Private companies still can’t do what the Gov does any cheaper or better.

[Vette73]

Private Prisons Found to Offer Little in Savings
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/19/us/19prisons.html?_r=2


"The conviction that private prisons save money helped drive more than 30 states to turn to them for housing inmates. But Arizona shows that popular wisdom might be wrong: Data there suggest that privately operated prisons can cost more to operate than state-run prisons — even though they often steer clear of the sickest, costliest inmates."

So they cherry pick the easy cheaper inmates and still cost the same or more than the state that has to handle the sick and more costly ones.

Same BS as when you hear people say hires contractors to replace gov workers. Same problem, it ends up costing more and efficiency goes down.

 

[Macamus Prime]

So they cherry pick the easy cheaper inmates and still cost the same or more than the state that has to handle the sick and more costly ones.

Kind of like how corporate America runs health care.

Corporations are out to make money - at ANY cost. Even if it means harming the person that is paying them for a service they pitch as being good and of quality.

Governments are here to serve. Yes, they do a shitty job at times. But, what is the alternative? A scumbag business man who will do whatever he can to capture savings and fuck the paying customer over?

Capitalism grows out of Democracy. But then Capitalism ass fucks Democracy, steals it's wallet and then tries to harvest it's organs to make a few more quick bucks.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

No surpise. Private companies have the same requirements as state run facilities plus they must generate a profit for the owners. Simply economics will tell you that the private model will cost more for the same level of service. And as Macamus points out the same is true for Healthcare

 

[CPA]

Nice thread title there. They are speaking of one small, niche industry.

And I worked in a private prison here in Texas about 15 years ago. We didn't cherry-pick anyone. In fact, we were beholden to the state in which inmates we took. We were technically a short-stay (90 days or less), medium security facility, but at times the state would send us rapists, murderers and others who had well more than 90 days left on their sentence.

 

[CPA]

Kind of like how corporate America runs health care.

Corporations are out to make money - at ANY cost. Even if it means harming the person that is paying them for a service they pitch as being good and of quality.

Governments are here to serve. Yes, they do a shitty job at times. But, what is the alternative? A scumbag business man who will do whatever he can to capture savings and fuck the paying customer over?

Capitalism grows out of Democracy. But then Capitalism ass fucks Democracy, steals it's wallet and then tries to harvest it's organs to make a few more quick bucks.

We should go the way of Spain or Greece....oh, wait.....

 

[Vette73]

Nice thread title there. They are speaking of one small, niche industry.

And I worked in a private prison here in Texas about 15 years ago. We didn't cherry-pick anyone. In fact, we were beholden to the state in which inmates we took. We were technically a short-stay (90 days or less), medium security facility, but at times the state would send us rapists, murderers and others who had well more than 90 days left on their sentence.

Guess they have got smarter since then...

"Five of eight private prisons serving Arizona did not accept inmates with “limited physical capacity and stamina” or severe physical illness or chronic conditions, according to the state’s analysis, issued last month. None took inmates with “high need” mental health conditions. Some inmates who became sick were “returned to state prisons due to an increase of their medical scores that exceeds contractual exclusions.” "


Sorry this guy cost to much, you take him back.

 

[Anarchist420]

You can tell the article is BS from the title which says "Private Prisons found to offer little in savings", then the article tries to say they cost more.

Anyway, it depends upon the contractor.

 

[fskimospy]

You can tell the article is BS from the title which says "Private Prisons found to offer little in savings", then the article tries to say they cost more.

Anyway, it depends upon the contractor.

Stop talking, you don't know anything.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Private companies still can’t do what the Gov does any cheaper or better.

Does this mean NASA's Project Constellation, Ares Program and LEO ventures are back on?

 

[actuarial]

We should go the way of Spain or Greece....oh, wait.....

No one's saying that everything should be government run, but there is an argument to be made that things that are for the benefit of the government should be run by the government.

Prisons are an excellent example. I would prefer the government to own and then rent out telecommunications infrastructure as well.

 

[her209]

How would a private prison marketplace work? The prisoner is offered up in a reverse auction where the lowest bidder among the private prisons wins?

 

[actuarial]

How would a private prison marketplace work? The prisoner is offered up in a reverse auction where the lowest bidder among the private prisons wins?

Like any other government contract - we are looking for someone to provide X services, which follow Y guidelines, for Z period. What's your offer?

It wouldn't be on a by prisoner basis.

 

[Hacp]

Private Prisons Found to Offer Little in Savings
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/19/us/19prisons.html?_r=2


"The conviction that private prisons save money helped drive more than 30 states to turn to them for housing inmates. But Arizona shows that popular wisdom might be wrong: Data there suggest that privately operated prisons can cost more to operate than state-run prisons — even though they often steer clear of the sickest, costliest inmates."

So they cherry pick the easy cheaper inmates and still cost the same or more than the state that has to handle the sick and more costly ones.

Same BS as when you hear people say hires contractors to replace gov workers. Same problem, it ends up costing more and efficiency goes down.

Key word is operate. How much is the private company paying in pension costs? Government is paying a large part of its costs not in operating but in pensions for people whoaret working

 

[her209]

Like any other government contract - we are looking for someone to provide X services, which follow Y guidelines, for Z period. What's your offer?

It wouldn't be on a by prisoner basis.

Once the private company wins the contract, the government is beholden to them since they can't send the prisoners anywhere else? What happens if the private company under estimated their costs during the bidding process? I've seen this story before. No thanks.

 

[QuantumPion]

Once the private company wins the contract, the government is beholden to them since they can't send the prisoners anywhere else? What happens if the private company under estimated their costs during the bidding process? I've seen this story before. No thanks.

Welcome to the world of contracting. Overruns happen ALL THE TIME in every sector of business, private and government.

 

[Vette73]

Key word is operate. How much is the private company paying in pension costs? Government is paying a large part of its costs not in operating but in pensions for people whoaret working

RTFA

"According to Arizona officials, the data account for costs as varied as guards’ pensions and inmate food."


Even adding in pensions the State still matchs or comes out better.

 

[Hacp]

RTFA

"According to Arizona officials, the data account for costs as varied as guards’ pensions and inmate food."


Even adding in pensions the State still matchs or comes out better.

Most of these analysis count CURRENT pension and health requirements. Wait a few years and the costs will skyrocket because they don't take into account the fact that the baby boomers are retiring and going to be collecting their benefits.

 

[Vette73]

Most of these analysis count CURRENT pension and health requirements. Wait a few years and the costs will skyrocket because they don't take into account the fact that the baby boomers are retiring and going to be collecting their benefits.

WTF are you talking about? This is about the prisons, not the entire state or past but current 1 to 1 example INCLUDING future pension cost.

1 to 1 the State either ties or comes out ahead.

 

[Tom]

We should go the way of Spain or Greece....oh, wait.....

their problem and eventually ours is demanding services from government without paying for them.

That is not because government does a bad job, or that private enterprise is better at running stuff; it's because people think government should provide all kinds of services and help, but it shouldn't cost them anything.

 

[Hacp]

WTF are you talking about? This is about the prisons, not the entire state or past but current 1 to 1 example INCLUDING future pension cost.

1 to 1 the State either ties or comes out ahead.

THey don't count future costs. Only current costs. That's how they game the system.

 

[theeedude]

This is a no brainer. Private sector expects to make a profit margin on top of their costs.
This privatization nonsense is simply a handout of public money to private interests.

 

[Vette73]

THey don't count future costs. Only current costs. That's how they game the system.

YES THEY DID!!!

"According to Arizona officials, the data account for costs as varied as guards’ pensions and inmate food."

They took the average age and term and even then the state won.

 

[fskimospy]

THey don't count future costs. Only current costs. That's how they game the system.

Reading the article first would probably help.

 

[ichy]

If we executed more inmates rather than incarcerating them we could save a lot of money.

 

[actuarial]

Most of these analysis count CURRENT pension and health requirements. Wait a few years and the costs will skyrocket because they don't take into account the fact that the baby boomers are retiring and going to be collecting their benefits.

Well that depends on whether you have to pre-fund pension requirements, which is 100% true in Canada (even for public plans), and I believe is true in the US as well.

If you do, then you are counting future costs.