pro abortion fanatics inspired by satan.

[justoh]

Didn't see this posted yet. What does it say about the so-called "pro-choice" movement? Apparently some of them were quite vocal about their support for satan.

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/pro-abortion-crowd-chants-hail-satan.html

Catholic League President Bill Donohue said it would be unfair to say that all pro-abortion supporters would support giving glory to Satan.

He seems fair in granting that it's probably not the case that all proabortionists are satanists, but he also notes,

There are pro-abortion fanatics who draw their inspiration from Satanic forces,” he said. “Worse, many of those in the pro-abortion community are quite content to stay silent about such offenses. Perhaps the time has come for a mass exorcism

What do you guys think? Whether or not you think satan exists, the teachings attributable to him are pure evil.

 

[Acanthus]

To me it is not a religious argument. It is a utilitarian one.

If you removed that stop-gap to even more unwanted children, you are talking hundreds of thousands of poorly raised criminals and drains on society.

Ever watch Freakonomics? I think it is on netflix still. That is my stance on abortion.

Let's use reality instead of comparing fairy tales with one another for guidance.

 

[HomerJS]

Remember the audience cheering when Gov Perry during debates gloated about how many people Texas executed?...

It would be unfair to say that all capital punishment supporters would support giving glory to Satan.

There are capital punishment fanatics who draw their inspiration from Satanic forces,” he said. “Worse, many of those in the capital punishment community are quite content to stay silent about such offenses. Perhaps the time has come for a mass exorcism

 

[Annisman*]

Satan can influence any un-believer. So without reading your link, it makes sense to me.

Like most things in life abortion is actually an issue of morality. Every day we make the choices to do good and the choices to do bad. The moral compass of this nation is so skewed that good and bad have all been blended into one. For example, Acanthus just stated that to him this was a 'utilitarian' issue, effectively removing himself from the burden of having to wonder if his stance is 'right' or 'wrong'.

I have a 1 1/2 year old niece, if you met her, it would take you two seconds to understand how heinous abortion is. But let's keep putting our heads in the sand about it.

 

[hans030390]

There's a Satan?

 

[hans030390]

Satan can influence any un-believer. So without reading your link, it makes sense to me.

Like most things in life abortion is actually an issue of morality. Every day we make the choices to do good and the choices to do bad. The moral compass of this nation is so skewed that good and bad have all been blended into one. For example, Acanthus just stated that to him this was a 'utilitarian' issue, effectively removing himself from the burden of having to wonder if his stance is 'right' or 'wrong'.

I have a 1 1/2 year old niece, if you met her, it would take you two seconds to understand how heinous abortion is. But let's keep putting our heads in the sand about it.

Morality based on what? Christianity? The nation isn't a Christian nation (and never was...see Treaty of Tripoli), and not everyone in it is Christian. There needs to be another basis for morality other than one close-minded viewpoint.

Have you met anyone? Everyone has redeeming qualities. You could say everyone is an argument against abortion.

Problem is, you can't base everything on what could be. If a pregnancy is terminated, that fetus will never develop into a human, and the whole point of what "they" could have been becomes a moot point.

I, for one, recognize that I wouldn't care if I was aborted as a fetus because I would have been too aborted to care early on. Problem not found.

 

[StrangerGuy]

There's a Satan?

You can't disprove a possibility, so...*snicker*

 

[StrangerGuy]

Morality based on what? Christianity? The nation isn't a Christian nation (and never was...see Treaty of Tripoli), and not everyone in it is Christian. There needs to be another basis for morality other than one close-minded viewpoint.

Have you met anyone? Everyone has redeeming qualities. You could say everyone is an argument against abortion.

Problem is, you can't base everything on what could be. If a pregnancy is terminated, that fetus will never develop into a human, and the whole point of what "they" could have been becomes a moot point.

I, for one, recognize that I wouldn't care if I was aborted as a fetus because I would have been too aborted to care early on. Problem not found.

I care a ton more whether a baby has a good shot in living a decent, fulfilling life than whether the baby can just live to crawl out of a vagina. Guess that makes me the antichrist.

 

[Cerb]

There's a Satan?

That depends. To people like Mr. Donahue, that want a black and white world, in which cherry-picked Bible quotes should be the universal rule, yes. Also, to Church Lady, lest we forget,

To others, it's a nifty concept. Yes, nifty. I like that word.

To yet others, including more than a few Muslims, Jews, some Christian sects, and even Satanists (a subset of atheists, with an offensive sense of humor, for any unaware), there are many.

All of that is probably too complicated for the minds of the fully indoctrinated, though. So, they just come off as silly, despite how they can be dangerous, too, given ties to legislators.

 

[justoh]

That depends. To people like Mr. Donahue, that want a black and white world, in which cherry-picked Bible quotes should be the universal rule, yes. Also, to Church Lady, lest we forget,

To others, it's a nifty concept. Yes, nifty. I like that word.

To yet others, including more than a few Muslims, Jews, some Christian sects, and even Satanists (a subset of atheists, with an offensive sense of humor, for any unaware), there are many.

All of that is probably too complicated for the minds of the fully indoctrinated, though. So, they just come off as silly, despite how they can be dangerous, too, given ties to legislators.

Satanists are a subset of atheists? Interesting. It always felt this way to me too.

 

[nehalem256]

I care a ton more whether a baby has a good shot in living a decent, fulfilling life than whether the baby can just live to crawl out of a vagina. Guess that makes me the antichrist.

Except the interesting thing is that pro-choicers don't care anymore about whether the baby has a good shot in living a decent life than pro-lifers.

All they care about is that women (or teenage girls) can do whatever they want with no one questioning their choices.

 

[Scotteq]

Pfffft... if they were real Satanists, they'd skip the clinic and sacrifice the kid to their dark lord.

Also, as Point In Fact: belief in Satan requires belief in either the Christian or Muslim god. It's part of the basis of both religions that one cannot exist without the other. Therefore, Satanists are Catholics who intentionally behave contrary to the Bible's teachings. Two sides of the same coin, as it were.

 

[nehalem256]

Pfffft... if they were real Satanists, they'd skip the clinic and sacrifice the kid to their dark lord.

Also, as Point In Fact: belief in Satan requires belief in either the Christian or Muslim god. It's part of the basis of both religions that one cannot exist without the other. Therefore, Satanists are Catholics who intentionally behave contrary to the Bible's teachings. Two sides of the same coin, as it were.

There is no mention of "real satanists" in the article. Just people who are inspired by him.

 

[justoh]

There is no mention of "real satanists" in the article. Just people who are inspired by him.

These were real satanists. They are quoted as saying, "hail satan." How much more proof does one need?

 

[Scotteq]

There is no mention of "real satanists" in the article. Just people who are inspired by him.

Not to be personally offensive, but that sounds like the same 100%, unadulterated horseshit which religious people pushing {Righteous Cause #732} level at anyone with a differing opinion. Asinine enough to be comical, if it weren't for the uncomfortable fact that so many actually believe they're "Doing God's Work" by subjugating anyone who thinks differently.

 

[Juddog]

Satanists are a sub sect of Christianity, not Atheism. You can't believe in a diety and be an atheist, and Satan would fall into that category.

 

[Acanthus]

Satan can influence any un-believer. So without reading your link, it makes sense to me.

Like most things in life abortion is actually an issue of morality. Every day we make the choices to do good and the choices to do bad. The moral compass of this nation is so skewed that good and bad have all been blended into one. For example, Acanthus just stated that to him this was a 'utilitarian' issue, effectively removing himself from the burden of having to wonder if his stance is 'right' or 'wrong'.

I have a 1 1/2 year old niece, if you met her, it would take you two seconds to understand how heinous abortion is. But let's keep putting our heads in the sand about it.

I know lots of kids. That doesn't mean parents should be having unwanted children because your belief system dictates it.

 

[Scotteq]

These were real satanists. They are quoted as saying, "hail satan." How much more proof does one need?

More reliable than religious nuts quoted by Fox??

Well, we could start with the word of some Heroin addicts, I suppose.

 

[Cerb]

Satanists are a sub sect of Christianity, not Atheism. You can't believe in a diety and be an atheist, and Satan would fall into that category.

You are making two major assumptions, though, which need not be true:

1. That there is a single Satan to be believed in or not. Even in Judaism and religions derived from it, there is not such a statement, and it is commonly believed that there is not merely one, but rather, a class of entities (more aptly, the McGuffins of mythology). The narrative of Lucifer also being every mention of Satan is an interpretation, and not a universally held one (TMK, it is the current official Catholic doctrine, however--if not that exactly, that he is a root of evil, and others are under him).

2. That to mock and offend people believing in a deity, one must also believe in said deity. I am quite firm in my belief that the Earth is round, so I would gladly mock any silly enough to think it flat. If I could do so in a way that went over their heads, all the better.

 

[nehalem256]

Not to be personally offensive, but that sounds like the same 100%, unadulterated horseshit which religious people pushing {Righteous Cause #732} level at anyone with a differing opinion. Asinine enough to be comical, if it weren't for the uncomfortable fact that so many actually believe they're "Doing God's Work" by subjugating anyone who thinks differently.

Sounds like a lot like liberals and there attempting to sue out of business old ladies who won't support SSM. I guess liberalism is a religion now too

 

[Scotteq]

You are making two major assumptions, though, which need not be true:
1. That there is a single Satan to be believed in or not. Even in Judaism and religions derived from it, there is not such a statement, and it is commonly believed that there is not merely one, but rather, a class of entities (more aptly, the McGuffins of mythology).

2. That to mock and offend people believing in a deity, one must also believe in said deity.

...hence the conversation about whether they're actually Satanists.

After all, if one wished to piss off a bunch of Christians that would be a pretty good way to do it . Belief Not Required

 

[Scotteq]

Sounds like a lot like liberals and there attempting to sue out of business old ladies who won't support SSM. I guess liberalism is a religion now too

Clearly: Dogmas are as Dogmas do...

 

[Cerb]

...hence the conversation about whether they're actually Satanists.

After all, if one wished to piss off a bunch of Christians that would be a pretty good way to do it . Belief Not Required

Ah, but no belief would be required be actually be a Satanist. Theistic Satanism is very rare, as far as I know (probably non-existent, save for a few mentally ill). Any member of the Church of Satan or First Satanic Church, FI, will be an atheist, and any such person would be quite well defined as a, "real Satanist."

 

[ChunkiMunki]

One girl, who looks like a teenager, says "hail satan", to maybe tick off fundies, and the link headline reads "Pro-Abortion Crowd Chants ‘Hail Satan’". Anything on fox news I typically ignore. What an ass post.

 

[Juddog]

You are making two major assumptions, though, which need not be true:

1. That there is a single Satan to be believed in or not. Even in Judaism and religions derived from it, there is not such a statement, and it is commonly believed that there is not merely one, but rather, a class of entities (more aptly, the McGuffins of mythology). The narrative of Lucifer also being every mention of Satan is an interpretation, and not a universally held one (TMK, it is the current official Catholic doctrine, however--if not that exactly, that he is a root of evil, and others are under him).

In order to believe in Satan, one would have to believe in the entire mythology which produced said Satan. Satan is still a deity, therefore believing in Satan would make one a deist, not an atheist.

2. That to mock and offend people believing in a deity, one must also believe in said deity. I am quite firm in my belief that the Earth is round, so I would gladly mock any silly enough to think it flat. If I could do so in a way that went over their heads, all the better.

I make no such assumption. Mocking people believing in one god, because you believe in another god, is par for the course with most religions. Look how many people in this forum mock Islam while proudly proclaiming themselves Christian. Mocking people believing in a deity, while not believing in another deity, is entirely possible for an atheist, since they have a lack of belief, therefore fall outside of a system in which the universe is "owned", so to speak, by beings that are diametrically opposed.

For example, were I to exist in ancient Greece, proclaiming myself a servent of Hades, and opposing the followers of Zeus, I would automatically be discludeed from being an atheist. I am believing in the polar opposite deity, as opposed to stating that the entire pantheon doesn't exist.