Primarily Gaming Purposes - 4790K or 5820K ?

[cbn]

Im going for a 2way GTX980 watercooled loop.

Have you looked 3 x 970 GTX vs. 2 x 980 GTX as far as value goes?

Also, I have to wonder with 3 x 970 GTX would you even need a watercooled loop? (re: 970 GTX with reference cooler should be pretty quiet).

 

[sidrockrulz]

Well for gaming even 8GB RAM should be more than enough....and I don't see this changing any time soon.

Thats true... I also do some photography n photo editing... .i'm thinking the extra RAM might help there !

 

[sidrockrulz]

Have you looked 3 x 970 GTX vs. 2 x 980 GTX as far as value goes?

Also, I have to wonder with 3 x 970 GTX would you even need a watercooled loop? (re: 970 GTX with reference cooler should be pretty quiet).

Do you think the performance gain of the 3x970 is more than that of the 2x980 ?


Also, sure.. i am sure they can handle without a watercooled loop.. but Ive been wanting to do a modded case plexiglass watercooled loop ( kinda like a wishlist you see ). So I guess i will liquid cool

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Do you think the performance gain of the 3x970 is more than that of the 2x980 ?


Also, sure.. i am sure they can handle without a watercooled loop.. but Ive been wanting to do a modded case plexiglass watercooled loop ( kinda like a wishlist you see ). So I guess i will liquid cool

" . . .modded case plexiglass wc loop . . " Do you mean a case sidewindow? or the whole case? Can you explain this?

 

[dmoney1980]

OP - do you live near a Micro Center? If so, the price difference between a 4790k and the 5820k is only $20

 

[sidrockrulz]

" . . .modded case plexiglass wc loop . . " Do you mean a case sidewindow? or the whole case? Can you explain this?

I already have a HAF Stacker case, so the side window part is taken care of..

I am talking about rigid plexiglass tubing for the loop.

 

[sidrockrulz]

OP - do you live near a Micro Center? If so, the price difference between a 4790k and the 5820k is only $20

Yes I do !

Just saw it on their website,, You think I should jump or wait for Thanksgiving ?

Open box on the GTX980 also - 512$
Open Box ASUS x99 Deluxe - 339$

Jump on both ? Or wait ?

 

[dmoney1980]

Yes I do !

Just saw it on their website,, You think I should jump or wait for Thanksgiving ?

Open box on the GTX980 also - 512$
Open Box ASUS x99 Deluxe - 339$

Jump on both ? Or wait ?

not bad! I would ask them if the open box board would also qualify for the cpu+mobo combo discount, which could shave off another $40 off the cost of the combo. Also, when buying open box, make sure to inspect the board for bent pins and make sure it's not missing the I/O backplate or other parts. The x99 deluxe is a nice board, but you may go for something cheaper if you want.

That 980 for $512 aint bad, what brand model?

 

[sidrockrulz]

not bad! I would ask them if the open box board would also qualify for the cpu+mobo combo discount, which could shave off another $40 off the cost of the combo. Also, when buying open box, make sure to inspect the board for bent pins and make sure it's not missing the I/O backplate or other parts. The x99 deluxe is a nice board, but you may go for something cheaper if you want.

Absolutely , will do..

On another note, with the next gen Broadwell coming in early 2016 which will be compatible with the 1150 Socket, which would you advise ?

That 980 for $512 aint bad, what brand model?

EVGA GTX 980 SC ACX2.0

 

[crashtech]

Most of the guys here act like the CPU gets soldered in once it is dropped in the socket, so you won't find many entertaining the idea of a later CPU swap.

 

[dmoney1980]

Absolutely , will do..

On another note, with the next gen Broadwell coming in early 2016 which will be compatible with the 1150 Socket, which would you advise ?



EVGA GTX 980 SC ACX2.0

I can't honestly answer that, really your choice. All I can say is that Broadwell is still far away, and from what I've read, won't offer a big leap performance wise over Haswell, aiming to be an efficiency focused chip

 

[sidrockrulz]

I can't honestly answer that, really your choice. All I can say is that Broadwell is still far away, and from what I've read, won't offer a big leap performance wise over Haswell, aiming to be an efficiency focused chip

Hmmm...

Read this:
http://www.kitguru.net/components/cp...re-cpu-review/


Looks like the 4790k still outperforms the 5820k in gaming..

Any significant advantages of the x99 over the z97 platform ?

 

[cbn]

All I can say is that Broadwell is still far away, and from what I've read, won't offer a big leap performance wise over Haswell, aiming to be an efficiency focused chip

I'm not expecting Broadwell-K to be much faster either.

Really I think at this point it boils down to at least two things:

1. Does the OP need to run three cards in order to hit his detail setting and resolution targets

2. Does the OP want to be able to upgrade to a M.2 Ultra SSD sometime in the next four years.

 

[cbn]

Hmmm...

Read this:
http://www.kitguru.net/components/cp...re-cpu-review/


Looks like the 4790k still outperforms the 5820k in gaming..

Any significant advantages of the x99 over the z97 platform ?

On a game like Battlefield 4 multiplayer (64 players), I wouldn't be suprised if the i7-5820K was able to push up frame rates higher than the i7-4790K.

But with that mentioned, we are talking very high frame rates already with lesser processors (even my OC G3258 does well actually). But maybe if you are using 120 Hz or 144 Hz monitors that extra boost from the hexcore is worth it?

Also I believe Crysis 3 scales to eight cores.

 

[crashtech]

Part of the equation is that twitch gamers and some sensitive people feel they need 120fps. For me, 60+ is butter and I am not into multiplayer. So I don't need 6 or 8 cores for games. What kind of gamer the OP is should affect the decision.

Even though the 4790K may look like it is dominant, if you start examining minimums in demanding games, the hexcores can often plow through the tough spots and always keep the frame rate high. That is significant, especially in multiplayer.

 

[sidrockrulz]

I'm not expecting Broadwell-K to be much faster either.

Yes, but it will be on the 1150 Socket.. Yes ?

Any news on the Haswell equivalent ?

1. Does the OP need to run three cards in order to hit his detail setting and resolution targets

Absolute help needed on this one !

2. Does the OP want to be able to upgrade to a M.2 Ultra SSD sometime in the next four years.

I do not really think so,..

 

[sidrockrulz]

On a game like Battlefield 4 multiplayer (64 players), I wouldn't be suprised if the i7-5820K was able to push up frame rates higher than the i7-4790K.

But with that mentioned, we are talking very high frame rates already with lesser processors (even my OC G3258 does well actually). But maybe if you are using 120 Hz or 144 Hz monitors that extra boost from the hexcore is worth it?

Also I believe Crysis 3 scales to eight cores.

My multiplayer time will be minimal.. Its almost always single player or LAN.

If i play more Single player , you think the 4790k is good enough ? And maybe a CPU upgrade after 2 years or so if needed to the Broadwell-K or get a 5820k and upgrade that one..

 

[sidrockrulz]

Part of the equation is that twitch gamers and some sensitive people feel they need 120fps. For me, 60+ is butter and I am not into multiplayer. So I don't need 6 or 8 cores for games. What kind of gamer the OP is should affect the decision.

Even though the 4790K may look like it is dominant, if you start examining minimums in demanding games, the hexcores can often plow through the tough spots and always keep the frame rate high. That is significant, especially in multiplayer.

I dont really care for twitch... It will be more single player gaming..

So, say i get the 4790k on a z97, with 2xGTX980s and add one later, will the Z97 boards support x8x8x4 still in a three way SLI ?

This: http://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/MAXIMUS_VII_FORMULA/specifications/ tends to say otherwise...

The spec is listed as :
2 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16 or dual x8)
1 x PCIe 2.0 x16 (x4 mode) *1
3 x PCIe 2.0 x1
1 x mini-PCIe 2.0 x1 *2



Does this mean i cannot do 4 way at PCIe 3.0 speeds ?

 

[crashtech]

I think once you get to 3 or more GPUs, X99 starts to make sense, though there are Z97 boards with PLX chips. Not my area of expertise, though.

 

[cbn]

My multiplayer time will be minimal.. Its almost always single player or LAN.

If i play more Single player , you think the 4790k is good enough ?

Definitely, it will even be plenty for multi-player as well.

 

[cbn]

So, say i get the 4790k on a z97, with 2xGTX980s and add one later, will the Z97 boards support x8x8x4 still in a three way SLI ?

Have you decided on triple 1440p or triple 1080p monitors yet?

 

[dmoney1980]

OP - SLI does not run on any x4 slots, so three way SLI is not an option for z97 boards, unless you get an expensive board with a PLX chip

 

[RussianSensation]

Hmmm...

Read this:
http://www.kitguru.net/components/cp...re-cpu-review/


Looks like the 4790k still outperforms the 5820k in gaming..

Any significant advantages of the x99 over the z97 platform ?

That's an awesome review and backs up my sentiment that if I were to buy now I would get the 5820K platform. When gaming, 4790k Max OC wins by less than 5%, when using multi-threaded apps, 5820k OC wins by 30-45%. Also, while the cost of DDR4 is high, you can reuse it in 4 years but DDR3 will be worthless. You do not need to buy a $400-500 X99 board either. Gigabyte UD4 or Asrock Exteme 4 or 6 are good boards at $220-260.

If you look at GameGPU data on recent titles like Son:Ryse of Rome or CIV: BE, the 5960X at just 3Ghz beats 4790K. All it takes is 1-2 major AAA popular games where the 6 core scales well, and it's game over for the 4790K. The extra 300mhz overclock on 4790K will do little for gaming over the long term. If you have a MC near you, the difference in platform costs is a lot less than $300-400. It is only that large if you spend $ on top boards, most of which are loaded with features you don't need and charge for marketing/branding.

Price out 4790K with Extreme 6 vs. 5820K with Extreme 4 and see what happens. Get 8GB of DDR4 now. When prices drop you can pick up more later.

Alternatively, if you will be gaming 99% of the time, then put the $ saved towards a larger SSD or faster videocard. You really can't go wrong with either option. Since I don't just game, I would pick the 5820K at this time. Maybe with Skylake's 14nm, 10% increase in IPC, > 5Ghz overclocks and PCIe4, I would not go with 5820K.

Since you can get 5820K at MC, you'll be able to sell it at minimal loss in value when BW-E comes out in 2016. If you are going triple monitors, 3x 970s are better than 2x 980s, which gives even more reason to go X99.

Also, I am not sure why you are ignoring PCIe SSD flash storage down the line. In 3-4 years prices might drop and you'll be able to get a very fast OS PCIe storage. With 2-3 cards and Z97, I would not go that route.

 

[sidrockrulz]

OP - SLI does not run on any x4 slots, so three way SLI is not an option for z97 boards, unless you get an expensive board with a PLX chip

Sure.. but why i am considering a board witha PLX chip is that, when Boadwell K comes out, is it going to support 3x SLI ? And if it does, it would be a bummer if my Z97 board cannot support it

Thoughts ?

 

[sidrockrulz]

Have you decided on triple 1440p or triple 1080p monitors yet?

Triple 1440p sir !