Pro-Life, Pro-War, Pro-Death Penelty...

dmw16

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How can conservatives be for all three of these things? Isn't there a fundamental conflict in these three stances? Maybe this should be P&N, but I just want opinions and thoughts...
 

astralusion

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i figure it has to do with the fact that they consider an embryo to be an innocent life, whereas a criminal or enemy combatant would be considered a non-innocent life, and thus it isn't protected the same way???
 

oLLie

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Pro-Life has nothing to do with believing it is never justified to take the life of another human being. I think it has to do with believing it is never justified to take the life of an unborn baby. That's just my guess though.


*edit* Also.... take it to P&N!
 

Rogue

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People you can pick up and look at are different than those who haven't been born yet.

People who seek to destroy others by terror and destruction should be killed or made to fear their own actions.

People who have killed others with little care or concern should be dealt with in as harsh a manner as possible.

Now, those aren't 100% examples of my views, but some of the rationale behind the Republican thought process. Oh yeah, wrong forum too.
 

Koenigsegg

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Pro-life: against the killing of *innocent* beings
Pro-death penalty: for the killing of guilty beings who have killed others
Pro-war: Using military forces to defeat other military forces for the good of the world

You can throw in the whole Schiavo thing in the first category too.

They're vastly different really..
 

brxndxn

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Pro-Abortion, Against War, Against Death Penalty..

How can those crazy liberals be all three of these things?
 

Ilmater

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NO MORE REPLIES!!!! Take this to P&N!!!!!!!!!
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cKGunslinger

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1) Take it to P&N

2) Because the world is not fvcking black-n-white, no matter how myopic your narrow-minded view is.
 

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: astralusion
i figure it has to do with the fact that they consider an embryo to be an innocent life, whereas a criminal or enemy combatant would be considered a non-innocent life, and thus it isn't protected the same way???

That's it right there.

On the other hand, liberals tend to be Pro-Abortion, Anti-War, Anti-Death Penalty. That one is a little bit harder to explain.
 

What about the innocent Iraqi babies killed during shock and awe? Are they not worthy of life? Are unborn American babies' lives worth more than the lives of Iraqi babies?
 

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: jumpr
What about the innocent Iraqi babies killed during shock and awe? Are they not worthy of life? Are unborn American babies' lives worth more than the lives of Iraqi babies?

Are you talking about the ones in torture chambers, or the ones getting killed off by nerve gas? Or maybe the ones that were starving because food wasn't being allowed to them?
 

mercanucaribe

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Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: astralusion
i figure it has to do with the fact that they consider an embryo to be an innocent life, whereas a criminal or enemy combatant would be considered a non-innocent life, and thus it isn't protected the same way???

That's it right there.

On the other hand, liberals tend to be Pro-Abortion, Anti-War, Anti-Death Penalty. That one is a little bit harder to explain.

When a liberal is "pro abortion" as you say, it's based on the reasoning that an embryo or a fetus is not a human being, while enemy soldiers, murderers, and the innocent casualties of war are human. A conservative believes all of those are human, yet accepts killing of some but not others.
 

mercanucaribe

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Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: jumpr
What about the innocent Iraqi babies killed during shock and awe? Are they not worthy of life? Are unborn American babies' lives worth more than the lives of Iraqi babies?

Are you talking about the ones in torture chambers, or the ones getting killed off by nerve gas? Or maybe the ones that were starving because food wasn't being allowed to them?

Infant mortality skyrocketed after the Gulf War, and again after "Iraqi Freedom".
 

Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: jumpr
What about the innocent Iraqi babies killed during shock and awe? Are they not worthy of life? Are unborn American babies' lives worth more than the lives of Iraqi babies?

Are you talking about the ones in torture chambers, or the ones getting killed off by nerve gas? Or maybe the ones that were starving because food wasn't being allowed to them?
I'm talking about the ones that were killed by U.S. troops during bombing raids of suspected terrorists' homes. What about them?

This has nothing to do with Saddam Hussein's tactics while in power. This is about U.S. soldiers actions in Iraq.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: So
Why don't you take this sh!t to P&N where it belongs?
Yep.
Originally posted by: astralusion
i figure it has to do with the fact that they consider an embryo to be an innocent life, whereas a criminal or enemy combatant would be considered a non-innocent life, and thus it isn't protected the same way???
And yep.

Personally, I am pro-choice, anti-war, and pro-death penalty, but I don't see the "conservative" viewpoint as that difficult to understand, or as morally illogical.
 

Proletariat

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Embryos are not really living. Ya, Repubs make no sense. "Pro-Life" is the most retarded name they could have chosen as well. Why not Pro-Embryo or something more logical? Pro-Life is such an ambigious statement and doesn't really mesh with their other views.

Anyways you won't get anything here. This place isn't exactly a beacon of intelligence. I think of it more as a black hole which slowly consumes your soul and turns you into a lifeless being devoid of emotion. The peeps here are actually doing you a favor by telling you to move it to P and N.
 

astralusion

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could people please stop referring to people as pro-abortion...disregarding the few in that SO is raped topic (and that's a particular situation) people are not pro abortion they are pro choice so that people can at lesat have the option of abortion...