Price of Medication here why?

zod96

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I have a simple question, I'm more curious than anything. My 70 year mother has to get an inhaler for her condition. Now she is on Medicare and she also has a good suppliant to go with it. If she buys it here in the good old USA its about $180. But if she buys it from a Canadian pharmacy, the exact same inhaler its $45. And that's not it, I could name at least 80% of her medication is at least 50% cheaper buying from Canada then buying from here. Why is it so much cheaper to buy in Canada then in the USA?
 

woolfe9998

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Because the prices the drug companies can charge wholesale are controlled by their state healthcare system. In the US pharmaceuticals are in a free market with no price controls.
 

zod96

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Aw ok that is pretty clear. Then I want the state to control the healthcare system...or in other words our market is run by greed and theirs is run be necessity..
 

Londo_Jowo

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Why Are Medications Cheaper in Canada?

http://drugs.about.com/od/faqsaboutyourdrugs/f/Canada_cheap.htm



Multiple Reasons for Cost Differences

The reason that prescription medications are cheaper in Canada is complex and there are several factors that contribute to the lower costs.
The Canadian government puts a cap, or ceiling, on the amount that drug companies can charge pharmacies and other distributors of drugs. This reduces the wholesale cost of medication for most organizations throughout Canada by about five percent. The prices are determined by Canada’s Patented Medicine Prices Review Board. Since drugstores pay less for many medications, they can sell them for less.

Each of the Canadian provinces, like Quebec and Ontario, has a drug formulary that puts restrictions on the use of new and expensive medications. Since the provinces provide the bulk of drugs to higher users of medication, (seniors), they have the power to negotiate directly with pharmaceutical companies to lower prices for a medication to get on the formulary. In Ontario, for example, the formulary includes less than 35 percent of new medications.

Canadian pharmaceutical companies have lower liability costs than U.S. drug companies. Canadians are not only less likely than Americans to sue healthcare providers or drug companies but when they do sue, awards and damages are a lot lower than in the U.S. In the U.S., some economists consider the cost of liability insurance for a drug company to be similar to a “tax” on medications.


Standard of Living May Be the Key Factor

The most important factor, however, may be the difference in the standard of living between the two countries. The average Canadian's standard of living is 20 percent to 30 percent lower than the average American's standard of living. This difference affects the price that a drug company sets for a brand name drug.
In the U.S, for example, a can of Miller’s beer may be less expensive in rural New Mexico than it is in Beverly Hills. Similarly, that is why some brand name drugs like Lipitor and Diovan are cheaper in Canada –- many Canadians cannot afford to pay as much as their American counterparts and the drug companies sell these medications for less.
 

zod96

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So why doesn't our government put a cap on the price of drugs?
 

OSULugan

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So why doesn't our government put a cap on the price of drugs?

Follow the money. The government instead is forcing every citizen to pay money to an insurance company, which will then moderately decrease your cost for those medications, but allow the drug companies to adjust prices as necessary.

Rather than tackle the real problem of overpriced health care and medication costs, the government passed the ACA to band-aid the problem while mandating people giving more money to private companies.
 

Juddog

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Follow the money. The government instead is forcing every citizen to pay money to an insurance company, which will then moderately decrease your cost for those medications, but allow the drug companies to adjust prices as necessary.

Rather than tackle the real problem of overpriced health care and medication costs, the government passed the ACA to band-aid the problem while mandating people giving more money to private companies.

Exactly - the health care system in Canada was passed 30 years ago and still trounces USA's healthcare system - I guess the USA doesn't care about being number 1 in anything anymore. We've now fallen behind in education, healthcare, broadband, to name a few.
 

BoberFett

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Because the prices the drug companies can charge wholesale are controlled by their state healthcare system. In the US pharmaceuticals are in a free market with no price controls.

Holy fail.

The FDA is free market?

Patents are free market?
 

Hayabusa Rider

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There are other ways to develop new drugs. One idea out there is to create a world fund which would draw researchers from around the world and bypass the IP and other industry considerations. The Obama administration worked to kill that though. Still, it's a possibility. CEOs and directors don't make meds.
 

postmortemIA

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Yeah, but that will never happen here. Right? :confused:
as soon as when everybody has healthcare, it will happen. I assume that is what you are implying. And this is the real advantage of the current healthcare system, however only for ones who are 'worthy'.
 

bozack

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Oh, really?

$614.27 is the cheapest price for 90 x 20 mg tablets of brand name Lipitor:

http://www.goodrx.com/lipitor#/?fil...ablet&strength=20mg&quantity=90.0&qty-custom=


$27.45 is the cheapest price for 90 x 20 mg tablets of atorvastatin (generic Lipitor):

http://www.goodrx.com/lipitor#/?fil...ablet&strength=20mg&quantity=90.0&qty-custom=

And implement price controls on new on patent drugs and watch the companies that explore these treatments dry up and instead focus on making generics, oh wait can't do that as they are all overeseas now for the most part anyway...

Making new drugs is a long and expensive process, patents at least give companies a window to recoup their costs and turn a profit which they typically reinvest into R&D in the hopes that they come up with something else.
 

alkemyst

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Oh, really?

$614.27 is the cheapest price for 90 x 20 mg tablets of brand name Lipitor:

http://www.goodrx.com/lipitor#/?fil...ablet&strength=20mg&quantity=90.0&qty-custom=


$27.45 is the cheapest price for 90 x 20 mg tablets of atorvastatin (generic Lipitor):

http://www.goodrx.com/lipitor#/?fil...ablet&strength=20mg&quantity=90.0&qty-custom=

In all fairness, many generics aren't equal.

Those with a ton of money will keep buying the original formula because some generics don't work right for everyone.
 

DucatiMonster696

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So why doesn't our government put a cap on the price of drugs?

Because price controls are stupid and cause more damage than good in the end. If really you want to see the price of medication drop in the US than the best option would be to allow/require US pharmaceutical companies to not subsidized the price of medication overseas by having US consumers pay higher prices in the states.

Edit: In regards to patents in general I'd agree that they are also part of the problem.
 
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the DRIZZLE

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IMO the US government needs to do more to protect our Pharma companies from unfair trade practices overseas. The US consumer is subsidizing R&D for the rest of the world.
 

unokitty

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I have a simple question, I'm more curious than anything. My 70 year mother has to get an inhaler for her condition. Now she is on Medicare and she also has a good suppliant to go with it. If she buys it here in the good old USA its about $180. But if she buys it from a Canadian pharmacy, the exact same inhaler its $45. And that's not it, I could name at least 80% of her medication is at least 50% cheaper buying from Canada then buying from here. Why is it so much cheaper to buy in Canada then in the USA?

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Amazing what a few hundred million dollars a year can buy. Isn't it?

You might also want to check to see what the lawyer's lobby gives as well...

You want more economical drugs? How much are you spending on lobbyists?

Uno
 

Juddog

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I can't believe the wait times for knee and hip replacement in Canada.......26 weeks. My coworkers that have had either done in the past year has been operated on within 2 weeks after the orthopedic surgeon determined it was necessary.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/heal...+health+care+Canada+report/8509242/story.html

Let's see how long it takes someone without health care to get that replacement - oh wait it's never. 26 weeks subsidized by the government, or pay $1200 a month to get it in 2 weeks - I'll take the 26 week public healthcare option any day of the week.

If you're rich in the US, the healthcare is great; for everybody else is sucks.
 

Mr. Pedantic

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And implement price controls on new on patent drugs and watch the companies that explore these treatments dry up and instead focus on making generics, oh wait can't do that as they are all overeseas now for the most part anyway...

Making new drugs is a long and expensive process, patents at least give companies a window to recoup their costs and turn a profit which they typically reinvest into R&D in the hopes that they come up with something else.

They won't keep making generics. Instead they'll just switch to making nutritional supplements and other complementary and alternative medications, because there is often no discernible effect compared to placebo, even if there were patients wouldn't notice, and the FDA doesn't regulate these drugs with nearly the same rigor as they do actual pharmaceuticals.
 

OverVolt

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Aw ok that is pretty clear. Then I want the state to control the healthcare system...or in other words our market is run by greed and theirs is run be necessity..

When you put into effect price controls, the supply is limited to the point of shortages. Its not $45 dollars, its $45 dollars and a 6month wait to see the doctor to get the script.
 

Fenixgoon

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because drugs sold in the US often subsidize sales/distribution elsewhere.

because in addition to drug research and testing, tons of money is spent in marketing the drug.

because, as previously mentioned, lawsuits/liability and patents