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Prime95 behavior affected by ATI 4.10 driver!

Navid

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I run prime95 torture test, and many processes start accessing the hard drive almost continuously. Next day, prime is still on the first test! The CPU activity on the prime process remains around 2%. System Idle Process is around 98%.

I uninstall the ATI 4.10 driver, and then, prime95 runs fine! The prime process CPU activity is around 50% (as it should be).

I install the 4.9 driver. Prime95 works fine.
Only 4.10 seems to have a problem.

Why is this happening?


P4C 2.6G on P4P800 deluxe
9600 pro
2X512MB Kingston PC3200
XP pro SP2 on 80GB Seagate SATA
40GB WD PATA
Nothing overclocked
 
Hey! Now i know why my prime95 is messed up 😛 The same thing happened to me. It never got passed the first test. 🙂
 
it could be the new catalyst control center. sometimes it'll eat 50% of the cpu time in the background. try checking your cpu usage in task manager before opening prime95.
 
Originally posted by: gururu
it could be the new catalyst control center. sometimes it'll eat 50% of the cpu time in the background. try checking your cpu usage in task manager before opening prime95.

I am not using the catalyst control center.
I have used the task manager to monitor CPU usage. That is what I was talking about in my original post!
As I said, the cpu usage is almost 0% with 4.10.
 
I should try this because this sounds messed up. Maybe theres an update for prime? Also, what are your chipset drivers? Motherboards can do crazy things. Just a guess.
 
FWIW I do not see the same problem with Prime on a vnf250 with the Omega based on the 4.10 betas

If Prime isn't using CPU, what is?

I have had problems lately with Mozilla / Firefox suddenly wanting 100% CPU and hanging that way while loading a page. Three different system, one A64, one SocketA and one P3.
 
Originally posted by: Concillian
If Prime isn't using CPU, what is?

Nothing uses the CPU.
As I said, in the original post, System Idle Process shows to occupy almost 100% of the CPU time, which means that the CPU is idle.
 
Whoa. Looks like ATI might have a major bug in their 4.10 Cats then.

I've encountered similar issues, when trying to make .PAR2 files using QuickPAR. The HD would start thrashing like MAD, and yet, CPU utilization, as well as virtual-memory usage by the program, were very small, on the order of nothing running at all. (This is under W2K SP2.) It was almost like there was a "ghost in the machine" taking over, and thrashing the HD.

What I believe was happening, was that, because of the size of files that I was trying to create the PAR2 files for (CD-sized, I think - 690MB Ghost split images), that QuickPAR was attempting to allocate/commit a virtual-memory address space much larger than, well, anything. I think on the order of 10 gigabytes worth of VM space. Also, when it starts to work, it attempts to "test memory", which I assume based on observed behavior, means that it naively allocates a huge span of virtual-memory, and then attempts to read/write it first, before using, to prevent data-corruption in the generated output files.

The reason that the HD was thrashing, was indeed that it was paging madly. The reason that the VM utilization of the program was very low, as shown by Task Manager, was that it was not application VM that was getting thrashed/paged, but the system-level virtual-memory page tables themselves!.

I suspect that this may be the case with the ATI drivers as well. They are well-known to have issues with excessive page-table entry allocation in certain cases, which is what causes the "delayed write failure" issue in XP, because W2K and XP's behavior WRT to page-table entry allocations appear to be different - W2K pre-allocates them, XP lazy-allocates them on-demand. (At best that I can figure, based on the observation on how they perform - not based on any sort of code analysis - so I could be quite wrong here.) Additionally, I feel that this is the same reason that PunkBusters causes long "pauses" on XP, but not on W2K - because when it fires, and attempts to scan system RAM for "cheat programs", it has to set up a secondary virtual-memory mapping, pointing to the real system RAM, which causes the immediate lazy-allocation of a huge number of PTEs, which causes the system to pretty-much freeze-up for a period of time until the allocation is finished. (That's my theory, anyways.)

I believe that these sorts of issues, are also why MS is moving towards pushing for use of their "Universal GART 3.0/3.5 driver", instead of vendor/chipset-specific ones, because they can in some cases cause significant issues.

This issue in specific may also be related to why so many people have reported problems running games like COD using the 4.10 Cats. I plan on never installing them, based on so many reports of problems. (Like this thread.)
 
I installed prime95 to check it out. It looks like I am seeing an issue with using the blend setting for Torture test. Using PrimeNet, or Small FFT/Large FFT torture test "seems" OK, however blend I'm not seeing CPU utilization....is that what you guys are seeing?

Edit: I do see my page file size jump up and some CPU spikes...could it just be the blend tests are testing the memory initially rather than the CPU (I'm not familiar with Prime95)


 
Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Hmm. Perhaps it depends on the chipset and GART driver then? Thor86, are you using XP or W2K?

Using WinXP Pro on an Asus P4C800-E Deluxe board w/ 3.2C Northwood, and a Sapphire X800 Vivo.
 
So blend gets hung on test1, I'll run it for a while and see. Anyone know how long Torture test "blend" should take on test1 on a moderately powerful AMD system?
 
Well, I noticed that using the blend torture test that initially my page file jumps way up and I do get some cpu spikes, perhaps it tests memory first because after a few minutes my CPU utilization went up to 100% and stayed there? How long should test1 take on a moderately powerful AMD rig so I can see if it indeed hangs?
 
On my A64 2800+ at 2400MHz Each test takes about 15-20 minutes. Closer to 15 than 20

I get 99% CPU utilization with:
Omega 2590 (based on the Cat 4.10 betas)
Windows 2000 SP4
512MB on that PC (for testing, which is all it's doing now)
Pretty much a fresh install + updates
 
Well, if you are getting close to 100% CPU utilization in Task Manager, attributed to the Prime95.exe process, then everything is working as it should. AFAIK, the "Omega beta 4.10" drivers do not have the same problem that the official release 4.10 Cats do, at least in reference to COD, and I'm guessing this issue too.
 
I know, I was answering the question above as far as how long it SHOULD take. He wanted to check if it hangs completely, and to do that he needed a reference of how long it should be taking (like 16 hours on 2% utilization)
 
Ok, wierdness, I just tried running Prime95 on an Athlon XP 1800+, KT400/8235 chipset, Via drivers, ATI Cat 4.11 official release, WinXP SP1. Prime was only using 1-2% of CPU time, CPU was definately NOT maxed out - WTF is going on here? Guess it's not just 4.10 that was affected.
 
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