Question Price war heating up? Or is the market about to crash?

[lopri]

Some amazing deals are going on at Microcenter.

13600K for $250
13700K for $330

7900X + ASUS B650E-F + 32GB DDR5 for $600

There are more. Check them out. 13600K for $250 in particular is an almost unbeatable value, because that CPU works reliably well with B660/B760 boards unlike higher end SKUs.

These are quite generous even by Microcenter's usual standard. I wonder if this is a price war accelerating or a symptom of rough times? It seems like the last holdouts are the mobo makers + NVIDIA. (Their greed is duly noted.)

 

[coercitiv]

They who shall not be named offer a convenient quick comparison of CPUs and graphic cards

Many things are convenient in life, not all of them are worth it. UserBenchmark is not a benchmark, but a curated list of CPU recommendations. And the curator is broken.

I'd rather use Cinebench to check my email than UberBenchamrk to compare CPUs.

 

[Kocicak]

Many things are convenient in life, not all of them are worth it. ...

How do you quickly compare general performance of 13900K and 10980XE then? When you need just a general idea?

Benchmarks on Anandtech will not help you, they are dead.

 

[maddie]

How do you quickly compare general performance of 13900K and 10980XE then? When you need just a general idea?

Benchmarks on Anandtech will not help you, they are dead.

The illusion of knowing. First time I've heard the argument that "wrong/bad data is better than no data".

 

[DrMrLordX]

How do you quickly compare general performance of 13900K and 10980XE then?

Find some old 10980XE benchmarks and run the same software on a 13900k. Where possible. Or find someone with a 10980XE running and have them run some modern stuff if they're willing to cooperate.

 

[Kocicak]

Find some old 10980XE benchmarks and run the same software on a 13900k. Where possible. Or find someone with a 10980XE running and have them run some modern stuff if they're willing to cooperate.

1) That is not quick at all.
2) I do not own either of these CPUs, I would need to recalculate the results from my 13600K with the core counts and frequency differences.
3) Finding someone with a 10980XE (also willing to waste time running some benchmarks) may be mission impossible.

 

[Kocicak]

Wow, HP Z4 G4 worstation with 10980XE is still available, without any graphic card it costs 3000 Euro. I wonder who is going to buy it.

They should really be selling these obsolete computers for 100 Euro to enthusiasts.

 

[DrMrLordX]

1) That is not quick at all.

Okay . . .

2) I do not own either of these CPUs

13900k results should be rather common. You can get them from any number of reviews or forum posts.

3) Finding someone with a 10980XE (also willing to waste time running some benchmarks) may be mission impossible.

We probably have someone around here with one somewhere.

 

[Mopetar]

Let me provide a quote from the PCMR bot, since we don't have one here -

SNIP

Since the comparison was limited to only Intel CPUs, the use can probably slide. I know they've modified their own scoring system and weights over time, but assuming the results for both use the same system, it's an okay comparison if you want a quick number or a rough estimate.

I haven't looked at them in a while, but do they have any of their usual blurbs for the non-X Zen 4 CPUs? I could use a good chuckle.

 

[aigomorla]

How do you quickly compare general performance of 13900K and 10980XE then? When you need just a general idea?

Benchmarks on Anandtech will not help you, they are dead.

well let me first correct you a bit..
The last Intel HEDT was the W-3175X.

Intel® Xeon® W-3175X Processor (38.5M Cache, 3.10 GHz) - Product Specifications | Intel

Intel® Xeon® W-3175X Processor (38.5M Cache, 3.10 GHz) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.

www.intel.com

It was a workstation class, because they could price it more, but it was a HEDT by all definitions because it was the last CPU in server class that allowed overclocking, hence the last letter X designation.

Although i feel it was just a garbage of a silicon, as it was priced way too much, thanks to AMD and there stupidly high Threadripper prices, it was still what most consider the last HEDT intel released despite being a skylake-w designation. This is what i mean about HEDT going off into limbo.

AMD is also guilty at meshing the HEDT with workstation with the first generation Threadripper PRO. Why the hell did they bring this chip out when its essentially a EYPC with just a Threadripper designation. I also blame AMD for price inflation on the HEDT line. They did so because people started buying threadrippers and overclocking them, instead of buying EYPC cutting into the EYPC margins.

Dual Threadripper Pro 3995WX Surpasses Two EPYC CPUs to Set New CPU Record

Battle of the AMD heavyweights

www.tomshardware.com

So the only solution from AMD was to price them as high as EYPC chips.

We probably have someone around here with one somewhere.

Raises hand... its on my last functional X299 chipset system i have not yet retired out.
I just could not get rid of it, as it still has ample pci-e lanes, and 3 x physical 16x pci-e lanes.
Its still a excellent chip for what i need it to do. Infact i honestly don't see the need for something faster, just more pci-e lanes.

 

[MrTeal]

Threadrippers are intended for amateur cheap workstations. You do not need to buy a server for 20 grand to get the performance you need.

After the performance and prices of the new Intel workstation products are revealed, Threadrippers may get a price cut, if needed. It may not be needed at all, we will see.

I'm confused by what you mean here. I would consider TR to be a HEDT platform, though the move to sWRX8 is really pushing the edge of that in size and cost. I'm not sure what's planned there for a Zen4/DDR5 update. Intel's SR HEDT platform should be launching this month. HEDT really isn't dead.

 

[Thunder 57]

well let me first correct you a bit..
The last Intel HEDT was the W-3175X.

Intel® Xeon® W-3175X Processor (38.5M Cache, 3.10 GHz) - Product Specifications | Intel

Intel® Xeon® W-3175X Processor (38.5M Cache, 3.10 GHz) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.

www.intel.com

It was a workstation class, because they could price it more, but it was a HEDT by all definitions because it was the last CPU in server class that allowed overclocking, hence the last letter X designation.

Although i feel it was just a garbage of a silicon, as it was priced way too much, thanks to AMD and there stupidly high Threadripper prices, it was still what most consider the last HEDT intel released despite being a skylake-w designation. This is what i mean about HEDT going off into limbo.

AMD is also guilty at meshing the HEDT with workstation with the first generation Threadripper PRO. Why the hell did they bring this chip out when its essentially a EYPC with just a Threadripper designation. I also blame AMD for price inflation on the HEDT line. They did so because people started buying threadrippers and overclocking them, instead of buying EYPC cutting into the EYPC margins.

Dual Threadripper Pro 3995WX Surpasses Two EPYC CPUs to Set New CPU Record

Battle of the AMD heavyweights

www.tomshardware.com

So the only solution from AMD was to price them as high as EYPC chips.



Raises hand... its on my last functional X299 chipset system i have not yet retired out.
I just could not get rid of it, as it still has ample pci-e lanes, and 3 x physical 16x pci-e lanes.
Its still a excellent chip for what i need it to do. Infact i honestly don't see the need for something faster, just more pci-e lanes.

The problem is you want a high core number, which has a large amount of PCI-e lanes, and more memory channels, that is also overclockable, that is cheap. Nice things cost money.

 

[Markfw]

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The problem is you want a high core number, which has a large amount of PCI-e lanes, and more memory channels, that is also overclockable, that is cheap. Nice things cost money.

got a 7763, 64 core EPYC Milan for $1500 used (actually 2 of them), and $800 the cheapest used I can find for the W-3175x. And the Milan uses less power. There is no way I would buy this dinosaur Xeon.

 

[aigomorla]

The problem is you want a high core number, which has a large amount of PCI-e lanes, and more memory channels, that is also overclockable, that is cheap. Nice things cost money.

no i don't need a high core count.
Honestly for my daily im perfectly fine with 16/32.
I need a faster core clock speed more then higher core count, hence why the lower thread ripper pro 2's were perfect for me, but you need to have a special hand shake with AMD and know the proper channels, and not be a scalper with bot programs to get your hands on a 16c/32 Threadripper pro 5000 series.
They also had way ample pci-e lanes.... like 128 i believe, which is way more then what i need.

It was honestly cheaper for me to get a EYPC in the long run then a Threadripper pro 5000 series, ironically. And my current platform is showing its age, as i want those pci-e 5.0 lanes and ddr5 support along with built in 10gbe.

 

[scannall]

no i don't need a high core count.
Honestly for my daily im perfectly fine with 16/32.
I need a faster core clock speed more then higher core count, hence why the lower thread ripper pro 2's were perfect for me, but you need to have a special hand shake with AMD and know the proper channels, and not be a scalper with bot programs to get your hands on a 16c/32 Threadripper pro 5000 series.
They also had way ample pci-e lanes.... like 128 i believe, which is way more then what i need.

It was honestly cheaper for me to get a EYPC in the long run then a Threadripper pro 5000 series, ironically. And my current platform is showing its age, as i want those pci-e 5.0 lanes and ddr5 support along with built in 10gbe.

Not sure if it helps but Amazon has the AMD EPYC Rome 16-CORE 7302P 3.3GHZ for $972.

 

[Markfw]

Not sure if it helps but Amazon has the AMD EPYC Rome 16-CORE 7302P 3.3GHZ for $972.

No, he wants a Milan 7313, with a MSRP of $1083. Or here for $995 + $30 shipping

Pardon Our Interruption...

 

[aigomorla]

Not sure if it helps but Amazon has the AMD EPYC Rome 16-CORE 7302P 3.3GHZ for $972.

Announcement - PSA: You need a Torque driver for Thread Ripper + EYPC

Doe.... wish someone told me you needed a Torque driver to mount the CPU on these guys. @Markfw wish you mentioned this. :eek: https://community.amd.com/t5/processors/i-need-a-new-torque-wrench-for-my-1950x-threadripper-how-do-i/td-p/225454 I got a few parts coming in, and now i need to...

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I already have a 7601P. I want overclocking tho.
Remember my ranting about the required torque driver just to mount the cpu.

 

[MrTeal]

Do they not provide a torque spec in ugga duggas as well?

 

[Markfw]

Do they not provide a torque spec in ugga duggas as well?

The included driver does not need the spec, as its built into the wrench, just like the pro torque wrenches,. But someone found it. 13.5 inch lbs comes to mind, or was it ft lbs ?

 

[DrMrLordX]

Why the hell did they bring this chip out when its essentially a EYPC with just a Threadripper designation. I also blame AMD for price inflation on the HEDT line. They did so because people started buying threadrippers and overclocking them, instead of buying EYPC cutting into the EYPC margins.

You seem to have answered your own question. Not that it's good for HEDT buyers, but.

Raises hand... its on my last functional X299 chipset system i have not yet retired out.
I just could not get rid of it, as it still has ample pci-e lanes, and 3 x physical 16x pci-e lanes.
Its still a excellent chip for what i need it to do. Infact i honestly don't see the need for something faster, just more pci-e lanes.

If you wish to entertain @Kocicak 's curiosity, he wants a performance comparison between a 10980XE and a 13900k. That's strictly up to you.

 

[aigomorla]

If you wish to entertain @Kocicak 's curiosity, he wants a performance comparison between a 10980XE and a 13900k. That's strictly up to you.

lol that rig is completely sitting at stock doing things which should not be mentioned on this forum.
*leaves for you guys to imagine what it is*

Actually its running unraid, with a whole lot of dockers and other stuff i throw at to play around with it as a test incase i ever get fed up with the freenas entitlement stench that has filled the air whenever i have issues and need to go on there forums. :X

Meaning.... unraid kinda feels like Orks... you throw things together and believe it works, and it will work.
FreeNas is a custodes, you can not deviate from hardware, you must use proper enterprise gear, and most of all, you need to hold your nose up so high in the air that you wont be able to see past your cheeks unless you get in that special angle.
But FreeNAS when done right is epic like a Custodes.

Im sure you guys who are on FreeNAS and Unraid know exactly what im talking about, and i appologize for my warhammer 40k reference..