[problem TBD]

I do not doubt the existance of ADD/ADHD, however they are just being abused as a band-aid for poor parenting skills.

Not in my son's case and yes I took that very personally.

Have you done extensive studies to back up that statement ?

I am not going to bother to try to educate and/or argue/debate with you people anymore.

 

[Modeps]

Easy Roger. That was not aimed at you (I even wished you the best in a previous post), that was aimed at the alarming number of children that 'need' the drug. No, I have not done independant studies. My wife however, is a special ed teacher that sees it daily. Take a look at the "symptoms" of ADD and tell me which of these do not define a "normal" active child?

_ Often fidgeting with hands or feet, or squirming while seated.
_ Having difficulty remaining seated.
_ Being easily distracted by extraneous stimuli.
_ Having difficulty awaiting turn in games or group activities.
_ Often blurting out answers before questions are completed.
_ Having difficulty in following instructions.
_ Having difficulty sustaining attention in tasks or play activities.
_Often shifting from one uncompleted task to another.
_ Having difficulty playing quietly.
_Often talking excessively.
_ Often interrupting or intruding on others.
_ Often not listening to what is being said.
_Often forgetting things necessary for tasks or activities.
_Often engaging in physically dangerous activities without considering possible consequences.

They say to be diagnosed with ADD you need to exhibit x number of these. It's very easy to see them all in any child.

 

[Ogg]

Roger has your son always been on Adderall?
I have also heard good things about Strattera, and durocshark has real experience with it.

I think the thing that gets many people riled up is that its amphetamines that we are dosing out to the kids!!
Theres no doubt it works, it was a medical breakthrough years ago when it was discovered what speed could do. It has real benefits. But for a lifetime?

 

[EXman]

it is 6 of those and it a constant thing not every once in a while that these happen. Anytime I see an Add in the paper that says detail oriented as a prerequisete (sp) I just keep going on That is why I do sales, PR, customer service jobs as it is more people oriented and I do not have to spell check everything. And I am best on my feet except every once in awhile I get a little social anxiety which is not so good.

Beer I think Roger Got your BS a couple posts back good catch Roger...

 

[Modeps]

Taken from the Sopranos:

Often fidgets with hands or feet.
He fidgets with hands or feet?
That's right.
You mean like he fidgets?
Uh-huh.
That's a sickness, to fidget?
Mr. Soprano, it's one of nine possible symptoms.
What constitutes a fidget?
Tony.
No, no, what constitutes a fidget? I mean, so what if he fidgets, he's in school. Who doesn't fidget in school?
He doesn't wait his turn.
The kids in puberty, he gets a hard-on every ten minutes, for chrissake.
Anthony is a borderline case--
hold it, he's not a case, he's a 13-year-old boy. That's the trouble with you people. Every time you see a problem you turn it into a disease. He's a kid who made a mistake and he's gonna pay for it. But he's gonna be fine. C'mon.
Frankly, I think he's right.
I don't think we should have to pay for this testing, either.

 

Easy Roger. That was not aimed at you (I even wished you the best in a previous post), that was aimed at the alarming number of children that 'need' the drug. No, I have not done independant studies. My wife however, is a special ed teacher that sees it daily. Take a look at the "symptoms" of ADD and tell me which of these do not define a "normal" active child?


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_ Often fidgeting with hands or feet, or squirming while seated.
_ Having difficulty remaining seated.
_ Being easily distracted by extraneous stimuli.
_ Having difficulty awaiting turn in games or group activities.
_ Often blurting out answers before questions are completed.
_ Having difficulty in following instructions.
_ Having difficulty sustaining attention in tasks or play activities.
_Often shifting from one uncompleted task to another.
_ Having difficulty playing quietly.
_Often talking excessively.
_ Often interrupting or intruding on others.
_ Often not listening to what is being said.
_Often forgetting things necessary for tasks or activities.
_Often engaging in physically dangerous activities without considering possible consequences.
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They say to be diagnosed with ADD you need to exhibit x number of these. It's very easy to see them all in any child.

Easy Roger. That was not aimed at you

Fair enough Modeps 🙂

As for that list you posted as qouted above, my boy is far beyond that, way beyond that, I have obseved him in class at school many times, his behavior is not normal, all the other children in his class do not act like he does, when told to calm down and stop, all the children listen to as what they are told, Aaron (my boy) tries but cannot stop, he knows what is happening but his actions are involuntary, understand ?

This applies to all the activities in his life, be it school work, carrying on a conversation, playing, anything, he just cannot voluntarily control himself.

I have had several brain scans performed on him at Yale Childrens Medical Center, they confirmed excessive activity in the part of the brain that controls his motor functions, self discipline and his behavioral center.

His brain does not function in a normal manner, plain and simple, he has been diagnosed by several physicians and phycologists as having ADHD and I agree with them.

Without this medicine, he cannot under any circumstance function in any normal way in society or even with his family, it is impossible for him to do so.


Oh, and taking excepts from the Sopranos does not lend any credibilty to your arguement, it's a TV show for christs sake ! 😉

 

[Modeps]

Originally posted by: Roger
Fair enough Modeps 🙂

As for that list you posted as qouted above, my boy is far beyond that, way beyond that, I have obseved him in class at school many times, his behavior is not normal, all the other children in his class do not act like he does, when told to calm down and stop, all the children listen to as what they are told, Aaron (my boy) tries but cannot stop, he knows what is happening but his actions are involuntary, understand ?

This applies to all the activities in his life, be it school work, carrying on a conversation, playing, anything, he just cannot voluntarily control himself.

I have had several brain scans performed on him at Yale Childrens Medical Center, they confirmed excessive activity in the part of the brain that controls his motor functions, self discipline and his behavioral center.

His brain does not function in a normal manner, plain and simple, he has been diagnosed by several physicians and phycologists as having ADHD and I agree with them.

Without this medicine, he cannot under any circumstance function in any normal way in society or even with his family, it is impossible for him to do so.


Oh, and taking excepts from the Sopranos does not lend any credibilty to your arguement, it's a TV show for christs sake ! 😉

I truly hope that everything goes well with your son Roger, and I believe you that he has ADHD. I pretty sure I remember reading in the past where you've gone to great lengths on this topic, even though it may be a difficult topic for you.

Yes I know it's a TV show, I just thought it was a pretty funny, yet poignant exchange. 😉

 

Yes I know it's a TV show, I just thought it was a pretty funny, yet poignant exchange.

Bahahaha 🙂

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Roger

Easy Roger. That was not aimed at you (I even wished you the best in a previous post), that was aimed at the alarming number of children that 'need' the drug. No, I have not done independant studies. My wife however, is a special ed teacher that sees it daily. Take a look at the "symptoms" of ADD and tell me which of these do not define a "normal" active child?


quote:

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_ Often fidgeting with hands or feet, or squirming while seated.
_ Having difficulty remaining seated.
_ Being easily distracted by extraneous stimuli.
_ Having difficulty awaiting turn in games or group activities.
_ Often blurting out answers before questions are completed.
_ Having difficulty in following instructions.
_ Having difficulty sustaining attention in tasks or play activities.
_Often shifting from one uncompleted task to another.
_ Having difficulty playing quietly.
_Often talking excessively.
_ Often interrupting or intruding on others.
_ Often not listening to what is being said.
_Often forgetting things necessary for tasks or activities.
_Often engaging in physically dangerous activities without considering possible consequences.
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They say to be diagnosed with ADD you need to exhibit x number of these. It's very easy to see them all in any child.

Easy Roger. That was not aimed at you

Fair enough Modeps 🙂

As for that list you posted as qouted above, my boy is far beyond that, way beyond that, I have obseved him in class at school many times, his behavior is not normal, all the other children in his class do not act like he does, when told to calm down and stop, all the children listen to as what they are told, Aaron (my boy) tries but cannot stop, he knows what is happening but his actions are involuntary, understand ?

This applies to all the activities in his life, be it school work, carrying on a conversation, playing, anything, he just cannot voluntarily control himself.

I have had several brain scans performed on him at Yale Childrens Medical Center, they confirmed excessive activity in the part of the brain that controls his motor functions, self discipline and his behavioral center.

His brain does not function in a normal manner, plain and simple, he has been diagnosed by several physicians and phycologists as having ADHD and I agree with them.

Without this medicine, he cannot under any circumstance function in any normal way in society or even with his family, it is impossible for him to do so.


Oh, and taking excepts from the Sopranos does not lend any credibilty to your arguement, it's a TV show for christs sake ! 😉

da-amn. I am not sure what I have now. Like I said, it is a lethargic feeling, but nothing like the involuntary stuff you described.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: Roger

I do not doubt the existance of ADD/ADHD, however they are just being abused as a band-aid for poor parenting skills.

Not in my son's case and yes I took that very personally.

Have you done extensive studies to back up that statement ?

I am not going to bother to try to educate and/or argue/debate with you people anymore.

Your son might need the drugs. He might have had some other thing happen or be going on, as well. Maybe something in his diet is aggrevating it, maybe he had some reaction to a vaccine, etc. etc., maybe he just got a bad dose of chance when the chromosomes came in and he started splitting off becoming human.
That stuff happens. We're given our lives, and should live them.

However, there are many people out there who believe doctors and school counselors more than themselves, and will band-aid the problem, even when there are many good steps that can be taken to help outside of doing that.
Overdiagnosis is a problem. Overmedication is a problem. Some people have no better recourse--I can't be safe going out of the house w/o Albuterol, and become a walking rash w/o Zyrtec for a few days. However, most people have other avenues to follow than just drugs, and many of them do not try them.