Problem of the modern world, in a nutshell

futuristicmonkey

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I was just thinking about that new movie coming out, 300. Those Greeks did NOT f*ck around: they bathed their new-born children in wine to determine if they were strong enough for their society! Why is the West (this is coming from a Canadian whom is not an anti-American) becoming such a bunch of retarded, fat, spineless assholes? In almost every way we are diverging from the beliefs of that beautiful, strong, courageous paradigm of the ancient Greeks (and the Romans, too). It's disgusting.

Don't get me wrong, it's my belief that democracy and capitalism offer the best that we offer, for they most accept change and allow (when they are administered most closely to their quintessential ideals) those who are willing to put in the work to succeed, as it should be! You should not be able to get any reward from suing McDonald's for having not-so-healthy food. If you are not going to work-out/exercise in a reasonable regimen, DON'T eat it every freakin day!

I cannot understand those that complain about the Mexican invasion, for that is what it is, and then do nothing; they do not try to hold their government accountable -- instead they only complain, and only by themselves. I hate seeing my American brothers suffer due to this, for we are only separated by a border -- imply anything else and you're just trying to grab attention.

We'd likely be speaking German or Russian if the West was as weak as it is now, and this reminds me of something else. If George Bush is the sole root of the problem in the Mid East right now...let it come to a vote to decide if he really is. He's not at fault solely for anything -- it's your duty as a citizen to make sure he's doing a good job. At any rate, support your local firefighters, policemen, soldiers, EMT's...and have faith in your fellow man.

Someone needs to stand up now....because the sh*t we've done to the earth and our fellow man in our time on this earth may end up biting us squarely on our collective ass -- and then it'll be too late.

This comes from neither a religious nor blindly-atheist citizen of one of the greatest countries on this earth. I'm not here to incite anything that doesn't, imho, need to be brought up.

Have a good day.
 

Canai

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P&N------------->

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edit: and George Bush isn't the root of the problem in the Mid East. He's the root of evil.
 

NuclearNed

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The Greek and Roman empires both fell. Perhaps they weren't as great as you seem to think.
 

uhohs

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do you admire the nambla like goodness of greek/roman culture as well?
 

futuristicmonkey

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Originally posted by: Canai
P&N------------->

:)

edit: and George Bush isn't the root of the problem in the Mid East. He's the root of evil.

I wasn't trying to imply one or the other.

Originally posted by: uhohs
do you admire the nambla like goodness of greek/roman culture as well?

Originally posted by: preslove
The greeks also fvcked young boys...

I'm not dignifying this bullshit with an answer.
 

Mucho

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Remember Greece's history was written by Greeks as Napoleon said "history but a fable agreed upon."
 

Canai

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Originally posted by: futuristicmonkey
Originally posted by: Canai
P&N------------->

:)

edit: and George Bush isn't the root of the problem in the Mid East. He's the root of evil.

I wasn't trying to imply one or the other.

Originally posted by: uhohs
do you admire the nambla like goodness of greek/roman culture as well?

Originally posted by: preslove
The greeks also fvcked young boys...

I'm not dignifying this bullshit with an answer.

But did you not just answer it, thereby dignifying it?? :confused:
 

futuristicmonkey

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Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: futuristicmonkey
Originally posted by: Canai
P&N------------->

:)

edit: and George Bush isn't the root of the problem in the Mid East. He's the root of evil.

I wasn't trying to imply one or the other.

Originally posted by: uhohs
do you admire the nambla like goodness of greek/roman culture as well?

Originally posted by: preslove
The greeks also fvcked young boys...

I'm not dignifying this bullshit with an answer.

But did you not just answer it, thereby dignifying it?? :confused:

I'm not dignifying..... :p
 

preslove

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Originally posted by: futuristicmonkey
Originally posted by: Canai
P&N------------->

:)

edit: and George Bush isn't the root of the problem in the Mid East. He's the root of evil.

I wasn't trying to imply one or the other.

Originally posted by: uhohs
do you admire the nambla like goodness of greek/roman culture as well?

Originally posted by: preslove
The greeks also fvcked young boys...

I'm not dignifying this bullshit with an answer.

uhm... it's the truth. It was a MAJOR part of Spartan society.
 

futuristicmonkey

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Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: futuristicmonkey
Originally posted by: Canai
P&N------------->

:)

edit: and George Bush isn't the root of the problem in the Mid East. He's the root of evil.

I wasn't trying to imply one or the other.

Originally posted by: uhohs
do you admire the nambla like goodness of greek/roman culture as well?

Originally posted by: preslove
The greeks also fvcked young boys...

I'm not dignifying this bullshit with an answer.

uhm... it's the truth. It was a MAJOR part of Spartan society.

I know that. I just chose not to mention it because it contributed nothing to my overall point. What I refer to as bullshit in this case is the fact that they contributed nothing, either; both posts just the efforts of two trolls.
 

BrownTown

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IF you think the Greeks were any better off than we are you are kidding yourself, a few examples of bravery don't changethe fact that their society was just as corrupt and decadent as any other in history. Also, since when has killing newborn children been a good moral virtue? Maybe you should move to China if you support such tactics.

Also, as was already stated, the ancient "historians" were just as concerned with making their own countires look good as they were with being accurate. The numbers states regarding the relative sizes of the Greek and Persian armies are simply not physically possible. Every historian nowadays agrees with this fact, the onyl argument is just how much BS the stories were. IMO Sparta is a terrible society to try to idolize, they were VERY brutal, and contributed very little, all they were good at was ensalving others and forcing them to do the work while the Spartans trained for warfare. While Athens was a centre of learning and the foundation of modern philosophical and political thought which is read to this day all Sparta contributed was a bunch of bloody battles, and while Athens is still a thriving city Sparta no longer exists.

 

3NF

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It could be that instead of providing value added to society, we post meaningless drivel here :)
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: BrownTown
IF you think the Greeks were any better off than we are you are kidding yourself, a few examples of bravery don't changethe fact that their society was just as corrupt and decadent as any other in history. Also, since when has killing newborn children been a good moral virtue? Maybe you should move to China if you support such tactics.

Also, as was already stated, the ancient "historians" were just as concerned with making their own countires look good as they were with being accurate. The numbers states regarding the relative sizes of the Greek and Persian armies are simply not physically possible. Every historian nowadays agrees with this fact, the onyl argument is just how much BS the stories were. IMO Sparta is a terrible society to try to idolize, they were VERY brutal, and contributed very little, all they were good at was ensalving others and forcing them to do the work while the Spartans trained for warfare. While Athens was a centre of learning and the foundation of modern philosophical and political thought which is read to this day all Sparta contributed was a bunch of bloody battles, and while Athens is still a thriving city Sparta no longer exists.

Actually modern Sparta was re-established next to the ruins of the old city. While I certainly do not think that their society/military ethos should be emulated as a general plan, it has it's place as an example for many in our armed forces (particularly the more elite parts). Sparta did contribute significantly to the survival of Greece so you can't completely condemn them.


<---family is from Sparta :D

 

futuristicmonkey

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Originally posted by: BrownTown
Also, since when has killing newborn children been a good moral virtue? Maybe you should move to China if you support such tactics.

Who here has not, just once, read/heard about a developmentally delayed/handicapped person who seems to be beyond all visible hope, and thought about the benefits of euthanasia. Sure, it's a despicable thought, but once in a while it sure seems like it'd be the right plan.

One or two people cannot decide whether or not this is good for an entire society -- I was not trying to imply that we start filtering our society this instant -- but it sure seems like a damned good idea, sometimes. Things like this could only reasonably be determined by a vote -- the greatest flexing of the muscle that is democracy.
 

PingSpike

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Sparta still would have lost that war if it wasn't for Athen's naval effort. You're holding up one city state of a society that was basically the sum of its parts as the reason for all their success, and worst of all its probably the wrong one. While Greece's well trained troops and war tactics were ingenious, the Greeks real achievement was advanced technology, art and culture...things which Athens was considered the center of. That technology is applied to warfare as well. The spartans were totally badass, but they were small in number and would have been overrun without the other city states.
 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: preslove
The greeks also fvcked young boys...

The Romans did their share of this as well; the important issue was who's on top.
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: preslove
The greeks also fvcked young boys...

The Romans did their share of this as well; the important issue was who's on top.

more or less true, except the Greeks just didn't talk about as much as the Romans

sometimes it was a status thing or bonding thing
 

futuristicmonkey

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Originally posted by: PingSpike
Sparta still would have lost that war if it wasn't for Athen's naval effort. You're holding up one city state of a society that was basically the sum of its parts as the reason for all their success, and worst of all its probably the wrong one. While Greece's well trained troops and war tactics were ingenious, the Greeks real achievement was advanced technology, art and culture...things which Athens was considered the center of. That technology is applied to warfare as well. The spartans were totally badass, but they were small in number and would have been overrun without the other city states.

I concur completely with what you say - I suppose I should have made it clear that I was only using the Spartans as an example of how harshness is sometimes the right answer.