Prison or halfway house for Palin e-mail hacker

[Corn]

He's taking the cue from Patranus, always blame someone you dislike even if they have nothing to do with what is being done.

You are doing the same here, it's hardly Obamas Dept of Justice, if it WAS, you'd have REAL complaints.

Palin went outside of the rules, got caught, the person who got her caught should actually enjoy immunity for exposing it, that is the way it should work, that is the way it doesn't work in the US these days.

Providing evidence of a politicians wrongdoings should mean immunity in the nation as long as it doesn't inflict on security of the nation or the extension of the nation abroad. That's the way it used to be.

As usual, you're wrong: http://www.adn.com/2008/11/03/577323/new-troopergate-report-clears.html (pay close attention to that last bullet point)

Since when has it ever been "the way it used to be" to allow someone to use criminal means to provide evidence of "wrongdoings"? Are you honestly stating that a private citizen should be free to, say, break into a politician's home if they think they can find some kind of evidence of "wrongdoings" in that home? What if they find no evidence? It's OK because of the alleged good intention of the criminal tresspass?

Don't be stupid.

Whistleblower laws shield people who have legitimate means of obtaining evidence of criminal acts from persecution, those laws do not shield anyone who commits criminal acts to obtain evidence of criminal behavior. Evidence used to prove criminal acts must be legally obtained to prosecute crimes, regardless of who provided that evidence (ordinary citizen or law enforcement).

Silly liberals.

 

[Scotteq]

Evidence of Criminal acts - obtained illegally - is not admissable in court. So allowing people to break laws in order to gather evidence of wrongdoing is.. well.. Asinine.

 

[Lemon law]

This guy did not hack Palin's account as a prank, he did it in an attempt to destroy her political candidacy.

He got a slap on the wrist with only a one year plus one day sentence, to be served either in prison or a half-way house, depending on space available.

Yeah, hacking your personal account wouldn't get him that kind of a sentence. Doing so as a partisan effort to corrupt the political process merits at least that kind of a sentence.

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The problem with the Pjibberish position is that the kid did not release what he hacked to the general public, so in that sense he did nothing to destroy Palin credibility. Of course the other thing to point out is that Palin credibility was already in the sewer for totally different reasons. And if anything the news that Palin account was hacked generated some sympathy for Palin.

Otherwise I have mixed feeling about the verdict. On one hand the kid otherwise had a lot of ability and promise and I destroying his life over a fool stunt benefits no one, but I also have little sympathy for computer hackers.

But a year in a half way house may now be a reasonable solution.

 

[PJABBER]

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The problem with the Pjibberish position is that the kid did not release what he hacked to the general public, so in that sense he did nothing to destroy Palin credibility.

Every time you single me out for personal insults you post something factually incorrect. Why is that?

From a WIRED story about this...

Photos taken from the account — including two pictures of Palin’s children — and five screen shots of e-mail messages were then posted on 4Chan and Imageshack. Bloggers quickly traced “Rubico” to Kernell.

Kernell, a University of Tennessee economics student at the time, had targeted Palin, he wrote in comments online, because he’d hoped to find information that would help derail her campaign and prevent her from being elected.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

As usual, you're wrong: http://www.adn.com/2008/11/03/577323/new-troopergate-report-clears.html (pay close attention to that last bullet point)

Since when has it ever been "the way it used to be" to allow someone to use criminal means to provide evidence of "wrongdoings"? Are you honestly stating that a private citizen should be free to, say, break into a politician's home if they think they can find some kind of evidence of "wrongdoings" in that home? What if they find no evidence? It's OK because of the alleged good intention of the criminal tresspass?

Don't be stupid.

Whistleblower laws shield people who have legitimate means of obtaining evidence of criminal acts from persecution, those laws do not shield anyone who commits criminal acts to obtain evidence of criminal behavior. Evidence used to prove criminal acts must be legally obtained to prosecute crimes, regardless of who provided that evidence (ordinary citizen or law enforcement).

Silly liberals.

Only under the archaic laws provided to protect the established government in the US (of course, this only goes for the conservative party, their bootlickers support them til death)

Silly fascists.

 

[werepossum]

Every time you single me out for personal insults you post something factually incorrect. Why is that?

From a WIRED story about this...

Because he can't single you out for personal insults without posting, and he can't post without posting something factually inaccurate, else his points become invalid.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Every time you single me out for personal insults you post something factually incorrect. Why is that?

From a WIRED story about this...

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/17/the-story-behind-the-palin-e-mail-hacking/

Releasing to Anonymous != releasing to the general public. Some /b/tard went and did that, and lulz were had.

 

[Balt]

Prison would be excessive I think. Since he's still young he could conceivably become a contributing member to society at some point in the future. I think prison probably lowers the odds of that happening.

Save cells for violent offenders and people who commit more serious offenses. We know that prison doesn't really rehabilitate many people, it's more like a way of protecting ourselves from dangerous people.

 

[dainthomas]

Otherwise I have mixed feeling about the verdict. On one hand the kid otherwise had a lot of ability and promise and I destroying his life over a fool stunt benefits no one, but I also have little sympathy for computer hackers.

But a year in a half way house may now be a reasonable solution.

Just so we're clear, if your email is lemonlaw@yahoo.com, and I try the password "lemonlaw" and it works, I did NOT just "hack" you. You just did the equivalent of leaving your Mercedes in the shadiest part of town with the doors open and the keys in the ignition. Sure whoever takes the car is breaking the law, but you've also shown spectacularly poor judgment.

 

[DominionSeraph]

I've broken § 2701

Watch me break 17 U.S.C. § 1201

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[DominionSeraph]

Just for fun I made, "PJABBER" illegal, for with a (now) publicly available code, "01010000010010100100000101000010010000100100010101010010" translates to the above number.

I just love computer laws!

 

[PJABBER]

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/17/the-story-behind-the-palin-e-mail-hacking/

Releasing to Anonymous != releasing to the general public. Some /b/tard went and did that, and lulz were had.

I would venture to say that 4chan is likely monitored by LE and that only a fool would expect that admission of a crime against a national political figure in the midst of a contentious campaign, along with damning proof of that crime, would not garner a response. The felon's own posts indicate that he knew he had done something seriously wrong, was unnerved by it, but his partisanship and pride led him to make it public information.

While you seem amused by such a crime, find it amateurish, the prosecutors did find it a violation of federal law, brought the case before a court that also found it merited both a felony and a misdemeanor conviction and then rendered a sentence.

We can argue if it was a fair sentence, just as we can argue if the law should exist, knowing how easily it can be committed. But then again, most crimes can be easily committed once intent occurs and judgment is suspended.

I value clean elections. I want a fair playing field. I am not so naive as to think they are in all cases, but I get a certain pleasure out of seeing some instances of justice played out when they are discovered not to be.

 

[PJABBER]

Just for fun I made, "PJABBER" illegal, for with a (now) publicly available code, "01010000010010100100000101000010010000100100010101010010" translates to the above number.

I just love computer laws!

I don't know why you hate, but perhaps you should see someone professional about this.

 

[PJABBER]

Just for fun I made, "PJABBER" illegal, for with a (now) publicly available code, "01010000010010100100000101000010010000100100010101010010" translates to the above number.

I just love computer laws!

Let me make it easy for you -

01000001 01101100 01101100 00100000 01110100 01110010 01110101 01110100 01101000 00100000 01110000 01100001 01110011 01110011 01100101 01110011 00100000 01110100 01101000 01110010 01101111 01110101 01100111 01101000 00100000 01110100 01101000 01110010 01100101 01100101 00100000 01110011 01110100 01100001 01100111 01100101 01110011 00101110 00100000 01000110 01101001 01110010 01110011 01110100 00101100 00100000 01101001 01110100 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01110010 01101001 01100100 01101001 01100011 01110101 01101100 01100101 01100100 00101110 00100000 01010011 01100101 01100011 01101111 01101110 01100100 00101100 00100000 01101001 01110100 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01110110 01101001 01101111 01101100 01100101 01101110 01110100 01101100 01111001 00100000 01101111 01110000 01110000 01101111 01110011 01100101 01100100 00101110 00100000 01010100 01101000 01101001 01110010 01100100 00101100 00100000 01101001 01110100 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01100001 01100011 01100011 01100101 01110000 01110100 01100101 01100100 00100000 01100001 01110011 00100000 01100010 01100101 01101001 01101110 01100111 00100000 01110011 01100101 01101100 01100110 00101101 01100101 01110110 01101001 01100100 01100101 01101110 01110100 00101110

 

[Scotteq]

Let me make it easy for you -

01000001 01101100 01101100 00100000 01110100 01110010 01110101 01110100 01101000 00100000 01110000 01100001 01110011 01110011 01100101 01110011 00100000 01110100 01101000 01110010 01101111 01110101 01100111 01101000 00100000 01110100 01101000 01110010 01100101 01100101 00100000 01110011 01110100 01100001 01100111 01100101 01110011 00101110 00100000 01000110 01101001 01110010 01110011 01110100 00101100 00100000 01101001 01110100 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01110010 01101001 01100100 01101001 01100011 01110101 01101100 01100101 01100100 00101110 00100000 01010011 01100101 01100011 01101111 01101110 01100100 00101100 00100000 01101001 01110100 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01110110 01101001 01101111 01101100 01100101 01101110 01110100 01101100 01111001 00100000 01101111 01110000 01110000 01101111 01110011 01100101 01100100 00101110 00100000 01010100 01101000 01101001 01110010 01100100 00101100 00100000 01101001 01110100 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01100001 01100011 01100011 01100101 01110000 01110100 01100101 01100100 00100000 01100001 01110011 00100000 01100010 01100101 01101001 01101110 01100111 00100000 01110011 01100101 01101100 01100110 00101101 01100101 01110110 01101001 01100100 01100101 01101110 01110100 00101110

Schopenhauer

 

[PJABBER]

Schopenhauer

LOL! QFT! :awe:

 

[Corn]

Only under the archaic laws provided to protect the established government in the US (of course, this only goes for the conservative party, their bootlickers support them til death)

Silly fascists.

I see you didn't heed my friendly advice to not be stupid.

Let me ask you a couple questions:

Are you saying that in your country, illegally obtained evidence of a crime is admissable in court?

Is it also your opinion that it is OK for the general public to illegally trespass in an effort to gain evidence of any suspected unethical or criminal behavior?

What if that trespass doesn't net the desired result of obtaining evidence detailing unethical or criminal behavior? No harm, no foul?

Which bizarro world do you live in where someone believes the affirmative answer to those questions thinks and accuses someone who belives the opposite to be a fascist?

 

[ericlp]

How the h3ll could Palin "drop it"?

She's not a federal prosecutor.

If you wanna bitch at somebody for prosecuting this guy why aren't you criticizing the Obama Dept of Justice?

Fern

Haha, you didn't hear this bitch speak? She's asking to throw the guy on the BBQ. Oh well, that's your new repug leader I guess. How ya enjoying it?

 

[ericlp]

Prison would be excessive I think. Since he's still young he could conceivably become a contributing member to society at some point in the future. I think prison probably lowers the odds of that happening.

Save cells for violent offenders and people who commit more serious offenses. We know that prison doesn't really rehabilitate many people, it's more like a way of protecting ourselves from dangerous people.

Too late for that he is already a fellon he's pretty much screwed... even McDonald's won't hire him.

 

[Corn]

Too late for that he is already a fellon he's pretty much screwed... even McDonald's won't hire him.

Can't do the time? Don't commit the crime. The only thing screwing this criminal is his own stupidity.

 

[ericlp]

Can't do the time? Don't commit the crime. The only thing screwing this criminal is his own stupidity.

What crime is that ? Guess a password ?

Hmmm, well, he was pretty stupid to post that crap up on 4chan. I suppose if he didn't do that to show off to all his buddies then they probably wouldn't have found out.

Oh well.