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Proof : ATI?s X800 Tri is much better than NV?s 6800 Bri.
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This is the most ridiculous thread in a long time. Anyone rational can see the following:
1) ATi and Nvidia's products are almost dead even in performance this round.
2) ATi and Nvidia's products are almost dead even in IQ this round.
That really IS 'nuff said. All this fanboying and arguin in forums doesn't change what the benchmarks are saying, which is listed above. Good day, and good riddance.
1) ATi and Nvidia's products are almost dead even in performance this round.
2) ATi and Nvidia's products are almost dead even in IQ this round.
That really IS 'nuff said. All this fanboying and arguin in forums doesn't change what the benchmarks are saying, which is listed above. Good day, and good riddance.
Hey it?s nothing personal. CaiNaM is a smart dude and I have a lot of respect for him. I just happen to disagree with the shot he posted. Like I say, I?ve researched the issue extensively and ATI?s X800 Tri does not produce mipmaps like that. No one to date that I?m aware of has produced (confirmed reproducible) ) shots showing mipmaps on the X800 adaptive-Tri.
OfficerDoofey
Member
🙂
how is that? you'll have to elaborate so i can try and answer... as for sides, i'm only on the side of accuracy - not nv or ati.
my point has been both cards use texture filtering "optimizations", and neither card (while both are very good) is perfect. i'm not sure how that's inaccurate....
not identical, but similar (i just took this in the same vicinity), using the same aa/af setting and driver (cat 4.5). you can see in this shot the texture filtering of the 9800p blends much better than the x800p as it actually blends - there's not direct line.
http://www.darkvengeance.net/test/sshot022.jpg
when playing, while moving there's a bit of 'shimmer' in the blend area, but it doesn't stand out like the distinct line shown using the x800pro.
lol im sorry this sudden bout of denial gave me a good laugh
Seriously, like everyone has already said in 1000 threads, both companies have neck and neck perf and virtually identical IQ, so either is a perfectly fine choice. That leaves things open so that we can decide which card we want based on other things, like features or power consumption or whatever you think is that much nicer. This is a great generation for the consumer, and a pretty bad generation to be an unyielding fanboy. Of course, there's never really a good time to be one, either. 🙂
...I can just see blastman saying this then promptly slamming his head into the sand like an ostrich, to make sure he doesn't see anything that might disagree with his position...:laugh:
Seriously, like everyone has already said in 1000 threads, both companies have neck and neck perf and virtually identical IQ, so either is a perfectly fine choice. That leaves things open so that we can decide which card we want based on other things, like features or power consumption or whatever you think is that much nicer. This is a great generation for the consumer, and a pretty bad generation to be an unyielding fanboy. Of course, there's never really a good time to be one, either. 🙂
OfficerDoofey
Member
at least if your a fanboy your decision as to which next generation card your gonna get it considerably easier 😉 lol
Does anyone know where I can download a free demo of that darkvengeance?
CaiNaM,?..is there a possibility the settings in the game on the first shot weren?t correct? That first shot still looks like bilinear to me. There was a case (I think at nvnews) where someone posted a shot of ATI?s adaptive-Tri supposedly showing mipmaps in COD. It turned out that when they re-installed the ATI drivers, the in-game Bilinear/Trilinear settings defaulted/reset back to Bilinear.
CaiNaM,?..is there a possibility the settings in the game on the first shot weren?t correct? That first shot still looks like bilinear to me. There was a case (I think at nvnews) where someone posted a shot of ATI?s adaptive-Tri supposedly showing mipmaps in COD. It turned out that when they re-installed the ATI drivers, the in-game Bilinear/Trilinear settings defaulted/reset back to Bilinear.
i'm afraid not... it is what it is. it's all controlled from the cp, there's no in game settings for aa/af.
painkiller is fine, and for the most part so is far cry (lil 'shimmer'). it certainly is possible ati's drivers are messed up regarding this game, however it's done this thru 3 driver revisions (the shipping 4.6 which came with the card, the 4.6b, and now 4.7b).
i doesn't do it on the 9800p. haven't checked the 9700p, just got it back from rma.. not sure if i put it back in my other gaming rig or sell it...
oh.. heh. the game is 'dark age of camelot' (mmorpg), and if you have broadband, you can download a 7 day trial (click the link). not sure if it will show the same thing, as the graphics engine is a bit older than the current one which comes with the 'trials of atlantis' expansion pack.
Shamrock
Golden Member
and we also have the ATI hypocrites showing their faces too, now that ATI has cheats as well, yet you now praise them, when NV card owners were preached at for 18 freaking months! about how NV lowered IQ, now ATI does it, youre fine with it?
Now who's hypocritical? SHoe's on the other foot, and it's not wearing well is it?
I'd say it's LIKELY that it's the drivers at fault here, given it works fine on Painkiller and mostly on Far Cry. Test out some demos (UT2K4) and see if they behave the same. If not it seems obviously driver-related or possibly game-related. You should report it to ATI at the very least. I mean, they did ask for people to contact them if people found any lowering of IQ with this adaptive-tri algo.
I have a few shots of Bilinear/Trilinear on my 9600XT from the COD (demo) and SOF II. Both have an in-game setting for Bi/Tri. I tried to pick a good spot where the bilinear really shows.
9600XT-COD-Bilinear
9600XT-COD-Trilinear
9600XT-COD-Bilinear-8AF
9600XT-SOF2-Bilinear
9600XT-SOF2-Trilinear
As you can see the adaptive-Trilinear does an excellent job on the mipmaps. In fact, it does such a good job there really isn?t any reason to want to go back to the ? ?old? ? way of doing Trilinear. You get ~ a 5-10% (?) performance increase with no IQ drop at all.
A few notes:
If you set Trilinear in the ATI control panel --you only get Trilinear on the first texture stage and Bilinear after that. The only way to get Trilinear on all texture stages is to set the ATI control panel to ? ?application preference? ? and set Trilinear in the game. It?s possible this is what you are seeing in DAOC is -- Tri/Bi/Bi/..etc. ?.because Tri is being forced through the ATI control panel. Apparently NV is now doing this in their latest drivers too. AF usually pushes back the mipmaps into the background somewhat and does a pretty good job of blending them. If you don?t have AF on you ?may? see the first Bilinear mipmap in some games.
In the COD shot with 8AF even the Bilinear mipmaps boundaries are very hard to spot except for a ?bit? of texture aliasing along them when moving.
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9600XT-COD-Bilinear
9600XT-COD-Trilinear
9600XT-COD-Bilinear-8AF
9600XT-SOF2-Bilinear
9600XT-SOF2-Trilinear
As you can see the adaptive-Trilinear does an excellent job on the mipmaps. In fact, it does such a good job there really isn?t any reason to want to go back to the ? ?old? ? way of doing Trilinear. You get ~ a 5-10% (?) performance increase with no IQ drop at all.
A few notes:
If you set Trilinear in the ATI control panel --you only get Trilinear on the first texture stage and Bilinear after that. The only way to get Trilinear on all texture stages is to set the ATI control panel to ? ?application preference? ? and set Trilinear in the game. It?s possible this is what you are seeing in DAOC is -- Tri/Bi/Bi/..etc. ?.because Tri is being forced through the ATI control panel. Apparently NV is now doing this in their latest drivers too. AF usually pushes back the mipmaps into the background somewhat and does a pretty good job of blending them. If you don?t have AF on you ?may? see the first Bilinear mipmap in some games.
In the COD shot with 8AF even the Bilinear mipmaps boundaries are very hard to spot except for a ?bit? of texture aliasing along them when moving.
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