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[Fanatical Meat]

This question isn't for our more conservative or libertarian members.
Looks like most of the big money, big PAC money, military money and hawks are lining up to support Hillary. Seems like Bush Senior is ready to endorse Hillary, for the record I think Bush Senior is a good guy he just wasn't the right guy for his time in office.
Person all I find the money lining up and establishment people lining up pretty embarrassing and borderline disgraceful for the Democratic Party. The more progressive elements have been pushed aside.
What are your thoughts?

 

[HomerJS]

As long her answer is like Regan gave Log Cabin Republicans. They are signing onto my agenda I'm not signing onto theirs.

 

[theeedude]

I don't find it disgraceful at all, as a Democrat. There are some things that are of national interest to prevent, a Trump presidency is one of those things. Conservatives don't want to live in a country run by a bigoted buffoon either. I am sure as soon as Trump is defeated, they'll have the long knives out for Hillary.
Also, until Citizens United is repealed by the SCOTUS after Hillary appoints a new justice or Kennedy comes to his senses, it's not money, it's "free speech."

 

[glenn1]

Thoughts about what? Progressive elements of the Democratic party being pushed aside, or money donors focusing their dollars on Clinton, or money=speech generally?

As far as "establishment lining up" the Democratic Party is the establishment, so I don't know why you're concerned. Do you have this romantic Sanders inspired notion the Democratic Party at large is some counter-establishment insurgency against some fantasy rich guy who's all that's holding you back from your otherwise rightfully earned achievements in this world?

 

[Jhhnn]

This question isn't for our more conservative or libertarian members.
Looks like most of the big money, big PAC money, military money and hawks are lining up to support Hillary. Seems like Bush Senior is ready to endorse Hillary, for the record I think Bush Senior is a good guy he just wasn't the right guy for his time in office.
Person all I find the money lining up and establishment people lining up pretty embarrassing and borderline disgraceful for the Democratic Party. The more progressive elements have been pushed aside.
What are your thoughts?

Please. If you think more progressive elements have been pushed aside you haven't read the platform & you haven't really listened. The other side of it is competence, something Trump clearly lacks & something that business leaders see as crucial. That's the real difference between this election & all others since 1964.

 

[sportage]

You see it, you can feel it. A lot of republicans are shocked and dismayed that their party went with Trump.
Democrats may be disappointed with Hillary, bored and unexcited, but democrats are not shocked by Hillary. Republicans are shocked by Trump, many of them.
And those that support Trump are like totally delusional. They either hate Hillary that much, or feel its all about the court i.e. limiting/banning abortion, limiting/eliminating marriage equality, eliminating Obamacare.
With a huge dose of race hate tossed in.
And the Obamacare thing is strange because do they really hate Obamacare that much, or the fact a Black president did it? I think its the Black president thing.

And what can one say about Trump manager Kellyanne Conway?
I have to hand it to her, Kellyanne Conway created the "spin".
She is the grand master.
Watching her defend Donald Trump is so painful.
I just have this feeling at some point, probably after they lose, Kellyanne Conway will have a total nervous breakdown. She will probably leave politics entirely and become a Nun.
Kellyanne reminds me of Bonnie Parker of Bonnie and Clyde, that is if Bonnie Parker had a soul.
Kellyanne Conway knows what she is doing, has done is an unholy alliance that she must dearly pay for, one day.
But for now Kellyanne Conway, like with Bonnie Parker, keeps robbing the banks and killing the cops.
So to speak....

 

[theeedude]

I think business leaders also realize that the status quo is unsustainable, in terms of things like wealth distribution, tax avoidance, and corporate power (Citizens United, etc). The pendulum is so far to the right that it will swing the other way. So the choice they have is Democratic party which will move things the other way in an orderly and predictable fashion, or a Republican party that is completely oblivious and intransigent, still peddling same old trickle down that is no longer politically sustainable.

 

[Sonikku]

Your options in this country are Conservative Lite or Full on Nutter Butters Conservative. The elite back both sides to ensure their agenda wins regardless of how the chips fall. Trump represents himself which as a job offshoring billionaire is the same thing, the difference is that Hillary can better sell the middle class on policies in contrary to their own interests better than Trump could. Hence the support. Trump just makes the mass pillaging of the middle class far too obvious. Not a shred of subtly at all.

 

[Moonbeam]

Thoughts about what? Progressive elements of the Democratic party being pushed aside, or money donors focusing their dollars on Clinton, or money=speech generally?

As far as "establishment lining up" the Democratic Party is the establishment, so I don't know why you're concerned. Do you have this romantic Sanders inspired notion the Democratic Party at large is some counter-establishment insurgency against some fantasy rich guy who's all that's holding you back from your otherwise rightfully earned achievements in this world?

I find it amusing to hear you use the words fantasy rich guy and rightfully earned achievements in the same sentence, but then, you are a deeply brainwashed person so it figures you'd find appeal in the delusions of those born on third base. You poor sick self-congratulatory freak.

 

[dank69]

It's pretty simple really. Trump would destroy the economy for everyone, in a manner so unpredictable even the wealthy wouldn't be able to take advantage of it.

 

[theeedude]

Plus you have to look over the longer term. What happens in 2020 if Trump wins. There could be an anti-Republican wave in 2020, and whoever wins at state level in 2020 will control redistricting and could wipe out the Republican advantage there for 10 years. House is the one with the purse that big business cares about.

 

[HomerJS]

It's pretty simple really. Trump would destroy the economy for everyone, in a manner so unpredictable even the wealthy wouldn't be able to take advantage of it.

He would ensure his companies make money on his Presidency. His family is already profiting off the election

 

[ivwshane]

If your party is dying at the hands of one man what would you do?

If you are running against a candidate who gets a shit ton of press for free, what would you do?

If you feel so strongly that your opponent is really, really, really bad for America and that's not just political speak, what would you do?

You would do anything you can to stop him and that means committing the ultimate Republican sin, you vote for the Democrat and hope your party survives to come back in the next election.

You take whatever money you can get to run counter ads to try and dilute the presses coverage of him.

It means you put on your big boy pants and you team up with those you wouldn't normally play with and you beat the threat.

OP, you are looking at this from an ordinary election perspective, this is no ordinary election.

When bush won I didn't think to myself that our democracy was going to end or that our identity as a country was going to fundamentally change and I didn't think that about McCain or about Romney. Instead I figured we'd just have more of the same with the same crappy results and more money leaving the poor and middle class. With trump, not only do I see that but see a resurgence of racism and hate in this country and a very good chance of an even bigger war than the ones we are currently in.

Basically I feel that everything the right has complained about and lobbied accusations about Obama will actually happen under a trump presidency and I say this as someone who doesn't like to use hyperbole.

 

[retrospooty]

This question isn't for our more conservative or libertarian members.
Looks like most of the big money, big PAC money, military money and hawks are lining up to support Hillary. Seems like Bush Senior is ready to endorse Hillary, for the record I think Bush Senior is a good guy he just wasn't the right guy for his time in office.
Person all I find the money lining up and establishment people lining up pretty embarrassing and borderline disgraceful for the Democratic Party. The more progressive elements have been pushed aside.
What are your thoughts?

What is your point, the dems are corrupt? Of course they are. So are the reps. Both sides rob us blind and keep us fighting with each other as if they are teaching a masterclass on "divide and conquer...

The only real difference between the two parties is that the republicans want partial control of your mind, your soul, your genitals and your wallet, and the democrats just want total control of your wallet. I don't know which is worse.

 

[Roflmouth]

If your party is dying at the hands of one man what would you do?

If you are running against a candidate who gets a shit ton of press for free, what would you do?

If you feel so strongly that your opponent is really, really, really bad for America and that's not just political speak, what would you do?

You would do anything you can to stop him and that means committing the ultimate Republican sin, you vote for the Democrat and hope your party survives to come back in the next election.

You take whatever money you can get to run counter ads to try and dilute the presses coverage of him.

It means you put on your big boy pants and you team up with those you wouldn't normally play with and you beat the threat.

OP, you are looking at this from an ordinary election perspective, this is no ordinary election.

When bush won I didn't think to myself that our democracy was going to end or that our identity as a country was going to fundamentally change and I didn't think that about McCain or about Romney. Instead I figured we'd just have more of the same with the same crappy results and more money leaving the poor and middle class. With trump, not only do I see that but see a resurgence of racism and hate in this country and a very good chance of an even bigger war than the ones we are currently in.

Basically I feel that everything the right has complained about and lobbied accusations about Obama will actually happen under a trump presidency and I say this as someone who doesn't like to use hyperbole.

And Trump thanks you for continuing to say this

 

[ivwshane]

And Trump thanks you for continuing to say this

Probably. Because most narcissistic ego maniacs tend to look at anything said about them as a positive, even when it isn't. Trumps cult followers do the same. Questioning their leader isn't allowed.

 

[Jhhnn]

I think business leaders also realize that the status quo is unsustainable, in terms of things like wealth distribution, tax avoidance, and corporate power (Citizens United, etc). The pendulum is so far to the right that it will swing the other way. So the choice they have is Democratic party which will move things the other way in an orderly and predictable fashion, or a Republican party that is completely oblivious and intransigent, still peddling same old trickle down that is no longer politically sustainable.

I think you're partially right. The financial elite is not monolithic- there are factions & competing interests within. Some seem to realize that the whole thing has been destabilized by going too far in their favor. If nothing else, the Trump candidacy shows that to be true.