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Pro-life? Look at the fruits

aidanjm

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by Dr. Glen Harold Stassen

I am a Christian ethicist, and trained in statistical analysis. I am consistently pro-life. My son David is one witness. For my family, "pro-life" is personal. My wife caught rubella in the eighth week of her pregnancy. We decided not to terminate, to love and raise our baby. David is legally blind and severely handicapped; he also is a blessing to us and to the world.

I look at the fruits of political policies more than words. I analyzed the data on abortion during the George W. Bush presidency. There is no single source for this information - federal reports go only to 2000, and many states do not report - but I found enough data to identify trends. My findings are counterintuitive and disturbing.

Abortion was decreasing. When President Bush took office, the nation's abortion rates were at a 24-year low, after a 17.4% decline during the 1990s. This was an average decrease of 1.7% per year, mostly during the latter part of the decade. (This data comes from Minnesota Citizens Concerned for Life using the Guttmacher Institute's studies).

Enter George W. Bush in 2001. One would expect the abortion rate to continue its consistent course downward, if not plunge. Instead, the opposite happened.

I found three states that have posted multi-year statistics through 2003, and abortion rates have risen in all three: Kentucky's increased by 3.2% from 2000 to 2003. Michigan's increased by 11.3% from 2000 to 2003. Pennsylvania's increased by 1.9% from 1999 to 2002. I found 13 additional states that reported statistics for 2001 and 2002. Eight states saw an increase in abortion rates (14.6% average increase), and five saw a decrease (4.3% average decrease).

Under President Bush, the decade-long trend of declining abortion rates appears to have reversed. Given the trends of the 1990s, 52,000 more abortions occurred in the United States in 2002 than would have been expected before this change of direction.

How could this be? I see three contributing factors:

First, two thirds of women who abort say they cannot afford a child (Minnesota Citizens Concerned for Life Web site). In the past three years, unemployment rates increased half again. Not since Hoover had there been a net loss of jobs during a presidency until the current administration. Average real incomes decreased, and for seven years the minimum wage has not been raised to match inflation. With less income, many prospective mothers fear another mouth to feed.

Second, half of all women who abort say they do not have a reliable mate (Minnesota Citizens Concerned for Life). Men who are jobless usually do not marry. Only three of the 16 states had more marriages in 2002 than in 2001, and in those states abortion rates decreased. In the 16 states overall, there were 16,392 fewer marriages than the year before, and 7,869 more abortions. As male unemployment increases, marriages fall and abortion rises.

Third, women worry about health care for themselves and their children. Since 5.2 million more people have no health insurance now than before this presidency - with women of childbearing age overrepresented in those 5.2 million - abortion increases.

The U.S. Catholic Bishops warned of this likely outcome if support for families with children was cut back. My wife and I know - as does my son David - that doctors, nurses, hospitals, medical insurance, special schooling, and parental employment are crucial for a special child. David attended the Kentucky School for the Blind, as well as several schools for children with cerebral palsy and other disabilities. He was mainstreamed in public schools as well. We have two other sons and five grandchildren, and we know that every mother, father, and child needs public and family support.

What does this tell us? Economic policy and abortion are not separate issues; they form one moral imperative. Rhetoric is hollow, mere tinkling brass, without health care, health insurance, jobs, child care, and a living wage. Pro-life in deed, not merely in word, means we need policies that provide jobs and health insurance and support for prospective mothers.

Glen Stassen is the Lewis B. Smedes Professor of Christian Ethics at Fuller Theological Seminary, and the co-author of Kingdom Ethics: Following Jesus in Contemporary Context, Christianity Today's Book of the Year in theology or ethics.

 
Thats really reaching.

It's just got to be Bush's fault somehow right?

All the loss of jobs, that was only Bush's fault. How many people do you know that cannot find a job? Nevermind all the job increases we had recently, or the impact of 9-11.... that was bush's fault also. Two thirds of women who cant afford to have a child shouldnt get friggin pregnant, thats on them, not Bush. I'm pro-choice, but abortion isnt a back up plan.

 
Originally posted by: FallenHero96
Thats really reaching.

It's just got to be Bush's fault somehow right?

All the loss of jobs, that was only Bush's fault. How many people do you know that cannot find a job? Nevermind all the job increases we had recently, or the impact of 9-11.... that was bush's fault also. Two thirds of women who cant afford to have a child shouldnt get friggin pregnant, thats on them, not Bush. I'm pro-choice, but abortion isnt a back up plan.

Nothing is Bush's fault. He maybe President, but the "buck stops there".
 
Originally posted by: FallenHero96
Thats really reaching.

It's just got to be Bush's fault somehow right?

All the loss of jobs, that was only Bush's fault. How many people do you know that cannot find a job? Nevermind all the job increases we had recently, or the impact of 9-11.... that was bush's fault also. Two thirds of women who cant afford to have a child shouldnt get friggin pregnant, thats on them, not Bush. I'm pro-choice, but abortion isnt a back up plan.

The point is that economic policy, the job market, availability of affordable health and child care, and so on, will impact on the decision of individual women to have abortions.
 
Ok, so, if this article isnt a knock on Bush, lets summarize :

Dr. Stassen has reached the conclusion that women who cant afford to have a child, women that dont have a reliable mate, and women without health insurance, are more likely to have abortions.

Amazing.


 
Originally posted by: FallenHero96
Ok, so, if this article isnt a knock on Bush, lets summarize :

Dr. Stassen has reached the conclusion that women who cant afford to have a child, women that dont have a reliable mate, and women without health insurance, are more likely to have abortions.

Amazing.
No obvious.

 
Originally posted by: FallenHero96
Ok, so, if this article isnt a knock on Bush, lets summarize :

Dr. Stassen has reached the conclusion that women who cant afford to have a child, women that dont have a reliable mate, and women without health insurance, are more likely to have abortions.

Amazing.

You're not interpreting this article correctly. The author presented some statistics indicating that abortion rates have been in decline during the 90s, but have risen unexpectedly under Bush. (Actually, I have another article indicating that abortion rates rose under Reagan, declined dramatically under Clinton, and have begun to rise again under Bush). The author of the article has presented his own speculations as to why abortion rates should start to rise under a President who apparently so strongly opposes abortion. If you disagree with his speculations, then by all means present an alternative explanation.

To my mind, it makes sense that a pregnant women would consider things like the availability of affordable health care, employment, etc. when considering whether or not she would be able to raise a child.

 
Originally posted by: aidanjm

Economic policy and abortion are not separate issues; they form one moral imperative. Rhetoric is hollow, mere tinkling brass, without health care, health insurance, jobs, child care, and a living wage. Pro-life in deed, not merely in word, means we need policies that provide jobs and health insurance and support for prospective mothers.

Nice comparison, seems rather obvious but apparently not that many people see them so closly linked. Good post.
 
What is the author's intent with this article? If it is just to speculate why abortion rates are different under this current economic climate, then it certainly makes sense, as the factors he listed would certainly contribute to that, albiet not to a major extent.

Stassen admits he is "consistantly pro-life". I feel the article is somewhat biased, as if he is putting too much "blame" on the goverment, and not enough responsibility on individual choices.
 
Originally posted by: daveshel
Forth, women are afraid to raise a child in a country with such dangerous leadership.

You ever consider that they just may regret being inpregnated by liberals?

You ever consider not trolling?
 
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: FallenHero96
Thats really reaching.

It's just got to be Bush's fault somehow right?

All the loss of jobs, that was only Bush's fault. How many people do you know that cannot find a job? Nevermind all the job increases we had recently, or the impact of 9-11.... that was bush's fault also. Two thirds of women who cant afford to have a child shouldnt get friggin pregnant, thats on them, not Bush. I'm pro-choice, but abortion isnt a back up plan.

The point is that economic policy, the job market, availability of affordable health and child care, and so on, will impact on the decision of individual women to have abortions.

How about those factors impacting the choice to become pregnant in the first place. Do we just have that many women in the country that still don't know about contraception? Are they that stupid?

 
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: FallenHero96
Ok, so, if this article isnt a knock on Bush, lets summarize :

Dr. Stassen has reached the conclusion that women who cant afford to have a child, women that dont have a reliable mate, and women without health insurance, are more likely to have abortions.

Amazing.

You're not interpreting this article correctly. The author presented some statistics indicating that abortion rates have been in decline during the 90s, but have risen unexpectedly under Bush. (Actually, I have another article indicating that abortion rates rose under Reagan, declined dramatically under Clinton, and have begun to rise again under Bush). The author of the article has presented his own speculations as to why abortion rates should start to rise under a President who apparently so strongly opposes abortion. If you disagree with his speculations, then by all means present an alternative explanation.

To my mind, it makes sense that a pregnant women would consider things like the availability of affordable health care, employment, etc. when considering whether or not she would be able to raise a child.

I think you are missing the point, a decline in population is a good thing. The fact that these stupid women can't practice birth control to start with is the amazing part.

 
Originally posted by: FallenHero96
What is the author's intent with this article? If it is just to speculate why abortion rates are different under this current economic climate, then it certainly makes sense, as the factors he listed would certainly contribute to that, albiet not to a major extent.

Stassen admits he is "consistantly pro-life". I feel the article is somewhat biased, as if he is putting too much "blame" on the goverment, and not enough responsibility on individual choices.

I may be mislead a bit but where is what I got from the article;

Some women DO take into account their abililty to raise a child in a safe, happy and healthy enviroment before having them and do not just turn to religion or political ideology. Im glad to see women are taking these factors into account.
 
Do we just have that many women in the country that still don't know about contraception? Are they that stupid?


Maybe they just had the misfortune of only being exposed to abstinence-only 'education.'
 
Originally posted by: Longkid
Originally posted by: FallenHero96
What is the author's intent with this article? If it is just to speculate why abortion rates are different under this current economic climate, then it certainly makes sense, as the factors he listed would certainly contribute to that, albiet not to a major extent.

Stassen admits he is "consistantly pro-life". I feel the article is somewhat biased, as if he is putting too much "blame" on the goverment, and not enough responsibility on individual choices.

I may be mislead a bit but where is what I got from the article;

Some women DO take into account their abililty to raise a child in a safe, happy and healthy enviroment before having them and do not just turn to religion or political ideology. Im glad to see women are taking these factors into account.

Exactly. They are making the decision that they are not in a position to do a decent job raising a child in a situation where they don't have economic secuirty, or access to affordable child care, health care, and so on.
 
Originally posted by: aidanjm
The point is that economic policy, the job market, availability of affordable health and child care, and so on, will impact on the decision of individual women to have abortions.
Yes, and the president directly controls the economy. :roll:

Back to third grade economics for you!
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: aidanjm
The point is that economic policy, the job market, availability of affordable health and child care, and so on, will impact on the decision of individual women to have abortions.
Yes, and the president directly controls the economy. :roll:

Back to third grade economics for you!

If you don't think these huge deficits, instability in Iraq and its effect on oil prices, don't have an effect on the economy, then it's back to first grade economics for you!
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: aidanjm
The point is that economic policy, the job market, availability of affordable health and child care, and so on, will impact on the decision of individual women to have abortions.
Yes, and the president directly controls the economy. :roll:

that's your strawman, not my argument. kindly respond to the arguments I have actually made.
 
Interesting notion. Did you know that 10 states, including CA no longer report their abortion stats?

I see the increase as an economic function. The more wealth, the more abortion will occur.

I also still believe that women are not fully educated about the impact of abortion on their lives long after it occurs.
 
nothing is going to stop abortion, just whether it's done in an alley or in a sterile operating room.


I've said this many, many times - the holy rollers don't care though, the lives and rights of women don't concern them it seems.
 
Originally posted by: SuperTool
If you don't think these huge deficits, instability in Iraq and its effect on oil prices, don't have an effect on the economy, then it's back to first grade economics for you!
Why is the economy in such an upswing? None of the things you mentioned have changed.
Originally posted by: judasmachine
nothing is going to stop abortion, just whether it's done in an alley or in a sterile operating room.
Nothing is going to stop theft - just whether it's done in broad daylight or after dark. :roll:

The logic that something should remain legal simply because people will break the law prohibiting it is completely flawed.
Originally posted by: kage69
I've said this many, many times - the holy rollers don't care though, the lives and rights of women don't concern them it seems.
Let me know when you have any idea what you're talking about. Something to nibble on in the meanwhile. :cookie:
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: SuperTool
If you don't think these huge deficits, instability in Iraq and its effect on oil prices, don't have an effect on the economy, then it's back to first grade economics for you!
Why is the economy in such an upswing? None of the things you mentioned have changed.

Right, none of the things he mentioned have changed. Still in Iraq, still growing deficits and still an increased abortion rate over previous presidental term. So whats the problem with the corrilation again?
 
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