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Pro-Choice or Pro-Life (to kill or not to kill?, should that be the question, is that the question?

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(banging head on desk) "Why do I even bother to click on the thread???????"
(banging head on desk) "Why do I bother to reply to thread???"

RETROACTIVE ABORTIONS TO ALL WHO START ABORTION THREADS!!!

Next thing you know, ImTyping is going to come back with one of those creationism vs evolution threads.

STOP THE MADNESS!
 
. The only thing I have a problem with is people who get pregnant and use abortion as a means of birth control.

Are there many women who actually do this? And I mean, MANY? What a gig. Having surgery, or whatever the procedure is, every month or so. Christ, those chicks should be sterilized, better yet, sterilized and locked up. While the doctors are taking the fetus out, why not take the uterus as well. They would be doing her a favor and all of us.
 
>>In granting a fetus the right to life you can voilate a woman's right to liberty or persuit of happiness.<<

This is the kind of reasoning
we lifers find so totally off-the-wall.

(In stopping me from robbing a bank,
you are violating my right to buy
a new car, and that car sure wudda made me happy.)

Yes, having a baby can be a little inconvenient...
some of the funsies are going to have to wait
a few years. So what?

By this reasoning absolutely
no law could be written, because every law
infringes on one's freedom.



 
Pro-choice with some restrictions.

One, its OK if you were raped or were involved in incest. Two, its OK if the mother?s health is in danger (as if child birth isn?t harmful enough!) Three, its NOT ok if this is your 7th abortion because you just don't like the feel of a condom or just can?t seem to keep your shorts on!!!

Some of you pro-lifers get a little out of control when you terrorize these poor mothers (most abortion are not from the third scenario above) who show up at abortion clinics. Its ok to persuade another person to your side of the fence, its NOT OK to barrage someone with threats and hate filled rhetoric like ?baby killer!?

You don?t see me showing up outside your church and telling you my opinions on your actions!
 
the baby doesnt have rights until it has a birth certificate and a file with the state.

I'm pro beer, but this is the stupidest thing Ive ever heard.
 
jobert, perhaps your enthusiasm for your cause is clouding your reasoning. The notion of a need to balance rights is well developed in law. The trite example is that while you have free speech you can be prosecuted for yelling fire falsly in a crowded theater. There is no right to the persuit of happiness via someone elses bank account. That was my whole point.

The question MrPALCO is what happens when an irresistible gravity meets an immovable mass.
 
>>jobert, perhaps your enthusiasm for your cause is clouding your reasoning.<<

I'm really not very enthusiastic...
its obviously a lost cause.

I remain interested in drawing
out the reasons people give for
supporting abortion.
(The reasons are almost always
self-serving and reflective of
the general moral decay our country
has experienced over the past 50 years.)
 


<< Humans should be grown in growing chambers, not in a womb.

Problems solved:
> No more abortions
> No more 'unexpected' pregnancies
> No more women who die during pregnancy or birth
> No more women who have to carry their baby/babies around for months
> No more mating needed, which reduces jealousy between males => less violence out of rivality between males
> No more senseless discussions about abortion
> No more expensive and time-consuming marriages
> etc. >>

I find several problems with this statement. First, what are the psychological differences between artificially conceived children and natural children. Does the experience in the womb affect their personalities or thinking process? And who will raise these created babies? Chosen families?

Next, is the fact that the majority of people enjoy several of the &quot;problems&quot; you have listed. People want to have marriages. Some people have sense of family or owning with children. They think, &quot;This is my child, I helped create him/her.&quot; Also, people prefer sex to masturbation, and if they can still have sex, then there will still be rivalries between males over a woman. If it is made that people cannot have sex, then they will become angry at not being able to experience it's pleasure and to be creatures of no gender.

And what about evolution of the species? If we &quot;factory-produce&quot; humans, then there will be no diversity in the gene pool, leaving humanity susceptible to disease, genetic mutation, and shared defects. There is no such thing as the perfect reproduction cells, even the best have their problems.

You treat humans if they were machines and are needed to be treated as such to survive. You cannot force a human to drop what makes it human and expect it to still be human.

As for me, I am pro-life except for special cases.
 
wow, its been awhile since i first posted this thread......battles still going on? well, i'll just take a step back and wait until you guys are done...hehe

danny
 


<< Red Dawn: bluemax, your religious beliefs apply to you and those who believe like you do and only to those of you. It doesn't apply to us who do not believe as you do. Please don't think that by stating your religious views that it is going to be seen by others as a valid argument. I respect your right to believe want you want, please respect our right not to believe as you do. >>


Yep. What better way to show that respect for &quot;my opinion&quot; than to attack because of it at every opportunity, eh?
These aren't just MY views, but one formed by churches worldwide, although there's also plenty of churches that believe in the &quot;immortal soul&quot; that goes to heaven or hell right away. Most of these people know full well what the Bible actually states, but would lose their members if they &quot;spoiled&quot; the nice images they get to play with.

Your view of religion isn't too far off, Red. There's a LOT of churches and faiths out there that make up a load of hogwash and quote the occasional bible verse to &quot;back it up&quot; which is taken horribly out of context. I can see why you're programmed to hate religions by default. I was too. Until I started doing some real study into history AND Bible theology. I've only scratched the surface, but have found more than I can chew already... it's mind-boggling. I didn't jump in with blind faith (which isn't always a bad thing, but sure can be if you don't QUESTION what you're being told) and the bible even tells us to question eveything and if it's not REALLY backed up in the bible in every circumstance, it's a human &quot;error&quot; at work.

A little more on topic... since YOU don't believe in a soul of ANY kind, you feel it is your right to snuff out life wherever you feel appropriate? Ever felt like you might be playing the odds at all? What if your whole life you were so busy making YOURSELF the center of your universe, that you found out that this whole &quot;fairy tale&quot; world was actually true. The price is steep for a gamble of a very short lifetime...

Speaking of odds... I'll have to dig out the book where I got the quote that life &quot;just happening&quot; on Earth in the state of &quot;perfection&quot; it's in now (or was at one point) is 1:10^25x -
that's 10 with 250-some zeroes (don't have the exact quote here).

If you're betting on a horse, would you go with those odds? The chances of it winning are infintissimally(sp?) tiny. The payoff? A life of selfish pleasure where you do whatever you want and then possibly &quot;wink out&quot; or possibly have your soul permanently destroyed by hellfire. (No, you don't get to life forever in hell- it destroys Satan and all his followers once ignited.)
Play the other odds which don't seem nearly as high anymore and you have the potential of a life filled with some kind of meaning (even in face of ridicule by a few loud people) and no fear of death. Beyond that, (the possibility of🙂 to live forever with your master and creator. (Truncated for brevity.)

Millions of people CAN be wrong. It happens all the time... Give me a call sometime if you seriosly ever think to yourself.... just what IF...
As always, it's your call.
 
Pro-Choice.
I live in america!

Consider this, girl gets raped, gets pregnant.
What do you do then? Keep it because it is a life?
Do you have to make the girl suffer through all of that because someone did that to her?
I think you are pretty sick if you think she should have it.

My GF had an abortion last year. My to be child. Frankly, I don't feel bad or feel like I killed something.
In NO way do I need a child when Im so young.

Pro-life? Do I need someone to tell me how to live?
I think not.

 
I am Pro-Women, but also Pro-Life
Babies are not curses, or something to not give a second thought about its life..
If you get pregnant and cann't raise the child, then let it be adopted. There is no reason to &quot;stop&quot; the pregnancy
 
>>In NO way do I need a child when I'm so young.<<

Thanks, Sam, for being so honest with us.

Over and over, when abortionists talk openly,
sooner or later they all come to the same
basic reason: Having a baby would be inconvenient
(difficult, expensive, threatening to current life-style, etc.)
so its better to flush the unborn baby down the toilet
while we have the chance.

(All under the guise of &quot;Freedom Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness&quot😉
 
Elledan

'Love' is no longer an option for me. Don't ask me why, but I just don't 'feel anything' when I see girls (or boys, for the smartasses at this board). I just know that I'm not able to 'fall in love'.
I know that the reason a boy likes girls is because he's 'programmed' to do so. I've reprogrammed myself, you could say.
I've set myself a few targets in this life that I will accomplish before this body 'of me' starts to fail. 'Love' and creating offspring isn't one of those targets.

If you really want to know it: I'm 17, nearly 18 and live in the Netherlands.
I'm, however, much 'smarter' than the average 17-year old. I like to spend my time reading scientific articles (I'm currently reading a book on Event-symmetric space-time, interesting material), programming (picked up PHP in less than four weeks, now learning JS and C++).

I also teached myself proper English, am now doing the same for German.
Another 'interesting' fact is that I don't spend any time with going out with friends or on other things considered to be 'fun' by the average teenager, the only thing I do all day is 'assimilating' knowledge, learning new things, broaden my horizon.

so, your 'target' is to become not much more than a Dell or a Gateway.

well, brother, your life won't be worth much more than 8 or 9 hundred bucks when you achieve it

and if that's the case, why would you even opine on this subject, if you are truly seeking an unemotional, inhuman state of awareness?
 
<<and if that's the case, why would you even opine on this subject, if you are truly seeking an unemotional, inhuman state of awareness? >>

Yes, that's exactly what I'm wondering.

Why I'm seeking an 'unemotional', 'inhuman' state of awareness? Because emotions serve no purpose, except ensuring the survival of the race a creature belongs to. An intelligence can take over the roles of emotions.

Without emotions, the chances of survival for Humans would be much higher, because they would no longer feel hatred of fear, but would be able to plan their actions, instead of reacting on desires and emotions.
 
Because emotions serve no purpose, except ensuring the survival of the race a creature belongs to

lol

you should put that in your signature, so everyone knows who exactly they're talking to
 
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