so what do you people expect?

3. I've already posted earlier target shooting tests were performed. Participants were shown to shoot at black targets quicker then white targets.

4. This article discuss other bias tests including racial bias.

http://time.com/4398505/implicit-association-racism-test/

5. I've also already posted evidence police departments were targeting blacks by pushing "black" silhouettes. They also used black mugshots as targets. This is reminiscent of a popular carnival game played in the 19th and 20th century called African Dodger. For 5 cents carnival goers could "shoot the my excellent compatriot" or "shoot the ni**er"'. It was very popular.

6. I posted a youtube clip of a black/white open carry test. Results speak for themselves. Your response, "oh that's just anecdotal"

7. The black man killed in a Walmart was carrying a BB gun was killed by police in a state that allows open carry. His only crime? Buying a gun while black. Hmmm, he seemed to be "acting white"

8. An unarmed black man shot in a gas station parking lot. His crime? Complying to an officers request for ID. Hmmm, seemed to be acting white.

Did you ever notice in criminal trials no lawyer is allowed to say, "the defendant is black and those people are more violent so that means guilt is more likely"? It would be grounds for a mistrial. I wonder why? Because it would be textbook racial bias. Overt bias thereby easy to prove. According to you that bias is part of the criminal justice system. You are also implying since black people don't know how to behave or "act like white people" its ok. Again textbook institutional racism.

 

[Zivic]

monday morning / armchair quarterback

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

That was an incredibly depressing verdict, yet again. I understand and respect what cops have to do on a daily basis, however, that should not excuse actions like this, or many others. I'll trot out this old meme, it's a very valid point.

 

[happy medium]

when a cop says don't reach for a gun, YOU DON'T REACH FOR IT!

 

[woolfe9998]

I'm still having trouble unpacking what happened here. You can't see what Castile physically did in the seconds right before the cop opened fire. Was he reaching for his gun or not? The girlfriend said afterwards that he was reaching for his identification, but didn't he already give the officer that before stating that he had a gun? Yet it also makes no sense that Castile would tell the officer he had a gun, then reach for it. If he had meant to reach for the gun in order to shoot the officer, he wouldn't have told him he had it first. I wonder if Castile intended to hand his gun over to the officer and was reaching for it for that reason.

This was just tragic.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

monday morning / armchair quarterback

Right - so many other ways to murder a man for legally owning a fire arm.

I'm still having trouble unpacking what happened here. You can't see what Castile physically did in the seconds right before the cop opened fire. Was he reaching for his gun or not? The girlfriend said afterwards that he was reaching for his identification, but didn't he already give the officer that before stating that he had a gun? Yet it also makes no sense that Castile would tell the officer he had a gun, then reach for it. If he had meant to reach for the gun in order to shoot the officer, he wouldn't have told him he had it first. This was just tragic.

The murderer said Philando didn't care about the four-year-old who was in the car because he was willing to expose her to second hand marajuana smoke.

No one shoots someone while high on marajuana - they just react slowly.

Unless you think black people are murder-apes who fall into slow, respectful, kill-rages when they smoke some weed.

It takes forceful bigotry to assume a black person acting respectfully and calm is going to tell you about a gun then shoot you with it.

It takes even more intense bigotry to see such an execution and say "black guy done screwed up."

If folks can't see that - then they are like the white people who said "I'm not racist, but what's so bad about the back of the bus"?

Totally blind to the ethnic cleansing of black Americans they are enabling.

 

[FelixDeCat]

So a jury of the policeman's peers determined he was not guilty and you want to burn things based on your assumptions?

wow

 

[Dr. Zaus]

So a jury of the policeman's peers determined he was not guilty and you want to burn things based on your assumptions?

wow

No - I want to burn the system down for being the one in which such a jury could see this tape and determine the killer was not guilty.

But you want to ignore the problems in the system that lead to a man being killed in cold blood in front of a child - because?

 

[zzyzxroad]

Right - so many other ways to murder a man for legally owning a fire arm.



The murderer said Philando didn't care about the four-year-old who was in the car because he was willing to expose her to second hand marajuana smoke.

No one shoots someone while high on marajuana - they just react slowly.

Unless you think black people are murder-apes who fall into slow, respectful, kill-rages when they smoke some weed.

It takes forceful bigotry to assume a black person acting respectfully and calm is going to tell you about a gun then shoot you with it.

It takes even more intense bigotry to see such an execution and say "black guy done screwed up."

If folks can't see that - then they are like the white people who said "I'm not racist, but what's so bad about the back of the bus"?

Totally blind to the ethnic cleansing of black Americans they are enabling.

I'm not up to speed on this case but just watched the video and what a tragedy. The video however didn't have a lot of answer for me. Why do you think the cop acted out of fear based of the drivers race?

 

[FelixDeCat]

No - I want to burn the system down for being the one in which such a jury could see this tape and determine the killer was not guilty. But you want to ignore the problems in the system that lead to a man being killed in cold blood in front of a child - because?

At the 30 second mark you can see the policeman looking at the drivers license that was handed to him. The driver said he had a gun next and was reaching for it despite being told several times not to. HOWEVER he may have been innocently trying to give it to the policeman, but if it were me, I would not do that being that cops are trained to react instantly to the site of me holding a gun.

 

[woolfe9998]

Right - so many other ways to murder a man for legally owning a fire arm.



The murderer said Philando didn't care about the four-year-old who was in the car because he was willing to expose her to second hand marajuana smoke.

No one shoots someone while high on marajuana - they just react slowly.

Unless you think black people are murder-apes who fall into slow, respectful, kill-rages when they smoke some weed.

It takes forceful bigotry to assume a black person acting respectfully and calm is going to tell you about a gun then shoot you with it.

It takes even more intense bigotry to see such an execution and say "black guy done screwed up."

If folks can't see that - then they are like the white people who said "I'm not racist, but what's so bad about the back of the bus"?

Totally blind to the ethnic cleansing of black Americans they are enabling.

Are you telling me that it doesn't matter one way or another whether Castile was physically reaching for the firearm at the time the officer fired? You haven't addressed that issue.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Because it makes sense that a man would respectfully inform you that he owns and firearm and then rummage around for a) the gun registration b) the gun to kill you with



The black man never had a firearm in his hand - The cop didn't even claimed that he ever saw a firearm - In fact he threatened to kill the woman too, as he didn't know where the fire arm was.

Only a societal will to support ethnic cleansing can explain how a respectful and responsible gun owner ends up executed - and his executioner acquitted.

 

[zzyzxroad]

At the 30 second mark you can see the policeman looking at the drivers license that was handed to him. The driver said he had a gun next and was reaching for it despite being told several times not to. HOWEVER he may have been innocently trying to give it to the policeman, but if it were me, I would not do that being that cops are trained to react instantly to the site of me holding a gun.

Where was the gun found? Was it were he was reaching? If he was just handed his I'd back he may have been reaching for his wallet to put it away.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

How many Blacks are killed each year by police officers vs. how many are killed each year by their own race?

After you answer that question you might realize that certain "issues" might be blown out of proportion while other issues are ignored or excused.

 

[woolfe9998]

Because it makes sense that a man would respectfully inform you that he owns and firearm and then rummage around for a) the gun registration b) the gun to kill you with



The black man never had a firearm in his hand - The cop didn't even claimed that he ever saw a firearm - In fact he threatened to kill the woman too, as he didn't know where the fire arm was.

Only a will to support ethnic cleansing can explain how a respectful and responsible gun owner ends up executed - and his executioner acquitted.

So you think the officer shot Castile in order to reduce the number of black people in America? It seems an extreme interpretation of these events, but hey, you're entitled to that opinion.

 

[woolfe9998]

How many Blacks are killed each year by police officers vs. how many are killed each year by their own race?

After you answer that question you might realize that certain "issues" might be blown out of proportion while other issues are ignored or excused.

The number of black people shot by other black people has little if any bearing on whether a given shooting by a police officer of a black person was justified or not.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

when a cop says don't reach for a gun, YOU DON'T REACH FOR IT!

When a cop says don't reach for a gun while demanding that the same person reach for an ID something has to give. How exactly does a person legally carrying a gun manage to produce his drivers license without getting shot? If the guy refused to move the cop probably would have gunned him down for that too.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

How many Blacks are killed each year by police officers vs. how many are killed each year by their own race?

After you answer that question you might realize that certain "issues" might be blown out of proportion while other issues are ignored or excused.

Hi, welcome to this thread, which is about the recent verdict of a cop who shot a man, who was allegedly (he's dead, we'll never know) reaching for a gun during an interaction with a police officer. Your topic is the ever increasing epidemic of African American's killing other African Americans.
Can you tell the difference between those two topics?
If not, our friendly customer support will be glad to assist you further in this dilemma.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

The number of black people shot by other black people has little if any bearing on whether a given shooting by a police officer of a black person was justified or not.

It certainly does when the OP wants to make this about whether or not "Black Lives Matter."

If Black people want to pretend that Black lives matter then they need to stop killing each other or else their cries seem rather disingenuous.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Hi, welcome to this thread, which is about the recent verdict of a cop who shot a man, who was allegedly (he's dead, we'll never know) reaching for a gun during an interaction with a police officer. Your topic is the ever increasing epidemic of African American's killing other African Americans.
Can you tell the difference between those two topics?
If not, our friendly customer support will be glad to assist you further in this dilemma.

Whoosh.

Another who doesn't get it. No surprise. Bury your head in the sand. Maintain that blindered focus and keep your eye only on authority, as if that's the sole, or largest, problem regarding murder in the Black community.

 

[Jaskalas]

No - I want to burn the system down for being the one in which such a jury could see this tape and determine the killer was not guilty.

I watched that video, and I cannot see the evidence of the victim's movements. This video does not provide what is required. The situation remains potential murder or self defense and we have no way to make that call.

You are entombing the notion of guilty until proven innocent. When innocence would be justified by a split second movement inside the vehicle, beyond our sight. We cannot be the judges of that. There is NOTHING to base it on.

What we can do is focus on finding policy that stops these deadly scenarios from happening in the first place.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

It certainly does when the OP wants to make this about whether or not "Black Lives Matter."

If Black people want to pretend that Black lives matter then they need to stop killing each other or else their cries seem rather disingenuous.

Negativarino, there big guy. BLM is more than capable of taking on both tasks and individually as well. What you seem to be going back to is a wholly different matter, and solution, if there can ever be such a thing.
This is about law enforcement and their tendency to be a bit more lethal forcey kinda with black citizens than they are with, not-black citizens.
See the difference?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Whoosh.

Another who doesn't get it. No surprise. Bury your head in the sand. Maintain that blindered focus and keep your eye only on authority, as if that's the sole problem in the Black community.

Well, it's not the only problem, but this one is a bit out of their control.
This thread -- law enforcement's liberal use of lethal force on African Americans on a much higher rate than other races
Your thread (if created) - discussion and debate of Black on Black crime, specifically murder

Whoosh indeed.

 

[Victorian Gray]

How many Blacks are killed each year by police officers vs. how many are killed each year by their own race?

After you answer that question you might realize that certain "issues" might be blown out of proportion while other issues are ignored or excused.

Want to discuss a different issue? Feel free to start another thread.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Want to discuss a different issue? Feel free to start another thread.

It's not a different issue. The primary title of this thread is "Proof black lives don't matter." I am pointing out that it seems a bit targeted and biased to make that claim. Sorry you don't like that claim, and that it apparently makes you uncomfortable, but it is perfectly on topic. So deal with it homey.