Productivity Future Vision by Microsoft
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Homerboy
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destrekor
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As long as one can adapt to the full-screen start interface, that's about the only issue on desktop. Unless your searching for or going to select an app, you can accomplish most of your power-user tasks with a right-click on the Start button.
However, while I am mighty happy with Win 8.1 (8 was a little rocky, just due to lack of boot to desktop and I think shutdown was added to the Start right-click menu sometime later, either in 8.1 or in a patch).
It is super smooth, incredibly stable (Windows 7 was for me as well, but 8/8.1 is even faster!), and has a touch of new.
Windows 10 is where it all comes together and becomes freaking awesome. Windows 10 IS indeed what Windows 8 should have been, but they had to go down this route to figure that out. In 10, the start menu is back in proper fashion, albeit with a Windows 8 style and universal apps.
It'll have some initial bugs, but I'll be on Windows 10 from day one, almost assuredly. Having universal apps in a window is, alone, awesome. I like the mail client in a proper window, not full screen. And with free versions of Word in the "metro" style, also windowed instead of full-screen, are great. The free Word app, for instance, has quite a bit of capability compared to the full desktop app. It obviously lacks things, but for almost everything normal people do, it has what they need and then some. It's more fully featured than I expected, quite frankly.
There will be plenty of reasons for the desktop Office 2016 suite, but for a lot of users, they will be very satisfied with the free Office apps.
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Not to troll too far away from topic, but, the only thing I still cant get used to on my Win 8.1 is how when I click on the win logo/start on the bottom left, it takes me to the metro mode...
I expect the old start menu to come up but alas I am taken to this alien planet every time... still cant get used to it.. :'(
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It may have something to do with it being the least intuitive thing ever designed. To me, it seems extremely easy to understand why both casual users and power users hate it.
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I watched many of the developer videos and maybe bought into their logic and design decisions on swiping actions, search capabilities, etc., before it was even released.
Heck, I don't use the metro start menu that often anyway because I find that either:
a) I put my frequently used apps on the taskbar
b) I leave my apps running because memory leaks seem to be far less common in Windows 8 than they were in previous versions
c) I swipe in from the right and search for whatever app I want to run and run it from the search results
I am running Windows 10 on this machine I'm using right now and it is pretty much the best of both worlds (Windows 7 and Windows 8.1). This machine is essentially an 18-inch tablet and an iMac though, so it is great for testing Windows 10's new features.
and then it turns into a good old fashioned hootin-and-hollerin. Love me some Windows 8.
There are a lot of places in the OS (and in a lot of 3rd party apps as well) where they are migrating toward these touch-centric interfaces with larger tiles, larger fonts, just irritates me. More mouse movement, etc. I do most of my work on Linux these days, so the impact is minimal, but it's still annoying. There should be a reasonable way to differentiate between interfaces that work for the sort of crap touch-screen devices get used for, and interfaces that are efficient for close work across multiple monitors.
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What does?
I drive a triple-monitor setup and I get along just fine with Windows 8. Now OS X, holy shit, that has terrible multi-mon support.
The only quirk is if you want a triple-wide start menu or apps, that won't happen with a standard multi-mon setup where each monitor has its own native resolution.
What is outside of the norm--and I, frankly, never expect any OS to handle correctly--is when you get into Surround/Eyefinity setups and have a 5760x1080 resolution instead of 3x 1080p monitors. Then, everything Windows makes everything super widescreen and super funky. That, again, would take some coding that is for a tiny, tiny user group and could introduce other issues. I don't see MS tackling that anytime soon, and for good reason.
PliotronX
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Meh, a lot of that stuff isn't better, it just looks flashier. Which yeah you could say that about a lot of the changes to computers (everything post DOS is just that! Windows doesn't need a glossy graphics, Win 95's look was fine!), but plenty of that really is not better. Like the girl with the bracelet and control with wrist gestures.
They're not migrating to those, they're adding them. They did mess up with Windows 8 interface, but fact is they had to release it as people would not take it serious that Microsoft was doing this until they did. I think Microsoft knew that Win8 would be a disappointment as it really was not finished when it was released, but the major changes they were moving towards were there and that's the important thing, they had to get people to take it seriously and they also have to know it will take people a while to adjust to something new. I also get a good laugh when seeing people bitch about Win8 but they adjusted to using iOS or Android fine, when both of those are orders of magnitude worse than Win8 in a lot of regards.
Also, they kinda did do what you're complaining about, and that was actually part of the problem, they made two very different interfaces and you had to choose between them, but unfortunately you'd get thrown to the other interface when trying to do some things. But if you're using desktop mode it should actually be even better than Windows 7 with the quicksnap stuff with a mouse as far as more movements. I don't know it might be down to the apparent mouse polling rate that Microsoft locked as well (need a registry edit or to manually adjust individual programs to unlock it). Which that's a valid complaint, but sometimes people will write off the whole interface because of some minor thing (and often times the minor thing is just they don't know of some change that likely would improve things for them if they'd just learn about it).
Also, with Windows 10 they've been working a lot to make it context aware. If you're using a mouse and keyboard they're trying to make it know and then automatically adjust to suit that use so there isn't the changing interfaces and other things that make it less intuitive. Yes you'll likely have to learn some new things about how it operates to get the most out of it, but I don't know why tech savvy people seem to have such a problem with that.
My big concern is that they're trying to push everything to the App model when I'm not the biggest fan of that, especially if they're trying to ape the Apple and Android model for that (both of which are atrocious and I think are actually making software worse).
Sorry, my post comes off more vitriolic than I intend towards you (there's been a lot of other people saying stupid shit that it's clear they haven't actually used Windows 8). If you prefer Linux that's great, I have no problem with that and I think alone is a great reason for Linux to remain viable is so we can get some diversity so that if you just don't like a certain interface you do have options.
They're not migrating to those, they're adding them. They did mess up with Windows 8 interface, but fact is they had to release it as people would not take it serious that Microsoft was doing this until they did. I think Microsoft knew that Win8 would be a disappointment as it really was not finished when it was released, but the major changes they were moving towards were there and that's the important thing, they had to get people to take it seriously and they also have to know it will take people a while to adjust to something new. I also get a good laugh when seeing people bitch about Win8 but they adjusted to using iOS or Android fine, when both of those are orders of magnitude worse than Win8 in a lot of regards.
Also, they kinda did do what you're complaining about, and that was actually part of the problem, they made two very different interfaces and you had to choose between them, but unfortunately you'd get thrown to the other interface when trying to do some things. But if you're using desktop mode it should actually be even better than Windows 7 with the quicksnap stuff with a mouse as far as more movements. I don't know it might be down to the apparent mouse polling rate that Microsoft locked as well (need a registry edit or to manually adjust individual programs to unlock it). Which that's a valid complaint, but sometimes people will write off the whole interface because of some minor thing (and often times the minor thing is just they don't know of some change that likely would improve things for them if they'd just learn about it).
Also, with Windows 10 they've been working a lot to make it context aware. If you're using a mouse and keyboard they're trying to make it know and then automatically adjust to suit that use so there isn't the changing interfaces and other things that make it less intuitive. Yes you'll likely have to learn some new things about how it operates to get the most out of it, but I don't know why tech savvy people seem to have such a problem with that.
My big concern is that they're trying to push everything to the App model when I'm not the biggest fan of that, especially if they're trying to ape the Apple and Android model for that (both of which are atrocious and I think are actually making software worse).
Sorry, my post comes off more vitriolic than I intend towards you (there's been a lot of other people saying stupid shit that it's clear they haven't actually used Windows 8). If you prefer Linux that's great, I have no problem with that and I think alone is a great reason for Linux to remain viable is so we can get some diversity so that if you just don't like a certain interface you do have options.
It looks nifty, but I feel like if we get to such a point the development cost of such specialized software will be pretty steep. It's one thing to be able to draw on a digital board, but another for it to (what looks to be) identifying individual objects as molecules and bonds drawn between them, etc. It's not impossible and in a way I think the 'app' model of development has made 'specialty software' a more ubiquitous idea at least.
DesiPower
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And they predicted this too...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V_0xDUg0h0
Btw, what OP posted, it will be available in China only? or in China first. by the time comes out, it might as well...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V_0xDUg0h0
Btw, what OP posted, it will be available in China only? or in China first. by the time comes out, it might as well...
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