Project Looking Glass, from Sun **EDIT: Now a flamewar on UIs, come on in!**
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Maybe it's 5+ years down the line. Still, it's a good step in the right direction. When I look at Longhorn I see nothing good. All I see is more control and more useless features that don't change the way desktops work. Not like this does, or OSX did.
The rise of OSX showed people that there were better way to do things.
Chaotic42
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Somewhat. I downloaded Staroffice for Linux a few years ago. I wasn't impressed. My roomate at the time said it took something like 14 hours on his 333 to compile. For word processing I have MS Works that came with something I bought 4 or 5 years ago.
Originally posted by: pray4mojo
Unless someone can tell me how I can watch realplayer videos on wmp, I guess I won't be watching this.
Easily, search google (or bit torrent) for Real Player alternative and you should find one that allows you to use real filters with WMP classic. Streaming does work with this.
CrackRabbit
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Very awesome stuff, I fully expect MS to copy the technology to the letter and throw it into Longorn 2009 or some crap like that...
CrackRabbit
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you have zero idea whats coming in longhorn, everything that has been in the press is total heresay and speculation.
Or maybe because Microsoft hasn't fundamentally changed the way that an OS has worked since Windows 95, released 9 years ago? I don't think anyone expects anything huge and Microsoft's track record for the past decade would seem to go alogn with that. Win2K was technologically a huge jump from NT 4 but didn't change much to the end-user. XP has nothing that 2K and a few third-party programs couldn't do. None of Microsoft's products have changed anything significant in several years now. And with the situation MS is in, there is not much of a need to spend money redoing UIs either.
Anubis
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looks badass but its similar to that MS thing that was posted teh other day that was about a 3d desktop thingie
Great argument.
Wait and see............
I would think that MS of all companies would see the need to continue being innovation. They also need to get people interested in what they have planned.
If MS is doing stuff that is so great then why don't they clue the public in? They keep having press conferences and stuff about Longhorn and mentioning all these great features that are coming. Then they list some of the stuff. Everything they list is pretty boring and useless.
Don't be a moron. If you know nothing of Longhorn, then say nothing about it. There are many, many fundamental changes coming in Longhorn; all of which are beyond the scope of a single post and probably not of interest to you. Some things to get you started if you're actually interested in educating yourself: Avalon, XAML, Monad, Indigo. Monad is going to own, imo.
UNCjigga
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Hello McFly?? Ever heard of GDI?? Its the outdated 2D graphics engine that's been defining what we see in Windows since version 3.1?? Memo: MS is throwing it out and switching to a 3D rendering engine (similar to Aqua on OS X.) It will totally redefine how we interact with the OS. Example: they can get rid of 2d icons. Icons instead could be 3D objects. Hover over one with your mouse and it can start spinning or blow up in size or have some other transformation occur. How about a virtual 3000x3000 desktop with true vector panning and zooming (i.e. no loss of detail??)
The fact is we don't know what MS is planning for this graphics engine (codename Avalon?) since MS is keeping it under tight wraps. But we do know the next release will be a significant break from what we first saw in Windows 95. I've only described the graphics/interface. Combine that with a new object-oriented file system, Indigo networking structure and other technologies and you've got a major release. I've heard that a lot of the "new" technology is based on the way Linux/Unix works, but for the mainstream PC it should be just as revolutionary as OS X was for the Mac.
dont bother with him hes a complete eye candy whore if he doesn't see little graphics flying around he doesnt know that there is a difference. to name a few giant progressions made in windows you can look at features such as direct x, wmp, IE, the NT thread pool, security subsystems, filesystems improvements, load balancings and management services in the server sku, hardware compatibility and optimization, .NET Frameworks, etc.
Elemental007 when you actually know something about Operating Systems we can talk , but until you do shut you fvckin dumb n00b mouth.
Elemental007 when you actually know something about Operating Systems we can talk , but until you do shut you fvckin dumb n00b mouth.
Did you seem to ignore the fact that I mentioned 'user experience?'
I specifically said:
I was specifically talking about the way the user interacts with the OS. I am not doubting that Win2K had 50 million improvements upon NT4, because it did. I am just saying that the user interface has not changed significantly since Win95. Why do you seem to warp people's posts into something virtually totally unrelated?
This thread was not about the technology behind OSes, nor their stability/security/etc. It was about the way a secretary would organize her work while she has Outlook, Word, Internet Explorer, mainframe software, etc., all open at once. She doesn't give a flyign fsck about the HAL or NTFS or the load-balancing on the servers that are routing her email. Which was exactly what that Project Looking Glass video demonstrated.
What necesitates a chance in an interface if it's currently used by milions? IMO, the horribly lacking facet of Windows as a server was its CLI, and this is going to be completely changed with Monad in Longhorn. Should we change the driver's interface in a car simply because it's been the same since the late 19th century? To completely update an interface would be to frustrate every end-user that currently uses Windows.
Since you updated your post I'll reply again.
The vast majority of users do NOT want a change. You have employees all over the world who memorize their daily functions by keystrokes; if you change even a single thing you're left with irate users who have to relearn their process. This would be a huge cost to the enterprise, so it's much to MS' benefit not to thrust macro changes in the interfaces upon the end-user on a frequent basis.
That is a horrible analogy, just utterly horrible.
There really aren't better ways to operate a motor vehicle, at least not without giving you more information to process and thus distract you from the road and lead to an increase of accidents. There ARE better ways to do user interfaces. Just look at what OSX did to hundreds of thousands of Windows uers. They didn't seem to have a problem.
If what you're saying is true, then why did we progress from command line OSes? OH GOD, PEOPLE HAVE TO LEARN TO DO SOMETHING NEW!! We should *never* progress if the current is adequete, right? But in the end the move to (2D) GUIs helped people become more productive.
Computing has only existed in it's current state for less than ten years. Do you really think there is going to be no change again?
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