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Pro-lifers please shoot this down

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness,
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If you believe that everyone is created equal and endowed with certain unalienable rights, then those rights are endowed at the time of creation.
 
Jaskalas said:
Okay, abortion is murder 5 days after conception.

You're not really winning any points except to suggest plan-b is morally sound.
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Either we are all created equal, or we are not created equal.

If we are all created equal, then our rights start at the time of creation. These rights can not be taken away except through our due process of law.

If we are not created equal, then your rights can be taken away without due process of law. This includes your right to life can be taken away without due process.
 
Any checkpoint you choose between conception and the inflation of the lungs with atmospheric oxygen is going to be vague and seem to some person to be arbitrary.

Abortion isn't going away. Neither are people who don't want them, don't want to pay for them, and retain their freedom of speech to offend you.

In before n > 1 pages of nonsense and feelings.
 
Texashiker said:
If we are all created equal, then our rights start at the time of creation. .
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That doesn't really help. Creation isn't a single identifiable instant. It's a process. Do the rights vest at the start of the process, end of the process, or at some point during the process (such as when the process is sufficiently advanced that it is more likely to finish than fail).
 
Texashiker said:
Either we are all created equal, or we are not created equal.

If we are all created equal, then our rights start at the time of creation. These rights can not be taken away except through our due process of law.

If we are not created equal, then your rights can be taken away without due process of law. This includes your right to life can be taken away without due process.
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Now! Now! Check your Bible where it allows/commands parents to kill their disobedient child. And kill a favorite child to show your love for God. And on and on.

God's design? Over 50% of fertilized eggs are spontaneously aborted, this makes God the designer, the No. one abortionist.
 
Keep on reminding yourself that a fetus "isn't a person" if that's what you need to help you rationalize what is in most cases an immoral act done for convenience.
 
glenn1 said:
Keep on reminding yourself that a fetus "isn't a person" if that's what you need to help you rationalize what is in most cases an immoral act done for convenience.
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There are over 40 million abortions around the world every year. You know the situation of every one of those do you? Wow, must be nice to have such power. I hope that you only use it for good.
 
Texashiker said:
Either we are all created equal, or we are not created equal.

If we are all created equal, then our rights start at the time of creation. These rights can not be taken away except through our due process of law.

If we are not created equal, then your rights can be taken away without due process of law. This includes your right to life can be taken away without due process.
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The rights of the mother trump the rights of the fetus up until viability.

I know, it sucks we live in an imperfect world.

glenn1 said:
Keep on reminding yourself that a fetus "isn't a person" if that's what you need to help you rationalize what is in most cases an immoral act done for convenience.
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See above.

WHAMPOM said:
Now! Now! Check your Bible where it allows/commands parents to kill their disobedient child. And kill a favorite child to show your love for God. And on and on.

God's design? Over 50% of fertilized eggs are spontaneously aborted, this makes God the designer, the No. one abortionist.
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Thank you
 
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the author of that imbecilic exercise no where claims that "life does not begin at conception", what the atheist prog says is that a "person" does not exist at that point.

this distinction he claims removes the moral, ethical, spiritual, etc, etc responsibility from those who are too tired, lazy or stupid (leftist qualities, all) to use birth control.

for those who support abortion based on the life does not begin at conception argument - science is not your friend 😉

abortion_zpsf779c6bb.jpg
 
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row said:
the author of that imbecilic exercise no where claims that "life does not begin at conception", what the atheist prog says is that a "person" does not exist at that point.

this distinction he claims removes the moral, ethical, spiritual, etc, etc responsibility from those who are to tired, lazy or stupid (leftist qualities, all) to use birth control.

for those who support abortion based on the life does not begin at conception argument - science is not your friend 😉

abortion_zpsf779c6bb.jpg
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And for those unable to navigate and comprehend the law as decided by the USSC in Roe v. Wade; the rights of the mother outweigh the rights of the fetus up until viability.

Also, a conceived egg does not resemble the "other person's body" denoted in the pic; it looks more like: http://media.washtimes.com/media/co....jpg?44e3a4a8dd749d44a1b5dc40cb5aac743c89d5ad
 
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alzan said:
And for those unable to navigate and comprehend the law as decided by the USSC in Roe v. Wade; the rights of the mother outweigh the rights of the fetus up until viability....
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for those whose synaptic clefts have stretched beyond repair the court was also responsible for rulings like Plessy v. Ferguson and Dred Scott v. Sandford. :whiste:

did your statement actually have some purpose or meaning. 😕
 
alzan said:
And for those unable to navigate and comprehend the law as decided by the USSC in Roe v. Wade; the rights of the mother outweigh the rights of the fetus up until viability.
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The law is wrong.

Rights are granted at time of creation. Rights can not be based on if we meet certain requirements.

Either all people are created equal and all entitled to equal rights, or nobody at anytime is entitled to equal rights.

Society can not say "if you meet these requirments, then and only then are you entitled to rights."




WHAMPOM said:
Now! Now! Check your Bible where it allows/commands parents to kill their disobedient child.
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I am leaving religion out of this discussion.
 
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row said:
the author of that imbecilic exercise no where claims that "life does not begin at conception", what the atheist prog says is that a "person" does not exist at that point.

this distinction he claims removes the moral, ethical, spiritual, etc, etc responsibility from those who are too tired, lazy or stupid (leftist qualities, all) to use birth control.

for those who support abortion based on the life does not begin at conception argument - science is not your friend 😉

abortion_zpsf779c6bb.jpg
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Life is not the issue. A sperm cell is alive but it is not a person. I don't know anyone that is concerned about dead sperm cells.
 
row said:
for those whose synaptic clefts have stretched beyond repair the court was also responsible for rulings like Plessy v. Ferguson and Dred Scott v. Sandford. :whiste:

did your statement actually have some purpose or meaning. 😕
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Ah, so bad decisions by various Supreme Court makeups means other decisions by other Supreme Court makeups are also bad. Thanks for clearing that up.
 
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