Private Guards Repel Attack on U.S. Headquarters

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An attack by hundreds of Iraqi militia members on the U.S. government's headquarters in Najaf on Sunday was repulsed not by the U.S. military, but by eight commandos from a private security firm, according to sources familiar with the incident.

Before U.S. reinforcements could arrive, the firm, Blackwater Security Consulting, sent in its own helicopters amid an intense firefight to resupply its commandos with ammunition and to ferry out a wounded Marine, the sources said.

The role of Blackwater's commandos in Sunday's fighting in Najaf illuminates the gray zone between their formal role as bodyguards and the realities of operating in an active war zone. Thousands of armed private security contractors are operating in Iraq (news - web sites) in a wide variety of missions and exchanging fire with Iraqis every day, according to informal after-action reports from several companies.

In Sunday's fighting, Shiite militia forces barraged the Blackwater commandos, four MPs and a Marine gunner with rocket-propelled grenades and AK-47 fire for hours before U.S. Special Forces troops arrived. A sniper on a nearby roof apparently wounded three men. U.S. troops faced heavy fighting in several Iraqi cities that day.

The Blackwater commandos, most of whom are former Special Forces troops, are on contract to provide security for the U.S.-led Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) in Najaf.

With their ammunition nearly gone, a wounded and badly bleeding Marine on the rooftop, and no reinforcement by the U.S. military in the immediate offing, the company sent in helicopters to drop ammunition and pick up the Marine.

The identity of the Marine and two other wounded men could not be established, but their blood was still fresh hours later, when the top U.S. commander in Iraq, Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, and spokesman Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt arrived to survey the battle zone.

Without commenting at a news conference yesterday on the role of the Blackwater guards, Kimmitt described what he saw after the fighting ended. "I know on a rooftop yesterday in An Najaf, with a small group of American soldiers and coalition soldiers . . . who had just been through about 3 1/2 hours of combat, I looked in their eyes, there was no crisis.

"They knew what they were here for," he continued. "They'd lost three wounded. We were sitting there among the bullet shells -- the bullet casings -- and, frankly, the blood of their comrades, and they were absolutely confident."

During the defense of the authority headquarters, thousands of rounds were fired and hundreds of 40mm grenades shot. Sources who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of Blackwater's work in Iraq reported an unspecified number of casualties among Iraqis.

A spokesman for Blackwater confirmed that the company has a contract to provide security to the CPA but would not describe the incident that unfolded Sunday.

A Defense Department spokesman said that there were no military reports about the opening hours of the siege on CPA headquarters in Najaf because there were no military personnel on the scene. The Defense Department often does not have a clear handle on the daily actions of security contractors because the contractors work directly for the coalition authority, which coordinates and communicates on a limited basis through the normal military chain of command.

The four men brutally slain Wednesday in Fallujah were also Blackwater employees and were operating in the Sunni triangle area under more hazardous conditions -- unarmored cars with no apparent backup -- than the U.S. military or the CIA (news - web sites) permit.

One senior Blackwater manager has described those killings to U.S. government officials as the result of a "high-quality" attack as skilled as one that can be mounted by U.S. Special Forces, according to a copy of a report on the incident obtained by The Washington Post.

The four victims of that attack, according to Blackwater spokesman Chris Bertelli, were escorting trucks carrying either food or kitchen equipment for Regency Hotel and Hospitality. Regency is a subcontractor to Eurest Support Services (ESS), a division of the Compass Group, the world's largest food service company.

ESS provides food services to more than a dozen U.S. military dining facilities in Iraq, according to news accounts.

Blackwater, a security and training company based in Moyock, N.C., prides itself on the high caliber of its personnel, many of whom are former U.S. Navy (news - web sites) SEALs. It has 450 employees in Iraq, many of them providing security to CPA employees, including the U.S. administrator, L. Paul Bremer, and to VIPs visiting Iraq.

Blackwater has applied to occupy a former MIG air base near Baghdad as a counterterrorism training facility for Iraqi forces. The training range will mirror the 6,000-acre Moyock site, which is frequented by U.S. law enforcement and military personnel.

Cliff Notes:
Private Security guards and a handful of Marines repelled an attack.
Get no help from US Army
Private Firm sends own helicopter to resupply them
3 wounded.


Are these people considered Security guards or mercenaries? I would think Security guards because they aren't hired to go kill people, they're hired to protect sites and convoys.
 

zillafurby

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Originally posted by: maddogchen
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An attack by hundreds of Iraqi militia members on the U.S. government's headquarters in Najaf on Sunday was repulsed not by the U.S. military, but by eight commandos from a private security firm, according to sources familiar with the incident.

Before U.S. reinforcements could arrive, the firm, Blackwater Security Consulting, sent in its own helicopters amid an intense firefight to resupply its commandos with ammunition and to ferry out a wounded Marine, the sources said.

The role of Blackwater's commandos in Sunday's fighting in Najaf illuminates the gray zone between their formal role as bodyguards and the realities of operating in an active war zone. Thousands of armed private security contractors are operating in Iraq (news - web sites) in a wide variety of missions and exchanging fire with Iraqis every day, according to informal after-action reports from several companies.

In Sunday's fighting, Shiite militia forces barraged the Blackwater commandos, four MPs and a Marine gunner with rocket-propelled grenades and AK-47 fire for hours before U.S. Special Forces troops arrived. A sniper on a nearby roof apparently wounded three men. U.S. troops faced heavy fighting in several Iraqi cities that day.

The Blackwater commandos, most of whom are former Special Forces troops, are on contract to provide security for the U.S.-led Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) in Najaf.

With their ammunition nearly gone, a wounded and badly bleeding Marine on the rooftop, and no reinforcement by the U.S. military in the immediate offing, the company sent in helicopters to drop ammunition and pick up the Marine.

The identity of the Marine and two other wounded men could not be established, but their blood was still fresh hours later, when the top U.S. commander in Iraq, Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, and spokesman Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt arrived to survey the battle zone.

Without commenting at a news conference yesterday on the role of the Blackwater guards, Kimmitt described what he saw after the fighting ended. "I know on a rooftop yesterday in An Najaf, with a small group of American soldiers and coalition soldiers . . . who had just been through about 3 1/2 hours of combat, I looked in their eyes, there was no crisis.

"They knew what they were here for," he continued. "They'd lost three wounded. We were sitting there among the bullet shells -- the bullet casings -- and, frankly, the blood of their comrades, and they were absolutely confident."

During the defense of the authority headquarters, thousands of rounds were fired and hundreds of 40mm grenades shot. Sources who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of Blackwater's work in Iraq reported an unspecified number of casualties among Iraqis.

A spokesman for Blackwater confirmed that the company has a contract to provide security to the CPA but would not describe the incident that unfolded Sunday.

A Defense Department spokesman said that there were no military reports about the opening hours of the siege on CPA headquarters in Najaf because there were no military personnel on the scene. The Defense Department often does not have a clear handle on the daily actions of security contractors because the contractors work directly for the coalition authority, which coordinates and communicates on a limited basis through the normal military chain of command.

The four men brutally slain Wednesday in Fallujah were also Blackwater employees and were operating in the Sunni triangle area under more hazardous conditions -- unarmored cars with no apparent backup -- than the U.S. military or the CIA (news - web sites) permit.

One senior Blackwater manager has described those killings to U.S. government officials as the result of a "high-quality" attack as skilled as one that can be mounted by U.S. Special Forces, according to a copy of a report on the incident obtained by The Washington Post.

The four victims of that attack, according to Blackwater spokesman Chris Bertelli, were escorting trucks carrying either food or kitchen equipment for Regency Hotel and Hospitality. Regency is a subcontractor to Eurest Support Services (ESS), a division of the Compass Group, the world's largest food service company.

ESS provides food services to more than a dozen U.S. military dining facilities in Iraq, according to news accounts.

Blackwater, a security and training company based in Moyock, N.C., prides itself on the high caliber of its personnel, many of whom are former U.S. Navy (news - web sites) SEALs. It has 450 employees in Iraq, many of them providing security to CPA employees, including the U.S. administrator, L. Paul Bremer, and to VIPs visiting Iraq.

Blackwater has applied to occupy a former MIG air base near Baghdad as a counterterrorism training facility for Iraqi forces. The training range will mirror the 6,000-acre Moyock site, which is frequented by U.S. law enforcement and military personnel.

Cliff Notes:
Private Security guards and a handful of Marines repelled an attack.
Get no help from US Army
Private Firm sends own helicopter to resupply them
3 wounded.


Are these people considered Security guards or mercenaries? I would think Security guards because they aren't hired to go kill people, they're hired to protect sites and convoys.

agreed. i cant imagine the attack was that intense, i mean how many rpg's could they have withstood without losses, not that many. it was probably an ongoing skirmish. not thati am making light of their skills either.
 

ElFenix

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sounds like a euphemism for mercenary to me.
 

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This has the making of a great movie.

Blackwater Down.

8 Commandos, hundreds of angry militia. Helicopter comes in with blazing fire from below. Resupplies commandos. US flag flies proudly. The End.

 

preslove

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They are mercenaries. The don't get help from the military, nor are they constrained by the U.S. military. They could rape an Iraqi woman and probably just be fired. There was an incident a couple years ago in Kosovo where Dynacorp helicopter repairmen, ex army, were buying underage russian sex slaves. Those caught were just fired. Had they been in the service they would still be in jail.
 

maddogchen

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Originally posted by: zillafurby


agreed. i cant imagine the attack was that intense, i mean how many rpg's could they have withstood without losses, not that many. it was probably an ongoing skirmish. not thati am making light of their skills either.

Yeah, probably just pop up and shoot randomly and run away, reload, come back and do it again type thing.
What I don't like is that they had to be resupplied and wounded evacuated by their own company instead of the US military. Are we too stretched out in Iraq?
 

maddogchen

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Originally posted by: preslove
They are mercenaries. The don't get help from the military, nor are they constrained by the U.S. military. They could rape an Iraqi woman and probably just be fired. There was an incident a couple years ago in Kosovo where Dynacorp helicopter repairmen, ex army, were buying underage russian sex slaves. Those caught were just fired. Had they been in the service they would still be in jail.

I've never heard that, but thats definitely not good. He should have been turned over to the police there.
But I don't see how that means that they are mercenaries. How would the helicopter repairman be a mercenary? Wouldn't he just be a repairman?
 

preslove

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Originally posted by: maddogchen
Originally posted by: preslove
They are mercenaries. The don't get help from the military, nor are they constrained by the U.S. military. They could rape an Iraqi woman and probably just be fired. There was an incident a couple years ago in Kosovo where Dynacorp helicopter repairmen, ex army, were buying underage russian sex slaves. Those caught were just fired. Had they been in the service they would still be in jail.

I've never heard that, but thats definitely not good. He should have been turned over to the police there.
But I don't see how that means that they are mercenaries. How would the helicopter repairman be a mercenary? Wouldn't he just be a repairman?

They were all ex-military who were given much money and benefits by Dynacorps to do the same work on US choppers stationed in Kosovo. So, basically they were private, military contractors i.e. mercs.
 

digitalsm

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Originally posted by: maddogchen
Originally posted by: preslove
They are mercenaries. The don't get help from the military, nor are they constrained by the U.S. military. They could rape an Iraqi woman and probably just be fired. There was an incident a couple years ago in Kosovo where Dynacorp helicopter repairmen, ex army, were buying underage russian sex slaves. Those caught were just fired. Had they been in the service they would still be in jail.

I've never heard that, but thats definitely not good. He should have been turned over to the police there.
But I don't see how that means that they are mercenaries. How would the helicopter repairman be a mercenary? Wouldn't he just be a repairman?

Im almost certain, buying underage sex slaves is the least of war torn Kosovo's worries.
 

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Cliff Notes:
Private Security guards and a handful of Marines repelled an attack.
Get no help from US Army
Private Firm sends own helicopter to resupply them
3 wounded.


Are these people considered Security guards or mercenaries? I would think Security guards because they aren't hired to go kill people, they're hired to protect sites and convoys.

They may be hired as security, but they know what the job is, thats why they are there. Most of these guys are former Deltas. They are highly trained to kill, and once their service is up, they can make boatloads of money doing this, "protecting" companies in Africa, Middle East, and other war torn areas.

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agreed. i cant imagine the attack was that intense, i mean how many rpg's could they have withstood without losses, not that many. it was probably an ongoing skirmish. not thati am making light of their skills either.

Its been said highly trained special ops have been able to fight people off at 10:1. It doesnt list the number of armed Shiite milita. Im guessing it was less than 100. Which is doable for these guys.
 

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I suspect all 8 shoot like snipers. The psychological effect of one shot one killed is huge.
 

Jadow

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That is f'in aweseome. This will definitely be the basis for an awesome movie.
 

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Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: maddogchen
Originally posted by: preslove
They are mercenaries. The don't get help from the military, nor are they constrained by the U.S. military. They could rape an Iraqi woman and probably just be fired. There was an incident a couple years ago in Kosovo where Dynacorp helicopter repairmen, ex army, were buying underage russian sex slaves. Those caught were just fired. Had they been in the service they would still be in jail.

I've never heard that, but thats definitely not good. He should have been turned over to the police there.
But I don't see how that means that they are mercenaries. How would the helicopter repairman be a mercenary? Wouldn't he just be a repairman?

Im almost certain, buying underage sex slaves is the least of war torn Kosovo's worries.

Yeah, and Iraq has plenty of problems too, so it doesn't matter if our citizens rape and pillage there.

Zephyr
 

EXman

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There are over 10,000 private security personel in Iraq right now that is 13% of our military:Q Not to mention they probably have more experience than all our miliarty combined.
 

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The idea that that BW was singled out is troubling. The training these people recieve can be easily equal to what is expected from the most elite active troops, only more polished because alot of these people couldn't transition to a quiet home life and sought this line of work. The Iraqis might find they were pretty brave to confront the BW's. They don't just guard a fixed perimeter, they play by their own set of rules. Those Iraqis that exposed their identities in the attack shouldn't feel comfortable anytime soon in their sleep the way those BW people like to settle things square.
 

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Originally posted by: Zephyr106
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: maddogchen
Originally posted by: preslove
They are mercenaries. The don't get help from the military, nor are they constrained by the U.S. military. They could rape an Iraqi woman and probably just be fired. There was an incident a couple years ago in Kosovo where Dynacorp helicopter repairmen, ex army, were buying underage russian sex slaves. Those caught were just fired. Had they been in the service they would still be in jail.

I've never heard that, but thats definitely not good. He should have been turned over to the police there.
But I don't see how that means that they are mercenaries. How would the helicopter repairman be a mercenary? Wouldn't he just be a repairman?

Im almost certain, buying underage sex slaves is the least of war torn Kosovo's worries.

Yeah, and Iraq has plenty of problems too, so it doesn't matter if our citizens rape and pillage there.

Zephyr

Please show me where our citizens have been raping or pillaging in Iraq! As far as anyone knows no such thing has happened. I suggest you refrain from making statements as if it were. This is nothing more than a case of private security personnel who just happened to be highly trained former S.E.A.L. team members doing their job and Kicking ass and taking names in the process. Kudos to them I say.