Professor Attacked For Insulting Islam

[Nebor]

The Mormons and Jehova's believe the same so much they show up at my door every couple of days trying to save me.



Yes, if a Christian or a Jew is threatening to kill a Muslim because of his religion (which was happening in those days). A Muslim was allowed to lie about his faith and did not have to die defending his faith.
The exact opposite of what you people preach.

Yeah, but Mormons and Jehova's don't go into "submit or die" mode when they have the majority and the power.

Muslims are allowed to lie to protect and further their religion. Just read the wikipedia entry for taqiyya. "we smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them," - Muhammed's companion, Abu Ad-Darda

 

[Orignal Earl]

Yes, if a Christian or a Jew is threatening to kill a Muslim because of his religion (which was happening in those days).

After thinking about this for a minute, I am wrong..
There would not of been many Jews attacking Muslims back then because they both were mostly concerned with the Christian threat.

 

[Incorruptible]

The first couple of times you asked me that, I told you I do not support terrorists.
I ignored it when you asked the next 10 times.

In your examples you have a couple of Muslims.
There are at least 1.6 billion Muslims.
By your logic (lol) it's far more likely Christians support pedophilia
Why are you supporting that.
America is 85% pedophiles, why should I worry about what some Muslim is doing halfway across the world, when I am surrounded by people who want to screw my children?

I dont believe that you support terrorists

Its not just a couple Muslims though otherwise it wouldnt be a problem but its much more than that. Large amounts in Europe support sharia law and are against gays. Does this not worry you

Large amounts of Muslims also want jail for the Muhamad video

 

[Nebor]

After thinking about this for a minute, I am wrong..
There would not of been many Jews attacking Muslims back then because they both were mostly concerned with the Christian threat.

Well, they did kill their lord and savior. Someone should make a badass IDF poster of a tank smashing through a Palestinian settlement captioned, "So Badass Not Even Jesus Could Stop Them."

 

[kage69]

The Canadian withdrawal was hard on all of us. No more Tim Horton's at Kandahar Airfield.

heh

 

[mikeymikec]

Control Factor is on our brigade reading list.

But sure, get to know people that hate your way of life and will lie to you if necessary (taqiyya.) I had a muslim friend growing up. He was fairly westernized, liked video games and the same music as us. But his family drove an hour every week to attend a mosque, and if you asked him if everyone should be Muslim he'd tell you yes, they should be, and given enough time, everyone will be.

My mum would say that as well (that everyone ought to be catholic). Your point? Is my mum active in an underground network of catholics trying to bring the system down to replace it with their ideal vision of government?

I love the way you use the word "but" in this context. But my mother attends church every week! I bet they're planning their nefarious schemes there!

All religions are hokum, but Islam is the most dangerous one at the moment. Muslims want the entire world to submit to their god. Those who refuse are to be killed, or if they're too useful to Muslim society, be treated as dhimmi, or second class citizens subject to high taxation and public abuse. Read the Bible, then read the Koran & Hadditha, and tell me which one conveys a message of peace and God's love.

I bet you haven't read either of those books. There's some pretty horrific content in the bible, and I bet there's equally horrific content in the Quran.

Personally I don't believe that any major organised religion (except probably Buddhism), their texts or their history stands up well to any serious, unbiased scrutiny. The problem usually starts when they start believing their stories so strongly that they mentally convert them from belief/faith into fact, and then it becomes, "I'm right and you're wrong", to people with different beliefs.

A secondary problem with some of the bible's content (I can't speak from a knowledgeable standpoint about the Quran), is age and context. For example, fighting and dying for what you believe in is sometimes appropriate. However, a responsible leader of any group of people would strongly advise caution and would weigh their words carefully in situations where an idea like that might come into play. Shaking a two-thousand-year-old book in the air and saying "it says it in here so it must be so", and being ready to die for your belief is just crazy for the vast majority of the bible's content.

Wikipedia reckons that 20% of the world population are muslims. A quick calculation from wikipedia's figures reckons that 31% of the world population are christian. Now please consider what kind of crazy situation the world would be in if 1 in 5 people had a "convert or die" mentality towards non-believers. I'm pretty sure that if 20% of the world population wanted to conduct a religious crusade, we would be in the middle of WW3 right now. If you can accept that those portion of the world's population cannot possibly have that sort of mentality, then it logically follows that not all muslims believe what you think they do.

Even if 1 in 5 muslims had that mentality there would still be a heck of a problem, that would be 278 million people on the planet want a religious crusade. I'm pretty sure that 278 million people is probably a higher total than all of the world's armed forces personnel and reservists. - Yep, just checked using Wikipedia's figures on the sizes of the world's armed forces, the total is nearly 93 million, so even with that figure, based on that estimate, there are 3 times more bloodthirsty "kill 'em all!" muslims waiting for some order from who-the-fuck-knows to unleash a holy crusade.

Even if all the heads of the christians religions started on a cleverly-planned campaign to spread propaganda to gather as many true-believers as possible for the "inevitable war with the muslims", I strongly doubt they would manage to gather at least 20% of their followers over any timespan (starting in this century).

Come on, show a little sense.

 

[Nebor]

Wikipedia reckons that 20% of the world population are muslims. A quick calculation from wikipedia's figures reckons that 31% of the world population are christian. Now please consider what kind of crazy situation the world would be in if 1 in 5 people had a "convert or die" mentality towards non-believers. I'm pretty sure that if 20% of the world population wanted to conduct a religious crusade, we would be in the middle of WW3 right now. If you can accept that those portion of the world's population cannot possibly have that sort of mentality, then it logically follows that not all muslims believe what you think they do.

FWIW, I have read the Koran and Hadditha (English language versions, which are fairly suspect in my estimation though.)

Muslims historically don't start the "convert or die" business unless they have overwhelming force to back it up. Look at the quality of life in any majority Muslim country. You'll find Sharia law and usually a dictator\tyrant of some sort, which is only natural in a religion that focuses on submission. And like Mohammed, they are totally willing to sign peace treaties and live peacefully while the enemy has the upper hand. Then, like Mohammed, they will break the peace treaties and wage war when they think they can win, thinking fools of those that allowed the peace in the first place.

 

[mikeymikec]

Muslims historically don't start the "convert or die" business unless they have overwhelming force to back it up.

So their religious soldier mentality has an on/off switch that waits for the perfect moment, then is somehow switched on?

I'm impressed at how you do this. I suspect that given that you're human, you've spent a fair bit of time around humans, and so you've learnt a bit about the varying extents that people believe certain things, and how far (or not at all) they're willing to go for said beliefs and opinions, that it is quite difficult these days on most societies to drum up any sort of revolution because once people achieve a certain quality of life which is adequate for them, and perhaps once they've learnt about the appalling things that happen during revolutions, both factors tend to soften peoples' desire for such massive change. But you take this (well, hopefully you've learnt these things during your time on this planet), and you throw it out the window for muslims, because they're a bunch of kill-bots waiting for their moment of activation (by your logic).

I suppose at the end of the day you can believe what you want to believe. I suspect you're completely immune to logic or evidence contrary to your beliefs, and that if someone who follows the muslim faith was to actually help you, you would probably believe it was to further some extremist agenda. I'll just have faith in the idea that there aren't enough people like you to actually affect anything, and that your armchair is more comfortable than a bunker full of ammo, despite your extremist views.

 

[monkeh624]

How about the rather simple distinction that the out of control Christians you're talking about are abhored and stopped by fellow Christians.

"Moderate Islam" is an invention of the past 15 years to try to get us to let our guard down. But any and all polling of majority Muslim nations show widespread for support for "radical" ideas like Sharia law, and non-Muslims being treated as second class citizens.

For the guy from the UK, I recommend Londonistan: How Britain is Creating a Terror State Within by Melanie Phillips. The nation in which the most major anti-Western terror plots of the past 10 years have been foiled has been the UK. You have Imams living on benefits and preaching about the destruction of the UK. London is widely regarded as the center of radical Islam in the world today.

And for the origins of "Moderate Islam" as well as a review of the Koran & Hadditha, and the West's reaction to Islam, check out The Control Factor by Bill Siegel.

Bolded. This lady writes for the Daily Mail. If she told me the sky is blue and that grass is green, I would have to go outside to check.

 

[shadow9d9]

How about the rather simple distinction that the out of control Christians you're talking about are abhored and stopped by fellow Christians.

"Moderate Islam" is an invention of the past 15 years to try to get us to let our guard down. But any and all polling of majority Muslim nations show widespread for support for "radical" ideas like Sharia law, and non-Muslims being treated as second class citizens.

For the guy from the UK, I recommend Londonistan: How Britain is Creating a Terror State Within by Melanie Phillips. The nation in which the most major anti-Western terror plots of the past 10 years have been foiled has been the UK. You have Imams living on benefits and preaching about the destruction of the UK. London is widely regarded as the center of radical Islam in the world today.

And for the origins of "Moderate Islam" as well as a review of the Koran & Hadditha, and the West's reaction to Islam, check out The Control Factor by Bill Siegel.

Actually, the Pope and the Catholic church kept moving around the priests and covering up their actions...

 

[Zorkorist]

We should all be given the right to carry arms. To protect us from Religious Fanatics.

US. Constitution, 2nd Amendment.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

-John

 

[Whiskey16]

There is no war. Seriously, you sound like Anders Behring Breivik.

Be aware, that's exactly what you are dealing with:

But like I said, those of us with more than an academic knowledge of you and your kind wouldn't mind if you filmed us while we put your entire extended family in one mass grave, because we know eventually it'll be you or us. We either fight now...

Nebor, proudly on record with in his open death threats against fellow forum members for simply voicing differing political opinions went on to declare:

...a broad, general warning to everyone like you: It's just a matter of time until the West wakes up to the subversiveness of your words and actions intended to destroy our society with it's own virtues. When that time comes, it'll be bad news for people like you living among us, advocating for terrorists.

As Breivik did in massacring a portion of the Workers' Youth League (AUF) of the Labour Party in Norway, Nebor is on record for desiring the death of us all, as also being branded as "enemies."

With such over-the-line and criminal extremism on the forum record, it should also be sadly recognised that Nebor proudly proclaims himself as a serving member in the US military. The very same organisation that he has falsely sworn oaths to uphold, but in fact threatens with insurgent goals to piss upon and wage a violent war upon his own country.

That is the type of person who has found a violent and hatred inciting publishing home at AnandTech.