Pro Gun people which of the following gun control ideas would you accept.

[DCal430]

Why should the government be in the business of training psychologists? That is not a function of government.

I also find it very interesting you continue to use the word interrogate and its derivatives. Interrogate is something you do to someone who is a suspect of a crime, or perhaps an enemy combatant. Actually I find your use of this word more telling than interesting on further thought as you probably feel any gun owner, potential or current, is a criminal regardless.

You don't see anything fundamentally wrong with the government taking a citizens children and "interrogating" them about their parents? Really? Do you have any concept of civil liberties?

Have you done some basic math to realize just how expensive a program like this would be?

A few billion a year out of trillions of dollars we spend a year.

 

[davmat787]

A few billion a year out of trillions of dollars we spend a year.

Try more than just a few, plus factor in lost productivity and lost school time for the kids whose turn it is to be "interrogated".

Hell, I don't even know why I even bother with this, nevermind, forget it.

 

[DCal430]

These are only ideas, the point is to make gun ownership so obtrusive that it is a defacto ban, and only a few would own them.

 

[SparkyJJO]

These are only ideas, the point is to make gun ownership so obtrusive that it is a defacto ban, and only a few would own them.

Stop wanting to stomp on the rights of American citizens. You're a disgrace.

 

[Agent11]

Which is why many people hate gun control and do not support any of it. People like you are the problem with your unconstitutional laws and gestapo tactics.

 

[monovillage]

1. Universal National Registry of ALL guns. Current owners will have 180 days to register their guns.

2. 7 to 14 day waiting period for the purchase of any gun, even private sale.

3. Universal background checks for all gun purchases and transfers, including between private parties.

4. Ban on all rifles and shot guns which take any detachable magazine or clip. Owners will have 180 days to hand over their guns or make permanent modifications to be in compliance.

5. Limit of 10 round capacity on any gun.

6. Removal of all grandfathering of Automatic weapons, all such weapons must be handed in within 180 days.

7. All bullets will be registered, home reloaded bullets will be illegal. Their will be a limit of 10 to 20 bullet purchases a month. Owners will have 180 days to hand over unused and unregistered bullets.

8. There will be a $2000 year liability fee for each and every gun owned.

9. All guns will be inspected by government officials every year to verify the are in your possession, and have not been illegally modified.

10. Gun owners will require to under go an interview and psychological evaluations with a trained government psychologist as well as interrogator. They will make sure you are mentally fit to own a gun, and are not hiding or plotting anything. This will have to be done before any purchase as well as every other year.

11. Violations of any the above laws will result in confiscation of all guns. As well as 1 to 5 years in jail.

12. The government will offer reward money to anyone who gives information that leads to an arrest for any of these violation. Reward could be $1000 or $5000.

So would you find any of these acceptable. I know some are more severe than others.

None, thanks for asking.

 

[OverVolt]

North Korea has a program like #11!

 

[momeNt]

These are only ideas, the point is to make gun ownership so obtrusive that it is a defacto ban, and only a few would own them.

Exactly.

As long as they are "legal" to own, the sheeple will be okay and if anything maybe turn up Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck a little louder in some sort of rebellion.

Keep them legal, but impossible to own, throw the word ban in, and you basically taint any bill and keep America in the 20th century, hell the 19th century.

It's time America, the government is ready to usher us into the 21st century and bring us peace, it's up to us now.

 

[Agent11]

This nonsense that banning firearms is some sort of evolution of society for the greater good is a dangerous fallacy.

 

[SparkyJJO]

This nonsense that banning firearms is some sort of evolution of society for the greater good is a dangerous fallacy.

Yup, sounds like Nazi Germany all over again. "Progress"

 

[Fenixgoon]

These are only ideas, the point is to make gun ownership so obtrusive that it is a defacto ban, and only a few would own them.

you should have to pay $1,000,000 every time you want to avoid a search by police or freely speak or assemble, too

 

[BoberFett]

I still support the tiger idea. DCal430 is an enemy of the people, and his ability to not be eaten by large cats should be made as obtrusive as possible.

 

[PrinceofWands]

These are only ideas, the point is to make gun ownership so obtrusive that it is a defacto ban, and only a few would own them.

Which is why you need to be executed for treason, and your body left on display as a warning.

 

[Darwin333]

What part of shall not be infringed is so hard for the gun grabbers to understand.

I'm not willing to acecpt anything when it comes to my natural rights.

No compromise.

No, you are not willing to compromise when it comes to THAT specific natural right. You are absurdly willing to compromise other rights though as is the team you back.

 

[Darwin333]

A few billion a year out of trillions of dollars we spend a year.

A few billion? Look up how much is spent as a total for mental health in the US and realize that you want to at the very least quadruple that system. We are talking about massive new databases, massive amounts of manhours from law enforcement, medical staff, government staff, etc... just to implement it. Carrying it out would be an entirely different massive undertaking. Then you have the entire expense of incarcerating all of the new criminals you just made while we are already the world leader, by far, in inmates.

Go look through the budget and find out what a few billion a year buys us. Not very damn much these days thats for sure.

I am sure the government can train additional psychologist, plus they will have proper government interrogation training as well. We also probably wouldn't need to have family members also interrogated/evaluated ever other year too. Maybe ever 3 or 4 years for family members.

Well, we are pretty damn lacking in the field already so there is already a demand. Why isn't the government training them right now? Hell, what does the government know about training psychiatrists in the first place? Please explain in further detail exactly how this would work. I am guess you would have to at least quadruple the practicing psychiatrists JUST for the initial interrogations.

 

[Darwin333]

Out of curiosity, what was the objection?

Embedded code is in general much better written than the software that runs on your computer. It seems like a good idea. Think of it, only law abiding citizens could operate guns, there would be no reason for felons to steal or buy guns because they couldn't operate them. It seems pretty cool. If we can put an exploration vehicle on mars, launch the Voyager space probe in 1977 and have it operate (in space) for the last 36 years, surely we could engineer a fool-proof device.

You are talking about a device that in most cases when you need to use it the device MUST WORK RIGHT THIS MOMENT or you can and likely will literally die. Adding anything into the mix between the user and the mechanics that make it go bang is something most rational people would look at cautiously considering the risks. Furthermore we are talking about extremely high stress and "heat of the moment" situations, what if someone is about to shoot me and I pull my gun but don't have my finger exactly on the scanner correctly? How long does the scan take? Is there a beep or something to let me know that the scan wasn't successful so I can move my finger a millimeter one way or the other or do I just wait until I pull the trigger to find out? I can think of an absurd amount of objections and relatively few positives for something like that.

Especially considering that a gun is a fairly simple mechanical device. I can't imagine it would be that difficult to open it up and remove whatever device is preventing it from going bang rending the entire point useless.

 

[Darwin333]

Which is why you need to be executed for treason, and your body left on display as a warning.

I am pretty sure that he is not a US citizen.

 

[FerrelGeek]

We can also use teachers to enforce these rules, they can ask their students to be honest and if mommy and daddy are in violation of these rules.

Spoken like a true statist. To bad you can't go back in time and live someone like Stalin. You'd be happy there.

Let's apply similar rules from the OP to speech, abortion, and search, shall we?

 

[UNCjigga]

I can accept 1 and 3--2 wouldn't really be enforceable, unless you have a 30 day requirement for buyer and seller to file registration forms when firearms are bought/sold privately and ask local authorities to process the background check post-sale.

But keep in mind that 1, 2 and 3 aren't proposals that will keep guns off the streets or slow the spread of guns. They might aid law enforcement in solving crimes and provide vital statistics for gun issues. These 3 proposals don't have any impact on the Second Amendment rights of citizens either--no guns will be confiscated nor will their be limits placed on gun ownership, assault weapons, magazines, ammo etc.