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"Progressive" Lawmaker Wants Presumed Organ Donation Consent

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I'm sure many people don't sign up for donating because of apathy rather than some principle. The same people won't opt out of donating.
 
Hacp said:
So a girl gets raped and murdered, no rights huh? 🙄
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What are you possibly trying to say here? Of course the dead person has no rights. Her estate has some rights as long as it exists, but dead people have no rights. I suspect you might be arguing something like a right to justice or some other such sentimental nonsense. I hope not, so I'm not going to prop it up as a straw man and argue against it. Could you clarify your intent?
 
This is pretty lame. They should not just take peoples organs to donate, the way it is now is fine. Opt In if you are ok donating. I for instance have the little donor sticker on my license, I have no problem donating my organs. I don't know who would want them, but they can have them when I'm done with them. The thing is that's MY choice to make not some politicians.
 
nonlnear said:
What are you possibly trying to say here? Of course the dead person has no rights. Her estate has some rights as long as it exists, but dead people have no rights. I suspect you might be arguing something like a right to justice or some other such sentimental nonsense. I hope not, so I'm not going to prop it up as a straw man and argue against it. Could you clarify your intent?
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An estate isn't alive. Why does an estate, which is just as alive as a dead person have rights?
 
bfdd said:
This is pretty lame. They should not just take peoples organs to donate, the way it is now is fine. Opt In if you are ok donating. I for instance have the little donor sticker on my license, I have no problem donating my organs. I don't know who would want them, but they can have them when I'm done with them. The thing is that's MY choice to make not some politicians.
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NO! The government owns you once you die. It can violate your dead body in any manner it wants. Post nude pics of your dead body? Have people rape and savage the body? All a resounding yes!
 
bfdd said:
This is pretty lame. They should not just take peoples organs to donate, the way it is now is fine. Opt In if you are ok donating. I for instance have the little donor sticker on my license, I have no problem donating my organs. I don't know who would want them, but they can have them when I'm done with them. The thing is that's MY choice to make not some politicians.
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Yes it is your choice, that's why you have the ability to opt out. But why would the default be opting out?

If you are minding your own business driving down the street and see someone trapped in a burning car, you have an obligation to help, no opting out of saving a life. This law wouldn't even go that far, because it lets you opt out of saving someone's life
 
bfdd said:
This is pretty lame. They should not just take peoples organs to donate, the way it is now is fine. Opt In if you are ok donating. I for instance have the little donor sticker on my license, I have no problem donating my organs. I don't know who would want them, but they can have them when I'm done with them. The thing is that's MY choice to make not some politicians.
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Hacp said:
NO! The government owns you once you die. It can violate your dead body in any manner it wants. Post nude pics of your dead body? Have people rape and savage the body? All a resounding yes!
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You still have a choice: opt out if you wish.
 
Hacp said:
An estate isn't alive. Why does an estate, which is just as alive as a dead person have rights?
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It has an interest" to execute the will. The rationale is not much different from the reason why a corporation has legal rights. Did you really intend to go into the whole "only people should have rights" thing? It's quite a boring discussion.

And you still didn't answer: what exactly was the point of your "raped and murdered" thing? I just don't see any connection to the discussion at hand.
 
bfdd said:
No you don't understand. It is MY body I make the choice BEFORE HAND not to SHARE my body PERIOD it is MINE regardless if I die or not. So the option shouldn't be out it should stay the way it is in.
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It is a nice concept but it often doesn't happen. The cases from funeral homes that re-sell body parts without anyone knowing are endless.
Huge market even for dead parts.
 
Modelworks said:
It is a nice concept but it often doesn't happen. The cases from funeral homes that re-sell body parts without anyone knowing are endless.
Huge market even for dead parts.
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Makes you wonder if those "closed casket" funerals even have a body in them at all. 😀
 
Hacp said:
I have a novel idea. How about we let people sell their rights to their own dam organs? Then government won't have to steal it.
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Ah, knew we could count on you to support the insane idea of commercializing organs. Need next month's rent check? Sell your spleen! It's the American way!
 
This has been shown to dramatically increase Donor Organs. If people have Religious or other reasons not to Donate their Organs, it is simple to Opt Out. No big deal.
 
I don't want my organs donated and never will donate them. It should be a clear option to either say yes or no. No opting in or opting out without the OFFICIAL YES OR NO from the person.
 
I am not a big fan of the "automatically opted in" bullshit but they let the banks do it and assrape consumers with fees, at least this actually helps people.
 
MotF Bane said:
WOW! That's a shocking conclusion. 🙄
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It is, except for not the reasons you may think. Fact is, most people have no problem Donating their Organs if you ask them, but having them Opt In to a Donation Program introduces a Dilemna that prevents most people from following through.
 
Tristicus said:
And if for some reason someone misses the option and they are opted to donate and they didn't want to, that's not wrong? That's idiotic. There should be a clear YES AND NO check box and one HAS to be checked.
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If you miss something in front of you, then your Bad. I suppose a Yes/No is fine, but I find yours and others objections to be ridiculous.
 
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