Price fixing and bid rigging now under heavy investigation by the Justice Department

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AUTO PARTS PRICE-FIXING PROBE RATTLES INDUSTRY

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WASHINGTON (AP) — An investigation into price-fixing and bid-rigging in the auto parts industry has mushroomed into the Justice Department's largest criminal antitrust probe ever, and it's not over yet.

The investigation, made public four years ago with FBI raids in the Detroit area, has led to criminal charges against dozens of people and companies, stretched across continents and reverberated through an industry responsible for supplying critical car components.

The collusion has also saddled U.S. drivers with millions of dollars in extra costs.

"It's a very, very safe assumption that U.S. consumers paid more, and sometimes significantly more, for their automobiles as a result of this conspiracy," Brent Snyder, a deputy assistant attorney general in the antitrust division, said in an interview.

So far, 34 individuals have been charged and 27 companies have pleaded guilty or agreed to do so, the Justice Department says. Collectively, they have agreed to pay more than $2.3 billion in fines. New cases have arisen with regularity, with Attorney General Eric Holder promising last September that investigators "would check under every hood and kick every tire."

The most recent development came Thursday, when an executive from a Japanese company was charged with conspiring to fix the prices of heater control panels sold to Toyota and with persuading workers to destroy evidence.

Officials say the investigation stands out not just for its scope but also for the cooperation the authorities have received from Japan, Australia and other countries. Despite the challenges of prosecuting foreign nationals, the Justice Department has won guilty pleas from a series of Japanese executives who opted to get their punishment over with rather than remain under indictment in their home countries and subject to career-crippling travel restrictions.

Though the techniques and strategies sometimes differed, the executives generally carried out the collusion by trading coded emails, meeting at remote locations and destroying documents to avoid paper trails.

With an eye toward eliminating competition and maximizing profits, they exploited an industry that experts say is in some ways vulnerable to collusion: There are a finite number of purchasers and suppliers, there's steady pressure among companies to cut prices — and car parts, unlike certain products that have a great deal of variability — are generally standardized and homogeneous.

"The firms will just make more money if they're able to reach and stick to an agreement to collectively charge higher prices so that customers can't get them to bid against each other," said Spencer Weber Waller, director of the Institute for Antitrust Consumer Studies at the Loyola University Chicago law school. "The problem is, of course, it's a felony in the United States."

The Justice Department first publicly surfaced aspects of the investigation when FBI agents in Detroit raided the offices of Denso Corp, Yazaki North America and Tokai Rika. All three companies have pleaded guilty to their roles in price-fixing and bid-rigging schemes.

Since the raids, the probe has broadened to encompass about $5 billion worth of auto parts, including seat belts, ignition coils, steering wheels, air bags, windshield wipers and rubber parts that dampen vibration.

Similar cartels have formed in industries ranging from oil and gas to cement and vitamins, though there's debate among economists about how long they can last, given the constant incentive for one member to cheat the others and the tendency to collapse under their own weight as they keep growing, said Daniel Crane, a University of Michigan law professor.

But the collusion in these cases, which in some instances lasted more than a decade, was "deftly done," said Joe Wiesenfelder, executive editor of Cars.com, who has followed the auto parts investigation.

"If they get too greedy and they make their prices too high, then someone smells a rat," he said. "When they set their prices and fixed their prices, they had to do it in a way that wasn't obvious and that took into account the entire market, including suppliers that weren't involved."

Wiesenfelder said that while the collusion affected car consumers, it's hard to tell how much the investigation has been noticed by the average driver.

"It's kind of abstract to consumers," he said. "It's not that prices were fixed on cars. That would really hit home."

But there are indications the industry is chastened.

For instance, Bridgestone Corp., a tire and rubber company that pleaded guilty this year, announced that it would strengthen its compliance, discipline employees and withhold a portion of compensation from certain board members and executives.

Meanwhile, the Justice Department says it's looking into additional misconduct in an investigation that bears all the hallmarks of classic antitrust law-breaking.

"This one," Snyder said, "has it all."

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I imagine when it is all said and done, like anything a fine will be issued that will amount to a wrist slap, and no one will go to jail.. nor will anyone be truly punished....sigh
 

dmcowen674

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AUTO PARTS PRICE-FIXING PROBE RATTLES INDUSTRY

WASHINGTON (AP) — An investigation into price-fixing and bid-rigging in the auto parts industry has mushroomed into the Justice Department's largest criminal antitrust probe ever, and it's not over yet.


Since the raids, the probe has broadened to encompass about $5 billion worth of auto parts, including seat belts, ignition coils, steering wheels, air bags, windshield wipers and rubber parts that dampen vibration.

Similar cartels have formed in industries ranging from oil and gas to cement and vitamins

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I imagine when it is all said and done, like anything a fine will be issued that will amount to a wrist slap, and no one will go to jail.. nor will anyone be truly punished....sigh

I suspect that a politician needed a new airbag and couldn't believe it costs $3,000 for a thin piece of plastic.

Will this lower the price? Probably not.
 

waggy

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I imagine when it is all said and done, like anything a fine will be issued that will amount to a wrist slap, and no one will go to jail.. nor will anyone be truly punished....sigh

you are 100% right. nothing will change and they will get a fine taht just goes to the Government and the buyers will still be screwed.
 

DominionSeraph

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This is just the LMSM trying to divert from the Obamacare website launch failure. Why aren't they still talking about that? Because they're always trying to protect the Dems.
 

trenchfoot

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And the way to stop this kind of criminality is to deregulate and let the industry self regulate.....or so most of our illustrious Repub legislators would have us believe. lol
 

michal1980

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And the way to stop this kind of criminality is to deregulate and let the industry self regulate.....or so most of our illustrious Repub legislators would have us believe. lol

We should just put government in control. No corruption there.
 

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I love the faux outrage about this from the same people who probably completely ignored the trillions in theft perpetrated by the big banks.

But yeah, let's focus on auto parts collusion and ignore the obvious collusion rampant in every major industry in this country now.
 

realibrad

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Price fixing and bid rigging is part of self-regulation, is that what you are suggesting?

No, im not suggesting anything. I think you are suggesting that what happened because of self regulation vs external regulation. I am not sure, which is why I asked what you thought it was.
 

Newell Steamer

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No, im not suggesting anything. I think you are suggesting that what happened because of self regulation vs external regulation. I am not sure, which is why I asked what you thought it was.

My original comment was made in mockery.

Businesses and Herp-A-Derps love to spew how government involvement is bad and there is no need for it, since businesses can and will self regulate, so no need for external regulation.

In this story, it proves that businesses can (or rather may) indeed be dishonest and will not ensure the consumers are getting the best price and are not being taken advantage of.

We have the opposite; conditions, that are out of the reach of the consumer, have been manipulated (by a select few) to reap in more money. In a true self regulatory business, the best possible price would be obtained,.. not price fixed and bid rigged,.. which would then yield a lower costing car to the consumer. The prices were purposely bloated - for nothing more than ripping the customers off.

There are examples where self regulation works - and, more power to those businesses who truly care for maintaining a credible and honest practice. But, where they don't, someone needs to step in.
 

Oldgamer

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My original comment was made in mockery.

Businesses and Herp-A-Derps love to spew how government involvement is bad and there is no need for it, since businesses can and will self regulate, so no need for external regulation.

In this story, it proves that businesses can (or rather may) indeed be dishonest and will not ensure the consumers are getting the best price and are not being taken advantage of.

We have the opposite; conditions, that are out of the reach of the consumer, have been manipulated (by a select few) to reap in more money. In a true self regulatory business, the best possible price would be obtained,.. not price fixed and bid rigged,.. which would then yield a lower costing car to the consumer. The prices were purposely bloated - for nothing more than ripping the customers off.

There are examples where self regulation works - and, more power to those businesses who truly care for maintaining a credible and honest practice. But, where they don't, someone needs to step in.


Totally agreed...
 

BoberFett

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In this story, it proves that businesses can (or rather may) indeed be dishonest and will not ensure the consumers are getting the best price and are not being taken advantage of.

Please show me where in the rules companies are responsible for ensuring consumers get the best price.

Do you ensure your employer is getting the best price for your labor? Could you work for less?

In a true self regulatory business, the best possible price would be obtained,.. not price fixed and bid rigged,.. which would then yield a lower costing car to the consumer. The prices were purposely bloated - for nothing more than ripping the customers off.

Ah, so like unions.

There are examples where self regulation works - and, more power to those businesses who truly care for maintaining a credible and honest practice. But, where they don't, someone needs to step in.

So what you're saying is to end unions then, because unions increase the price for labor using dishonesty and price fixing, costing everybody more money.
 
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realibrad

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My original comment was made in mockery.

Businesses and Herp-A-Derps love to spew how government involvement is bad and there is no need for it, since businesses can and will self regulate, so no need for external regulation.

In this story, it proves that businesses can (or rather may) indeed be dishonest and will not ensure the consumers are getting the best price and are not being taken advantage of.

We have the opposite; conditions, that are out of the reach of the consumer, have been manipulated (by a select few) to reap in more money. In a true self regulatory business, the best possible price would be obtained,.. not price fixed and bid rigged,.. which would then yield a lower costing car to the consumer. The prices were purposely bloated - for nothing more than ripping the customers off.

There are examples where self regulation works - and, more power to those businesses who truly care for maintaining a credible and honest practice. But, where they don't, someone needs to step in.

Self regulation is not about being honest. I figured that is where you were going with self regulation. I will be clear, self regulation is not about getting businesses to be honest so they don't do harmful things.

It gets rather complicated, but with a competitive market, self regulation works better than external. Why? In a competitive market, there tends to be multiple firms. Those firms want to keep the market healthy. If 1 firm wants to do something unhealthy, the others would want to stop it. So, when the auto bailouts were being done, and GM needed money, Ford argued they should get it. Why did Ford want GM to live? Because it was in Ford's best interest to keep GM around.

When governments are the only regulation, they tend to break the feed back loop. Businesses want government involved because they want loop holes. If you think that big business wants government out of the economy, then why do the lobby to keep making more laws?

Don't be mistaken, some regulation is necessary. But, any time you see price fixing happen, its usually because that company got backed by the government at some point and have a huge market share. Take the government out of backing firms, and they shrink. Go figure.