Problems with Win XP SP 2

[mauiblue]

My understanding is that SP 2 does cause problems with some programs not being able to run correctly. I recently found that out with Adobe Premiere Pro. I'm not ablet to burn DVDs if SP 2 is installed. I did a Google search on the issue and found that others had the same problem. I wouldn't mind having SP 2 but after having that problem come up with Premiere Pro, I decided to reinstall XP and my programs just to make sure I am back to square one (I didn't trust just uninstalling SP 2).

Are others experiencing issues with SP 2? I just wanted to see if there are other programs or even drivers that are crapping out because of SP 2. I have the latest Catalyst drivers for my ATI card which ATI recommends SP 2 to be installed, BUT I refuse to install SP 2 because of the issues Premiere Pro has with it. So far so go with the Catalyst drivers without SP 2 installed.

 

[carpenter]

I installed SP2 on all my comps and when I did the 3rd and last one, it won't run. Keep getting a message with a red cross in it saying RPC is ending and then it reboots. Tried going into safe mode and reverting to an earlier time, uninstalling SP2, system restore, can't get any of them to complete before it reboots. I don't know. Got a lot of important files on this comp.

 

[mauiblue]

Thanks carpenter for your response. CNET has an article about how SP 2 screws up certain programs (see link).

In any case, SP 2 is a farce to say the least and I will not install it. I already have a security aids and antivirus software so that's covered. If I need updates, I will go to the Win XP update website if need be.

Good luck in gettting your system straighten out, carpenter.

 

[phatrabt]

Originally posted by: mauiblue
Thanks carpenter for your response. CNET has an article about how SP 2 screws up certain programs (see link).

In any case, SP 2 is a farce to say the least and I will not install it. I already have a security aids and antivirus software so that's covered. If I need updates, I will go to the Win XP update website if need be.

Good luck in gettting your system straighten out, carpenter.

Unfortunately it doesn't seem you bothered to read the article (here's a quote from it regarding problems with programs:

Microsoft explains the problem by saying that SP2 is no normal service pack (just a collection of previous bug fixes) but is more like a top-to-bottom upgrade of XP.

CAN THIS NIGHTMARE BE STYMIED?
No! Maybe! Hey, we never promised we'd cure every nightmare,
did we? But here's our best shot:

1. Check out Microsoft's list of "Programs that are known to experience a loss of functionality."


The most common SP2 problem that plagues applications is Windows Firewall wanting to block access to the Internet. The simplest way to fix this? Run the app and click Unblock.
Steer your browser to this Microsoft-authored list of 37 (the count when we wrote this) programs that have issues with SP2. They range from the puny--AOL's toolbar--to the big deal, such as WordPerfect Office.

If the app that's giving you fits is on the list, check with the program's maker. It may have a issued a downloadable fix by now.

If not--possible, since Microsoft's list is by no means comprehensive--head to the vendor's Web site and do a quick search for "SP2." That's how we discovered how SurfSaver, one of our most important browsing tools, could be resurrected after installing SP2.


SP2 doesn't just apply updates with bug fixes but does a lot of "under-the-hood" changes. This could be anything from code fixes (to try and prevent future exploits) to changes to existing structure to shore up the security that is already there. It's your opinion that you don't want to run SP2 because it won't run a program from another vendor, then take it up with THAT VENDOR. I'm NOT saying Windows is perfect (far from it) but blaming MS for every problem that a program has without checking to see if the program itself is at fault is ignorant. I have applied SP2 to all my machines and the apps that didn't work anymore were the VENDORS fault (sloppy coding usually exploiting a loophole in the Windows code that SP2 closed). So please, before passing judgement on SP2 do a little research, you might be surprised.

phatrabt

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: phatrabt

Originally posted by: mauiblue
Thanks carpenter for your response. CNET has an article about how SP 2 screws up certain programs (see link).

In any case, SP 2 is a farce to say the least and I will not install it. I already have a security aids and antivirus software so that's covered. If I need updates, I will go to the Win XP update website if need be.

Good luck in gettting your system straighten out, carpenter.

Unfortunately it doesn't seem you bothered to read the article (here's a quote from it regarding problems with programs:

Microsoft explains the problem by saying that SP2 is no normal service pack (just a collection of previous bug fixes) but is more like a top-to-bottom upgrade of XP.

CAN THIS NIGHTMARE BE STYMIED?
No! Maybe! Hey, we never promised we'd cure every nightmare,
did we? But here's our best shot:

1. Check out Microsoft's list of "Programs that are known to experience a loss of functionality."


The most common SP2 problem that plagues applications is Windows Firewall wanting to block access to the Internet. The simplest way to fix this? Run the app and click Unblock.
Steer your browser to this Microsoft-authored list of 37 (the count when we wrote this) programs that have issues with SP2. They range from the puny--AOL's toolbar--to the big deal, such as WordPerfect Office.

If the app that's giving you fits is on the list, check with the program's maker. It may have a issued a downloadable fix by now.

If not--possible, since Microsoft's list is by no means comprehensive--head to the vendor's Web site and do a quick search for "SP2." That's how we discovered how SurfSaver, one of our most important browsing tools, could be resurrected after installing SP2.


SP2 doesn't just apply updates with bug fixes but does a lot of "under-the-hood" changes. This could be anything from code fixes (to try and prevent future exploits) to changes to existing structure to shore up the security that is already there. It's your opinion that you don't want to run SP2 because it won't run a program from another vendor, then take it up with THAT VENDOR. I'm NOT saying Windows is perfect (far from it) but blaming MS for every problem that a program has without checking to see if the program itself is at fault is ignorant. I have applied SP2 to all my machines and the apps that didn't work anymore were the VENDORS fault (sloppy coding usually exploiting a loophole in the Windows code that SP2 closed). So please, before passing judgement on SP2 do a little research, you might be surprised.

phatrabt

well said :thumbsup:

 

[mauiblue]

Originally posted by: phatrabt

Originally posted by: mauiblue
Thanks carpenter for your response. CNET has an article about how SP 2 screws up certain programs (see link).

In any case, SP 2 is a farce to say the least and I will not install it. I already have a security aids and antivirus software so that's covered. If I need updates, I will go to the Win XP update website if need be.

Good luck in getting your system straighten out, carpenter.

Unfortunately it doesn't seem you bothered to read the article (here's a quote from it regarding problems with programs:

Microsoft explains the problem by saying that SP2 is no normal service pack (just a collection of previous bug fixes) but is more like a top-to-bottom upgrade of XP.

CAN THIS NIGHTMARE BE STYMIED?
No! Maybe! Hey, we never promised we'd cure every nightmare,
did we? But here's our best shot:

1. Check out Microsoft's list of "Programs that are known to experience a loss of functionality."


The most common SP2 problem that plagues applications is Windows Firewall wanting to block access to the Internet. The simplest way to fix this? Run the app and click Unblock.
Steer your browser to this Microsoft-authored list of 37 (the count when we wrote this) programs that have issues with SP2. They range from the puny--AOL's toolbar--to the big deal, such as WordPerfect Office.

If the app that's giving you fits is on the list, check with the program's maker. It may have a issued a downloadable fix by now.

If not--possible, since Microsoft's list is by no means comprehensive--head to the vendor's Web site and do a quick search for "SP2." That's how we discovered how SurfSaver, one of our most important browsing tools, could be resurrected after installing SP2.


SP2 doesn't just apply updates with bug fixes but does a lot of "under-the-hood" changes. This could be anything from code fixes (to try and prevent future exploits) to changes to existing structure to shore up the security that is already there. It's your opinion that you don't want to run SP2 because it won't run a program from another vendor, then take it up with THAT VENDOR. I'm NOT saying Windows is perfect (far from it) but blaming MS for every problem that a program has without checking to see if the program itself is at fault is ignorant. I have applied SP2 to all my machines and the apps that didn't work anymore were the VENDORS fault (sloppy coding usually exploiting a loophole in the Windows code that SP2 closed). So please, before passing judgment on SP2 do a little research, you might be surprised.

phatrabt

BTW, I did read the article (as you incorrectly assumed) I mentioned. Also what CNET and MS suggested to do to remedy the problem does not fit the bill toward resolving this issue. I also went to the Adobe website and and they didn't have any remedy to this issue. Only when I did a Google search did I find other users of Premiere Pro that expressed the same problem with the functionality of this program WHEN SP 2 IS INSTALLED. The solution that they found was to UNINSTALL SP 2. That's why I mentioned that is my choice that I would not have SP 2 on my machine unless it was really necessary because of my experience with it. I NEVER did blame it on other issues that I had (WHILE SP 2 WAS INSTALLED) with a couple games and drivers that I have installed and later found updates to them from the appropriate website. I did my research (as you arrogantly assumed I didn't) and came to the to the conclusion as others did with the same circumstance that SP IS AT FAULT in this instance. In other forums, I found that others have some trepidation in installing SP 2 for one reason or another.

You also shouldn't pass judgment too quickly. Others may do the same to you.

I'm moving on before this turns into flamebait.

 

[Link19]

I wish Windows XP SP2 would have been more like a normal MS Service Pack. That way, there wouldn't be all the compatibility problems people are facing. I mean if you tweak XP SP2 to disable the firewall and DEP, isn't it then just like a normal MS Service Pack?

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: Link19
I wish Windows XP SP2 would have been more like a normal MS Service Pack. That way, there wouldn't be all the compatibility problems people are facing. I mean if you tweak XP SP2 to disable the firewall and DEP, isn't it then just like a normal MS Service Pack?

You can rarely overhaul security in a system without pissing off a few people and/or programs.

 

[bfonnes]

Microsoft has a list of programs that Xp Sp2 broke on its support site... sorry, I don't have the link
BFonnes

 

[imported_Phil]

Originally posted by: carpenter
I installed SP2 on all my comps and when I did the 3rd and last one, it won't run. Keep getting a message with a red cross in it saying RPC is ending and then it reboots. Tried going into safe mode and reverting to an earlier time, uninstalling SP2, system restore, can't get any of them to complete before it reboots. I don't know. Got a lot of important files on this comp.

You have a virus.