Probably the worst job in the Military at this point

[EagleKeeper]

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Guantanamo hearing grows heated at mention of "torture"

Military defense Lawyers in this case - talk about doing your job.

 

[ichy]

11 years since 9/11 and these trials are finally getting under way? The Nuremburg trials started about half a year after the end of WW2 in Europe and lasted ten months including sentencing. In almost every other area we have become faster and better at doing things but the law has taken a giant leap backwards.

 

[EagleKeeper]

11 years since 9/11 and these trials are finally getting under way? The Nuremburg trials started about half a year after the end of WW2 in Europe and lasted ten months including sentencing. In almost every other area we have become faster and better at doing things but the law has taken a giant leap backwards.

In WWII; the war was concluded.

Here, Iraq has concluded, not Afghanistan

 

[fstime]

Well, the difference between WWII and the "War on Terror" is one is completely made up by our government to justify its recent actions and instill fear into the people.

The secret is they don't want it to ever end and the War on Terror will never end because it is impossible to prevail. Especially when our actions of land occupations and drone strikes only provoke people even further.

We are just helping to keep the military industrial complex alive and well while giving the people an excuse for the government to strip them of their rights and privacy.

It is also very convenient when the government can simply label organizations or individuals they do not agree with as terrorists and quickly take action against them. A term they throw around like candy these days.

 

[ichy]

In WWII; the war was concluded.

Here, Iraq has concluded, not Afghanistan

I don't see how the ongoing war in Afghanistan prevents us from executing guys like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

Our legal system is broken. They've spent months arguing about whether the Fort Hood shooter can be forcibly shaved. The inmates are running the asylum.

 

[nehalem256]

I don't see how the ongoing war in Afghanistan prevents us from executing guys like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

Our legal system is broken. They've spent months arguing about whether the Fort Hood shooter can be forcibly shaved.[b/] The inmates are running the asylum.

Really? I hope by shaved, you mean beheaded.

 

[Texashiker]

Hopefully someone will be brought to trial over this torture, especially the guards or cia who preformed the acts.

The Nuremberg trials proved "I was following orders" is no excuse for human rights violations.

 

[shortylickens]

I came in to say "Boatswains Mate?" but yeah I guess yur right.

 

[ichy]

Hopefully someone will be brought to trial over this torture, especially the guards or cia who preformed the acts.

The Nuremberg trials proved "I was following orders" is no excuse for human rights violations.

If torture got valuable information out of dangerous terrorists then it was justified.

 

[Texashiker]

If torture got valuable information out of dangerous terrorists then it was justified.

If torture got information out of dangerous jews, or dangerous blacks, or dangerous native americans, or dangerous mormons, or dangerous japenese-americans, or dangerous drug dealers,,,, would it be ok in those cases as well?

If torture works on terrorist, what about drugs dealers? Can we take someone that is selling an ounce of weed and torture that person to find his source?

What about a crack whore, can we torture her to find out where she is buying her crack from?

 

[ichy]

Enough with the lame slippery slope argument. A grant total of three people were waterboarded. It's not a big deal.

 

[Texashiker]

A grant total of three people were waterboarded. It's not a big deal.

That is three people too many.

Didn't the founding fathers protest the use of torture, and inhumane treatment of prisoners by the british?

But yet, we have become what our forefathers fought against.

One of the principles this nation was founded on was the protection of individual liberties. That also includes protection from inhumane treatment.

 

[ichy]

We have a constitution that protects Americans and people on US soil. It was never meant to protect illegal combatants who plan acts of war against us from foreign countries.

 

[Jaskalas]

In WWII; the war was concluded.

Here, Iraq has concluded, not Afghanistan

What freaking difference would that make here?

Our system is paralyzed.

 

[Texashiker]

We have a constitution that protects Americans and people on US soil. It was never meant to protect illegal combatants who plan acts of war against us from foreign countries.

I thought the Geneva convention, the rules of war, and common human decency prohibited torture?

 

[Jaskalas]

I thought the Geneva convention, the rules of war, and common human decency prohibited torture?

Rules of war... enemy on the battlefield without a uniform, immediately execute them as a spy. Case closed.

 

[ichy]

I thought the Geneva convention, the rules of war, and common human decency prohibited torture?

Jaskalas beat me to it. The Geneva Convention and the "rules of war" for the most part protect legal, uniformed combatants. Al-Qaeda members do not qualify as such.

During the Second World War there were German soldiers who tried to sneak behind American lines wearing captured American uniforms. When they were caught they were tried by drumhead court martials and executed on the spot. All of this was perfectly legal according to the rules of war because of their use of a false flag. Terrorists who aren't part of a legitimate army have even fewer protections.

 

[Texashiker]

Jaskalas beat me to it. The Geneva Convention and the "rules of war" for the most part protect legal, uniformed combatants. Al-Qaeda members do not qualify as such.

During the Second World War there were German soldiers who tried to sneak behind American lines wearing captured American uniforms. When they were caught they were tried by drumhead court martials and executed on the spot. All of this was perfectly legal according to the rules of war because of their use of a false flag. Terrorists who aren't part of a legitimate army have even fewer protections.

Where in there do we have the right to detain someone for a decade and torture them?

 

[ichy]

We have the "right" to do whatever we want. The detainees in question are not Americans, they were not captured on US soil and they aren't members of any kind of legitimate military. Neither the US Constitution or the traditional rules of war protect them. Sucks to be an Al-Qaeda member!

 

[Texashiker]

We have the "right" to do whatever we want.

Kinda like we did with the native Americans, and blacks?

Kinda like what Germany did with the Jews?

Kinda like what Julius Caesar did with the Gauls?

Because it happening to someone else then its ok?

At what point do we stop justifying the slaughter/torture of people because of their race, religion or beliefs?

 

[ichy]

Waterboarding someone who is arguably the worst human being on the face of the planet in order to save potentially hundreds of lives is not in any way equivalent to the Holocaust.

 

[Jaskalas]

At what point do we stop justifying the slaughter/torture of people because of their race, religion or beliefs?

Huh...

The terrorist's belief is to act in your killing. The world tends to agree in stopping those sorts of people.

 

[nehalem256]

Waterboarding someone who is arguably the worst human being on the face of the planet in order to save potentially hundreds of lives is not in any way equivalent to the Holocaust.

Its more like if say some Jews had got a hold of Hitler after WWII and waterboarded him.

 

[Texashiker]

Waterboarding someone who is arguably the worst human being on the face of the planet in order to save potentially hundreds of lives is not in any way equivalent to the Holocaust.

But it was the terrible Jew bankers that had ruined Germanys economy.

Blacks are not people like whites.

Native Americans are just stupid savages.

You see how easy it is to justify actions?

Huh...

The terrorist's belief is to act in your killing. The world tends to agree in stopping those sorts of people.

Part of the problem is we are on what the muslims consider holy land.

We are trespassing on their land. At least in their eyes.

 

[Juror No. 8]

Well, the difference between WWII and the "War on Terror" is one is completely made up by our government to justify its recent actions and instill fear into the people.

The secret is they don't want it to ever end and the War on Terror will never end because it is impossible to prevail. Especially when our actions of land occupations and drone strikes only provoke people even further.

We are just helping to keep the military industrial complex alive and well while giving the people an excuse for the government to strip them of their rights and privacy.

It is also very convenient when the government can simply label organizations or individuals they do not agree with as terrorists and quickly take action against them. A term they throw around like candy these days.

Well said.