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Prisoner Abuse: How Different are U.S. Prisons?

Czar

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interesting read

http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2004/05/14/usdom8583.htm
The sadistic abuse and sexual humiliation by American soldiers at Abu Ghraib prison has shocked most Americans?but not those of us familiar with U.S. jails and prisons. In American prisons today, wanton staff brutality and degrading treatment of inmates occurs across the country with distressing frequency.

We know that two of the soldiers charged with abuse at Abu Ghraib were prison guards in the United States. Lane McCotter, who oversaw the reopening of Abu Ghraib prison last year, has a long?and somewhat troubled?history in corrections. For example, he resigned from his position as director of the Utah Department of Corrections in 1998 after a schizophrenic inmate died following sixteen hours of being immobilized in a restraining chair. The Pentagon has said it wants to send more people to Iraq who have U.S. prison experience. But before it does, it should look closely at the human rights records of their prisons.

A federal judge in 1999 concluded that Texas prisons were pervaded by a ?culture of sadistic and malicious violence.? In 1995, a federal judge found a stunning pattern of staff assaults, abusive use of electronic stun devices guns, beatings, and brutality at Pelican Bay Prison in California, and concluded the violence ?appears to be open, acknowledged, tolerated and sometimes expressly approved? by high ranking corrections officials.

In recent years, U.S. prison inmates have been beaten with fists and batons, stomped on, kicked, shot, stunned with electronic devices, doused with chemical sprays, choked, and slammed face first onto concrete floors by the officers whose job it is to guard them. Inmates have ended up with broken jaws, smashed ribs, perforated eardrums, missing teeth, burn scars?not to mention psychological scars and emotional pain. Some have died.

Both men and women prisoners?but especially women?face staff rape and sexual abuse. Correctional officers will bribe, coerce, or violently force inmates into granting sexual favors, including oral sex or intercourse. Prison staff have laughed at and ignored the pleas of male prisoners seeking protection from rape by other inmates.

Most of the men and women who work in U.S. prisons are decent professionals who have never physically abused or intentionally degraded an inmate. But just as in Iraq, the absence of leadership, oversight, and external scrutiny can create a climate in which abuses will occur.

The Department of Justice?s Inspector General recently reported on the abuse Muslim men picked up after September 11 endured while detained at the federal Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn. For example, officers slammed unresisting, shackled inmates into walls and mocked them during body-cavity searches. A lawsuit by one of the detainees alleges that one of the officers maliciously pushed a pencil into his anus.

Just this January, a videotape at a California facility captured two officers beating and kicking two inmates. One officer struck an inmate approximately twenty times in the face; another officer is shown kicking a handcuffed inmate in the head.

When Florida inmate Frank Valdez died in 1999, every rib in his body was broken, his corpse bore the imprint of boot marks, and his testicles were badly swollen; guards admitted having struggled with him, but denied they had used excessive force. They claimed most of his injuries had been ?self-inflicted.?

In Maricopa County, Arizona, a sheriff who dresses male jail inmates in pink underwear introduced live ?jail cam? broadcasts on the internet in 2000. Three cameras covered the holding and searching cells of the jail, including shots of strip searches, inmates bound in ?restraint chairs,? and even, for a while, unobstructed views of women using the toilet. The broadcasts ended up being copied onto web porn sites.

Even detained children and youth are not immune from staff brutality and abuse. They too are kicked, beaten, punched, choked, and sexually preyed upon by adult staff. The Maryland State Police recently filed criminal assault charges against staff at a youth facility in Maryland because of an incident in which one guard restrained a youth while the three others kicked him and punched him in the face. In January 2004, the U.S. Department of Justice reported on terrible conditions at Arizona?s juvenile detentions centers, including sexual abuse of the children by staff members (and fellow inmates) that occurs ?with disturbing frequency? and a level of physical abuse that is ?equally disturbing.?

When the news about Abu Ghraib broke, the Bush administration tried to suggest it was the work of a few rogue officers. But in over two decades of monitoring prisons in the United States and around the world, Human Rights Watch has learned that abusive officers do not operate in a vacuum. More typically, a culture of brutality has developed in which correctional officers know they can get away with excessive, unnecessary, or even purely malicious violence. In such prisons, senior officials have failed to communicate unequivocally?through training, staff supervision, investigations, and discipline?that abuse will not be tolerated.

The failures of senior prison officials in the United States are compounded, as in Abu Ghraib, by the absence of external scrutiny. Prisons are closed institutions from which the press, human rights groups, and members of the public are typically excluded. Independent expert inspections yielding public findings are rare, and usually occur only after the situation has become so bad that inmates have filed a lawsuit.

Perhaps if photos or videotapes of abuse in U.S. prisons were to circulate publicly, Americans would be galvanized to protest such treatment as they have the treatment of Iraqi prisoners. Absent such graphic and unavoidable evidence, it is all too likely that abuse will continue to be a part of many prison sentences.
 

Czar

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Originally posted by: TheSnowman
again, i'd like to point out; we are no where near as bad as Saddam.

and again I'd like to point out that is not the issue
 

kylebisme

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oh come on, it is exactly the issue. when we have clearly done wrong and there is not much room to argue otherwise; "who is worse" becomes the only issue we have left to raise. so get with the program man, stay on topic here; clearly, we are not as bad as Saddam.


btw, i am being sarcastic. ;)
 

tallest1

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I believe average US prisons are very very very much different from Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib ('G&AG', for brevity). General prisoners have rights G&AG prisoners would die for. Thats not to say that everything is all fine and dandy in the regular prisons but at the very least, they know why they're there, how long they'll be there, they keep at least basic US freedoms, visitation & calls are allowed, and guards messing with them have a higher chance of getting whats comin to him (karma). I've even heard of prisoners who liken the quality of living inside cells as opposed to their prior life and don't want to leave. I can't say ANY of that goes on in G&AG - thus, the crap we hear about continues unnoticed. Thank god cameras aren't allowed anymore. Problem solved, eh?

Edit: misspelled 'thank'
 

syzygy

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Originally posted by: TheSnowman
oh come on, it is exactly the issue. when we have clearly done wrong and there is not much room to argue otherwise; "who is worse" becomes the only issue we have left to raise. so get with the program man, stay on topic here; clearly, we are not as bad as Saddam.


btw, i am being sarcastic. ;)

its not a question of degree but of institutional complicity/negligence/ boneheaded stupidity. the higher-ups were operating a system that cast too wide a net. the vast majority of people in the prisons were victims of entrapment, motorists or pedestrians who were in the wrong place at the wrong time, and therefore should not have been blindly subjected to such treatment when there is no imminent danger to avert. the salient differences i see between us and saddam are:

a- saddam built a police state to protect his grip of power. torture was institutionalized as means to that one end.
b- ba'athist torture was state-wide, pervasive, ran the full length of the country in times of peace and war. no special mitigating conditions beyond saddam's desire to kill off dissent.
c- saddam, as head of state, gained personal (sexual ?) pleasure from viewing films made of the abuse, as did a number of the higher-echelon ba'athists, including his sons, who were also personally involved in inflicting hideous abuses.
 
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Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
again, i'd like to point out; we are no where near as bad as Saddam.

and again I'd like to point out that is not the issue
Id likes to point out that there is a difference between prisoner abuse that's against the law and prisoner abuse that's required by government.
 

Czar

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Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
again, i'd like to point out; we are no where near as bad as Saddam.

and again I'd like to point out that is not the issue
Id likes to point out that there is a difference between prisoner abuse that's against the law and prisoner abuse that's required by government.

errrrr
"prisoner abuse that's required by government" what fscked up society do you live in???
 
May 10, 2001
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Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
again, i'd like to point out; we are no where near as bad as Saddam.

and again I'd like to point out that is not the issue
Id likes to point out that there is a difference between prisoner abuse that's against the law and prisoner abuse that's required by government.

errrrr
"prisoner abuse that's required by government" what fscked up society do you live in???
The point is that moral high-ground exists when you are trying to overcome the problem, insted of sanctioning or even requiering such actions: such as in iraq.
 

Czar

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Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
again, i'd like to point out; we are no where near as bad as Saddam.

and again I'd like to point out that is not the issue
Id likes to point out that there is a difference between prisoner abuse that's against the law and prisoner abuse that's required by government.

errrrr
"prisoner abuse that's required by government" what fscked up society do you live in???
The point is that moral high-ground exists when you are trying to overcome the problem, insted of sanctioning or even requiering such actions: such as in iraq.

so the government should abuse their own citizens who are in prison? or?
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
again, i'd like to point out; we are no where near as bad as Saddam.

and again I'd like to point out that is not the issue
Id likes to point out that there is a difference between prisoner abuse that's against the law and prisoner abuse that's required by government.

errrrr
"prisoner abuse that's required by government" what fscked up society do you live in???
The point is that moral high-ground exists when you are trying to overcome the problem, insted of sanctioning or even requiering such actions: such as in iraq.

OK, so let's say that the problem is you. I think it is you, and people like you, is it ok if i torture you and murder you?
 
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Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

The point is that moral high-ground exists when you are trying to overcome the problem, insted of sanctioning or even requiering such actions: such as in iraq.

What are you talking about? I don't even begin to understand this sentence. Can you try to better explain what you mean?
 

gistech1978

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how different is Camp X-Ray?

Makes you wonder if those stories were true.

Inmates allegedly had prostitute's menstral blood smeared on their faces.
etc etc.

sounds in line with what happened in Abu Ghraib.