Probably the Last Statement from Ray Jasper, who was put to death 19 March 2014

[blackdogdeek]

regardless of my feelings about his crime?

Fuck him. How's that for my feelings about his crime. I do not care what someone like him says or does. Every second that he uses oxygen and costs taxpayers money is a waste. I'm pissed that the taxpayers had to pay for the paper he wrote on.

I hope his last statement was "oh shit that hurts".

Do you feel anyone who commits murder is unsalvageable as a person? Can no one ever be redeemed? If so, then shouldn't all murderers be put to death? Why bother with incarceration?

I'm not trying to start a flamewar but knowing ATOT it will probably become so. I'm honestly interested in everyone's viewpoints because I myself struggle with my own feelings about the death penalty (moreso these days now that I'm a parent).

 

[Mai72]

He was lucky to be doing time in America. Now, imagine if you have to go through the legal system in a country like Thailand.

Drugs- 40 years.
Murder- Death. And you don't get to sit on death row for 20 years either. Death is quick and can happen at any time. No appeals.

Imagine living in a small cell that houses over 100 inmates. Inmates transmit diseases to each other very easily.

I'm not saying that living in an American jail is a fun time. It is not! But I don't feel sorry for him.

 

[smackababy]

Do you feel anyone who commits murder is unsalvageable as a person? Can no one ever be redeemed? If so, then shouldn't all murderers be put to death? Why bother with incarceration?

I'm not trying to start a flamewar but knowing ATOT it will probably become so. I'm honestly interested in everyone's viewpoints because I myself struggle with my own feelings about the death penalty (moreso these days now that I'm a parent).

It depends on the way the murder was carried out. 1st degree? Death penalty, without question. Someone who catches their beloved in bed with another man and flies of the hinge? Sure, I'll get behind that one as well; death penalty. Have some restraint... Someone who robs a liquor store and shoots the clerk? Yep. Someone who robs a liquor store, drops a bottle, causes a slipping hazard, and the clerk slips while chasing him, hits his head on the ground and bleeds to death? Eh, it wasn't really his intention to kill the guy and it kind of just happened. I'm okay with no death penalty on this one.

 

[rudeguy]

Do you feel anyone who commits murder is unsalvageable as a person? Can no one ever be redeemed? If so, then shouldn't all murderers be put to death? Why bother with incarceration?

I'm not trying to start a flamewar but knowing ATOT it will probably become so. I'm honestly interested in everyone's viewpoints because I myself struggle with my own feelings about the death penalty (moreso these days now that I'm a parent).

its not a matter of being salvageable. Its a matter of them loosing their right to be considered a person. Once you cross the line, you lost that right. Be it murdering someone in cold blood, raping someone, harming a child, you are out of society.

If you do not take a hard stance, then anyone is free to commit whatever brutal crime they want. All they have to do is say they are sorry afterwards.

I truly hope he found God and the forgiveness only He can offer.

 

[blackdogdeek]

its not a matter of being salvageable. Its a matter of them loosing their right to be considered a person. Once you cross the line, you lost that right. Be it murdering someone in cold blood, raping someone, harming a child, you are out of society.

I agree that the person should be kept from society. But should this person be put to death?

 

[Blackjack200]

He was lucky to be doing time in America. Now, imagine if you have to go through the legal system in a country like Thailand.

Drugs- 40 years.
Murder- Death. And you don't get to sit on death row for 20 years either. Death is quick and can happen at any time. No appeals.

Imagine living in a small cell that houses over 100 inmates. Inmates transmit diseases to each other very easily.

I'm not saying that living in an American jail is a fun time. It is not! But I don't feel sorry for him.

Doesn't Singapore hang you for drugs?

 

[blackdogdeek]

It depends on the way the murder was carried out. 1st degree? Death penalty, without question. Someone who catches their beloved in bed with another man and flies of the hinge? Sure, I'll get behind that one as well; death penalty. Have some restraint... Someone who robs a liquor store and shoots the clerk? Yep. Someone who robs a liquor store, drops a bottle, causes a slipping hazard, and the clerk slips while chasing him, hits his head on the ground and bleeds to death? Eh, it wasn't really his intention to kill the guy and it kind of just happened. I'm okay with no death penalty on this one.

Ok, I'm playing devil's advocate now.

What if an adult male is discovered living among wild animals and is integrated back into society. This male then intentionally kills another human being arguably because he doesn't understand the value of human life.

Death penalty or incarceration?

 

[surfsatwerk]

Ok, I'm playing devil's advocate now.

What if an adult male is discovered living among wild animals and is integrated back into society. This male then intentionally kills another human being arguably because he doesn't understand the value of human life.

Death penalty or incarceration?

Reality TV show

 

[Gunslinger08]

I agree that the person should be kept from society. But should this person be put to death?

I don't think it's the role of government to kill people who aren't an active threat, when there's a viable alternative (incarceration). Do you think the death penalty would be approved today if it had never been thought of before? It's a holdover from a time when we didn't have State run prisons. They didn't have the manpower or resources to segregate, house, feed, etc. criminals, so they were killed for serious crimes or received corporal punishment for lesser crimes.

 

[rudeguy]

I agree that the person should be kept from society. But should this person be put to death?

Yes

Quickly.

 

[blackdogdeek]

Yes

Quickly.

What about a child who commits murder?

 

[rudeguy]

What about a child who commits murder?

what about a child that commits murder? Unless you have real, actual cases to bring up, don't try to play the "what about the children!!!" card.

 

[master_shake_]

erase his brain and put him in combat

seems like a simple solution.

 

[blackdogdeek]

Do you think the death penalty would be approved today if it had never been thought of before?

That's another interesting question. Actually, I do believe there are some states that would approve it but this is an uneducated opinion.

 

[smackababy]

Ok, I'm playing devil's advocate now.

What if an adult male is discovered living among wild animals and is integrated back into society. This male then intentionally kills another human being arguably because he doesn't understand the value of human life.

Death penalty or incarceration?

How was he 'integrated' back into society? And who decided he wasn't a danger? Also, human intelligence (if he was of normal mental capacity) is enough to understand "don't kill things!" If, this person cannot understand that, no reintegration would be attempted and if they couldn't be sure, he should be put down. He would pose a danger, not only to society, but to other inmates and guards. An Old Yeller rule is applicable.

 

[M0oG0oGaiPan]

come on now. if you live in texas you already know how harsh the courts can be. why be an idiot about it?

 

[blackdogdeek]

what about a child that commits murder? Unless you have real, actual cases to bring up, don't try to play the "what about the children!!!" card.

Ok, this isn't really a very young child but 14 years old is still pretty young:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/massachuse...bbing-death-danvers-teacher/story?id=20656240

I'll see if I can find anything else.

 

[rudeguy]

Ok, this isn't really a very young child but 14 years old is still pretty young:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/massachuse...bbing-death-danvers-teacher/story?id=20656240

I'll see if I can find anything else.

You mean the 6'2" "child" that repeatedly stabbed his teacher, put her body in a recycle bin, then dumped her in the woods?

Yep. Fry him.

 

[alkemyst]

It's a long read but I found it well worth it and made all the more sad by the fact that he is no longer of this world.

Are you a sociopath or pretending to be on on ATOT?

 

[DigDog]

Ding ding ding!!

erase his brain and put him in combat

seems like a simple solution.

We have a winner

 

[HamburgerBoy]

lol @ anyone that assumes eloquence is an indication of non-violence. Glad the "rabid dog" was put down.

 

[Fatdog]

You mean the 6'2" "child" that sexually assaulted, repeatedly stabbed his teacher with a box cutter, put her body in a recycle bin, then dumped her in the woods and took in a movie?

Yep. Fry him.

FTFY and agreed.

 

[DrPizza]

He does address how the youth need better role models than Jay-Z and Rick Ross and that they need to understand their own history in order to understand what is really important in life.

Weird. The slaves in the US became non-slaves a couple of decades before my ancestors ever emigrated to the U.S. Oddly, I've never felt that knowing their history had any bearing whatsoever on knowing what is really important in life.

 

[Mai72]

Doesn't Singapore hang you for drugs?

I believe they do. I laugh when I see foreigners in trouble because they were selling drugs in SE Asia. They have the worst laws when it comes to selling drugs. You have to either be nuts or insane to buy and/or sell drugs in those countries.

 

[JMapleton]

None of us are innocent of crime or causing harm to another person.

Jail exists to keep these people away from society and so they should remain in jail. But no sane person kills another man. None of us can put ourselves in this persons shoes or know what caused him to do this.

Kind of funny. People saying he should be killed.....for the crime of killing. Hypocritical huh?