Profanity fills many school halls

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
(and learn what censorship is please)

Again, enlighten me, oh wise one. Please, tell me, what is YOUR definition of censorhip? I want to hear it in your own words. I don't need a link or any C&P BS. I want YOUR definition.

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: Comanche
The problem here is that people do judge us by the words that we use. If we use a lot of profanity, people don't respect us as much as if we use the english lanquage to concisely make our point.

This would be true in cases where someone uses profanity non-stop.

 

[Comanche]

The question is simply, do you want people to take you seriously?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: loki8481

Profanity fills many school halls

fvck yeah :thumbsup:

:laugh:

Freedom of speech?
Yes.

I don't mind people using profanity. I use profanity. Many times in class talking to my teacher i've used it (I have a bad memory and often forget what i'm supposed to say). If someone uses profanity in a way i dislike, i dislike the person. I don't think it shouæd be against the law, or that anything should be done against it.

You're getting old rip. One day you'll die, and your child will act anally about new words that weren't around when it was a child. That's the way of life.

Didn't rip just make a troll post about not enough free speech in schools. Now we have him crying speech he doesn't like should be banned.

Fvcking eh

 

[EagleKeeper]

people that have to use profanity apparently have a problem communicating with their standard native language.

the use of profanity only serves to show how illiterate one must be to not know the proper word(s) for what you are attempting to communicate; unless one is are not attempting or able to communicate.

 

[cwjerome]

"Didn't rip just make a troll post about not enough free speech in schools. Now we have him crying speech he doesn't like should be banned."

I don't know about Riprorin's posts, but is there something wrong with thinking some things should be allowed and some things shouldn't?

 

[Comanche]

I was listening to the radio some 30 years ago and a psychologist was speaking of profanity. He said that the way that it probably started was some caveman didn't have the language skills to say what he wanted in a frustrating moment uttered a vulgarity. This has led to today where we have people who don't have the language skill to say what they want to say and revert to the ancient caveman practice. He also said that if it weren't for profanity, there would be a lot of people out there who wouldn't be able to speak.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
"Didn't rip just make a troll post about not enough free speech in schools. Now we have him crying speech he doesn't like should be banned."

I don't know about Riprorin's posts, but is there something wrong with thinking some things should be allowed and some things shouldn't?

Regarding rip, yes. Legislation is not the way.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: Comanche
I was listening to the radio some 30 years ago and a psychologist was speaking of profanity. He said that the way that it probably started was some caveman didn't have the language skills to say what he wanted in a frustrating moment uttered a vulgarity. This has led to today where we have people who don't have the language skill to say what they want to say and revert to the ancient caveman practice. He also said that if it weren't for profanity, there would be a lot of people out there who wouldn't be able to speak.

Ofcourse. That's why we swear alot when we're mad.

 

[Comanche]

If you really want to scare someone, think about what you want to say when you are angy and say it without cursing. The person that you are mad at will not know how to deal with a well formed angry arguement and will be very frightened.

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: Comanche
If you really want to scare someone, think about what you want to say when you are angy and say it without cursing. The person that you are mad at will not know how to deal with a well formed angry arguement and will be very frightened.

Heh...I've done that once. And I can confirm that you are right.

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
"Didn't rip just make a troll post about not enough free speech in schools. Now we have him crying speech he doesn't like should be banned."

I don't know about Riprorin's posts, but is there something wrong with thinking some things should be allowed and some things shouldn't?

Yes, There is something wrong if your claim your speech is surpressed but don't give a damn about other peoples.

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Profanity fills many school halls

fvck yeah :thumbsup:

:laugh:

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Profanity fills many school halls

Teachers are worried by the trend but often can't do much about it.

By Valerie Strauss

Washington Post


Dan Horwich's English class is a bastion of clean language where students read the classics and hold weighty discussions free of invective and profanity. But when the bell rings and they walk out his door, the hallway vibrates with talk of a different sort.

"The kids swear almost incessantly," said Horwich, who teaches at Guildford High School in Rockford, Ill. "They are so used to swearing and hearing it at home, and in the movies, and on TV, and in the music they listen to, that they have become desensitized to it."

In classrooms and hallways and on the playground, young people are using inappropriate language more frequently than ever, teachers and principals say. Not only does it coarsen the school climate and social discourse, they say, it is evidence of a decline in language skills. Popular culture has made ugly language acceptable and hip, and many teachers say they only expect things to get uglier.

Horwich says he will not tolerate vulgarity in his classroom, and he tells students on the first day of school what he expects. But the 31-year-old teacher said he felt he was waging a losing battle. He and many other teachers say that even if they can control their own rooms, only school-wide efforts can make a real difference.

Teachers say their principals often do not support them on the issue, and principals say they cannot because administrators are worried about "bigger" problems. Many parents are no help, as they use curse words themselves or excuse their children's outbursts, teachers say.

And though many school systems ban profanity, not much happens to most offenders. Many teachers say they no longer bother reporting it.

"Nobody turns their head anymore, on the whole," said veteran teacher Pauline Carey of Mount Rainier Elementary School in Prince George's County, Md., saying her school is an exception in that all the adults there agree on the demand for respect. "Somebody has to call them on this language and not just pass it off," Carey said.

Profanity, in the large sense, is defined as words that others consider offensive, although it originally was restricted to words that were blasphemous. Once heard mostly in whispers, today it is inescapable.

"I never thought I would say this - once being a hard-core anti-music censor - but I understand why [young people] are doing this: You almost can't find a song, video game, television show, anything, without a curse word," said Laura Lee Cox, a seventh-grade teacher at Cedartown, Ga., Middle School.

Children ages 4 and 5 often go through a phase of using inappropriate language they hear but can't understand, child-rearing experts say. Parents are advised against reacting too strongly, because the youngsters soon learn from adults that the words are inappropriate.

The problem, said James O'Connor, director of the Cuss Control Academy in Lake Forest, Ill., is that when children learn that the words are inappropriate, they enjoy using them all the more to get a rise out of their parents.

Soon it becomes "cool" behavior at school, even if many children don't understand what they are saying.

Anne Ryan, a music teacher at Half Day School, a third- and fourth-grade public school in Lincolnshire, Ill., asks students to bring in favorite music lyrics to discuss.

"The students constantly question: 'Is this a bad word?' 'Is that a bad word?' " she said. "They hardly know what constitutes profanity."

High school students know, but by then the habit has been formed, experts say, and the teenagers know they can get away with it.

Kevin Shaigany, 17, a student at Walter Johnson High School in Bethesda, Md., said: "What can they really do [about it] in high school?"

Others see it as lazy language, especially when the same word is used as different parts of speech.

"People use it instead of articulating what they want to say," said Naomi Schimmel, 21, a George Washington University student.

Horwich said constant use of profanity reveals a poor vocabulary, and O'Connor lamented the toll it is taking on the language.

Parents can exacerbate the problem, teachers say, by defending children caught swearing in school.

"As soon as the kid gets suspended, or has a detention, or whatever the consequence, you have the parent come running down to the school, yelling and screaming and swearing, saying they are going to fight it and saying they are going to call their lawyer, and the school administrators back down," Horwich said.

Many teachers and administrators still put up a fight against foul language.

George Ferguson, a teacher at Big Cypress Elementary School in Naples, Fla., said he sometimes has children write class rules repeatedly, or he talks to an offender's parents.

Deborah Alford, a sixth-grade special-education teacher at Cedartown, tells students "on a daily basis" what language is appropriate.

Bonnie Tryon, principal at Golding Elementary School in Cobleskill, N.Y., said a school-wide standard was key.

"If you don't stop the little things," she said, "the little things become big."

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"As soon as the kid gets suspended, or has a detention, or whatever the consequence, you have the parent come running down to the school, yelling and screaming and swearing, saying they are going to fight it and saying they are going to call their lawyer, and the school administrators back down," Horwich said.

Here's one of the major problems in our wasteful, underperforming schools: Parents don't support the teachers.

It's no wonder we have an epidemic of rebellious kids who have no respect for authority.

Oh dear god, I agree with rip. 🙁

Although I did swear when I was a teenager, I very very seldom let it slip in class...that's just not right. I would expect to be punished for swearing around a teacher or administrator.

That being said, I faced some severe bigotry in school and fought bitterly over it. Teachers that had the right to declare religious figures as sacred and therefore offlimits to secular conversation for instance (calling 'jesus christ' a form of profanity, but not likewise placing other religious figures on the swear list).

General swears shouldn't be allowed, but neither should personal prejudicial influences.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: cwjerome
"Didn't rip just make a troll post about not enough free speech in schools. Now we have him crying speech he doesn't like should be banned."

I don't know about Riprorin's posts, but is there something wrong with thinking some things should be allowed and some things shouldn't?

Yes, There is something wrong if your claim your speech is surpressed but don't give a damn about other peoples.

Wrong answer. There is no "my" speech and the speech of "other" people. We do not take into account which person is speaking based on their ideology. There is only speech.

So what you're saying is, we cannot differentiate between what speech is allowed and what speech is prohibited. According to you then, either all speech is allowed, or all speech is prohibited. We cannot make distinctions. We don't have the capacity to distinguish variations. We cannot determine any in-between or gray area or level or scale. It's a black and white, one-size-fits-all, "zero-tolerance" type of thinking.

You do realize this viewpoint puts you in a radically extreme minority?

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Comanche
I was listening to the radio some 30 years ago and a psychologist was speaking of profanity. He said that the way that it probably started was some caveman didn't have the language skills to say what he wanted in a frustrating moment uttered a vulgarity. This has led to today where we have people who don't have the language skill to say what they want to say and revert to the ancient caveman practice. He also said that if it weren't for profanity, there would be a lot of people out there who wouldn't be able to speak.

that seems kinda silly.

I spent 4 years studying literature. sufficed to say, I have an above average vocabulary when it comes to the English language. and yet, I curse like a sailor in front of teachers, priests, parents, kids... whoever.

I wasn't raised to think of words as bad. as far as I'm concerned, they're just words. why spend 5 minutes delving into how I feel about my roommate's apathy towards life when I can just say "fvck 'em!" in spoken language, it's all about the economy of words.

edit: and what's with people who replace words? like saying "fudge" or "darnit." wtf is that about?

 

[Taejin]

lol.."we have an epidemic of rebellious kids with no respect for authority". Nice POV on life Rip, I guess that's why you want to send your kids to become Bible zombies at some university, eh?

Otherwise, I completely agree with you. Being polite and respectful is particularly important in schools, although I think an "epidemic of rebellious kids" is a bit overreaching, and part of what makes people laugh you off at ATPN.

 

[cwjerome]

"it's all about the economy of words."

Or laziness? 😉

There is a time and a place for things. Being able to show some self-discipline and respect for others goes a long way.

 

[Comanche]

LOL. How true.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
"it's all about the economy of words."

Or laziness? 😉

definitely economy. the whole purpose of speach is to convey thoughts quickly and effectively.

Being able to show some self-discipline and respect for others goes a long way.

I don't really understand how it's a respect issue.

I mean, they're words.

edit: IMO, it's about the feeling behind the words, not the words themselves.

someone saying "man, I fvcking love school! this is a great assignment, I can't wait to bang this b!tch out." = not offensive.

telling a teacher to go screw themselves, while not using any curse words, is in fact, offensive.

it's like music on the radio... Green Day can't say "lovely human" in an inoffensive way that has little-to-nothing to do with gays, while Fifty Cent can sing an ode to oral sex without a single word being bleeped out and every oldies station in the country can play songs that are obvious odes to drug usage.. it just makes no sense to me.

 

[eigen]

do you guys even know why some words are considered curse words.It was a class issue oh,,,,500-600 years ago.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Taejin
lol.."we have an epidemic of rebellious kids with no respect for authority". Nice POV on life Rip, I guess that's why you want to send your kids to become Bible zombies at some university, eh?

Otherwise, I completely agree with you. Being polite and respectful is particularly important in schools, although I think an "epidemic of rebellious kids" is a bit overreaching, and part of what makes people laugh you off at ATPN.

Bahahahahaa couldn't pay for this Entertainment :laugh: :thumbsup:

 

[Comanche]

When you are in school there are rules of behavior. One of those rules is to teach the english language, the acceptable english language. That is what will take you further in the business world. To use anything else is conterproductive and also disrespectful to teacher who is trying to teach.

As for Loki and the roommate, that is just cavemanism all the way.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Comanche
One of those rules is to teach the english language, the acceptable english language.

but why are these specific words to be considered outside of the acceptable language?

 

[Comanche]

You could ask why all day long, and I wouldn't be able to give you an answer. I do know, though, that if I go in to interview for a job, and I swear, I probably won't get that job.