Previous Bush PDBs: "Bin Laden planning multiple operations," "Bin Laden network's plans advancing" & "OBL threat real"

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: fjord

Originally posted by: alchemize
OK here's a question to all of the libbies.

We are currently seeing escalated warnings about attacks in the US RIGHT FRICKEN NOW.

These are people already in the US. What do you suggest we do that is not already being done? Cause I know once the next attack hits, the blame bush is going to start flying.

*waits for crickets or diverting comments on Afghanistan/Iraq.

Ok. I'm of the liberal persuasion--so I'll take a swing at this one.

First, I want to see all the intelligence--right now.
Make intelligence public? boy that's a great idea

Next, set-up a databank.
Next, I want to gather a crack group of spatial multivariate analysis experts.
Next crunch all the data through a variety of algorithms.
This will give us exactly what we need--predictive capabilities.
A databank? Of what? Arabs? Muslims? Or just everyone?

I should add that I would positively not choose to attack preemptively and without provocation some country that is totally unrelated to the facts at hand. Only a mad-man (or a mad group) would select such a path.

This would allow the US to focus on the issue at hand (logistically, personnel-wise and economically), and most importantly it would avert the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians.

Well your first idea is just plain stupid, how ironic that it is intelligence you mention
The databank idea probably is already happening, but sure isn't going to be made public. And there are already plenty of libs freaking out about the idea of combining databases.

Thanks for tossing in the diverting Iraq part also. You libs are so predictable.

Next? Oops I guess I missed DealMonkey's

Wal-Mart? Yeah, collateral damage. Who cares? There's still a dozen in a 20-mile radius.

Yes, crashing planes into buildings was unprcedented, however the administration had ample warning that aQ was looking at hijacking. They'd done it before. Response to hijacking threats would be handled virtually the same as the crashing them into buildings threat.

In any event, I could come up with more suggestions. Better intel in the hands of all agencies. Top-down message of open communication in all agencies. Bring us your cases that sound like aQ. What are you agents working on? Photos and descriptions of known terrorists in the hands of beat cops, border agents, and pizza delivery guys. I would wager that everything you just said is being done, at least done as well as can be done in the red tape of the US government. Pull every spare agent in every agency off whatever they're working on and put them on aQ.Hmm, ignore intelligence on every other terrorist group, ignore intelligence on hostile countries, ignore US crime. Great idea!

I would have never diverted resources to Iraq in the first place. We're getting nowhere in the war on aQ in Iraq. Waste of time. Put every soldier on the hunt for aQ and aQ leadership everywhere in the world where they'll let us in. Focus all intel orgs and surveillence activities on aQ.Thanks again for being predictable. OK, we have 500,000 troops in Afghanistan. Ooops, AQ just went into Pakistan/Iran...now what?

Do I need to go on? If you want to bring any kind of substantial suggestion to the table, yet. Otherwise you are just blowing smoke like Fjord is doing. Being a liberal and fighting terrorism just don't go well together. Can't you just admit that?

 

[fjord]

Never did I say make public. You are reading things into my post from your own point of view...

I said:
"First, I want to see all the intelligence--right now."

This is something National Security Advisor Rice NEVER did--that is collect all the disparate intelligence as one package.

<Make intelligence public? boy that's a great idea> Not mine--yours.
<Well your first idea is just plain stupid> Not mine--yours.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: alchemize
In any event, I could come up with more suggestions. Better intel in the hands of all agencies. Top-down message of open communication in all agencies. Bring us your cases that sound like aQ. What are you agents working on? Photos and descriptions of known terrorists in the hands of beat cops, border agents, and pizza delivery guys. I would wager that everything you just said is being done, at least done as well as can be done in the red tape of the US government. Pull every spare agent in every agency off whatever they're working on and put them on aQ.Hmm, ignore intelligence on every other terrorist group, ignore intelligence on hostile countries, ignore US crime. Great idea!

Did you happen to see the word "spare" right before "agent." Yes, I'm sure that means ignore every other terror group and ignore crime. Yup.

I would have never diverted resources to Iraq in the first place. We're getting nowhere in the war on aQ in Iraq. Waste of time. Put every soldier on the hunt for aQ and aQ leadership everywhere in the world where they'll let us in. Focus all intel orgs and surveillence activities on aQ.Thanks again for being predictable. OK, we have 500,000 troops in Afghanistan. Ooops, AQ just went into Pakistan/Iran...now what?

You pressure those countries to either expel the terrorists if we truly know they are there, or work with us to take them out. We've already (kinda) done that in Pakistan.

Do I need to go on? If you want to bring any kind of substantial suggestion to the table, yet. Otherwise you are just blowing smoke like Fjord is doing. Being a liberal and fighting terrorism just don't go well together. Can't you just admit that?

Perhaps you should compile a list of what we're already doing so I can look it over and ensure we're covering all the bases. Part of the problem is the secrecy of the admin and the (understandable) national security issues of putting our strategy on the table. But since you think my ideas are already being handled, you must have some inside info I'm not aware of.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: GrGr
Yes, keep kicking that Great Strawman Clinton. That will make you feel better. Why don't you indicte him with the infanticide of 500,000 thousand Iraqi infants while you are at it? Thank God Clinton isn't in office anymore.

acually clinton is not a "strawman" the WTC was first attacked in 1993 only six killed thank God, but over 1000 wounded. this was 11 years ago, so what exactly was bush supposed to do in 8 months that clinton and the dems did not do in 7 years? is expecting bush to do in 8 months what clinton could not do in 7 tears recognition that he is that much better of a president? it would seem so...

dems also cannot explain to stop a specific attack without knowing when ,where, or how it would occur because all warning were general in nature...so what methodolgy should have been used? everyone agrees there was no specific info..so with what to stpo this attack?

i have not had a dem answer this question yet, just the same old "change the subject fast" routine that is a dem mainstay. i think most know there was no way to stop this specific attack, but dems apparantly with good conscience can use the blood of 911 for their political purpose in such a manner while trying to lambaste bush for using a few seconds of video...

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Ldir
Meanwhile back on the ranch, Dubya was asleep at the wheel dreaming of Star Wars and Iraqi oil. Asscroft made terrorism a low priority. He was focused on the naked statues threat. Cheney was busy with his charity work, giving energy and environment hand-outs to greedy ..um.. Needy cronies.

This information might have come forward if they shook the trees.

Meanwhile - Dick Clark was persuing his own agenda of securing America fron Cyber Threats, what he believed to be the next big attack on the US.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: alchemize
OK here's a question to all of the libbies.

We are currently seeing escalated warnings about attacks in the US RIGHT FRICKEN NOW.

These are people already in the US. What do you suggest we do that is not already being done? Cause I know once the next attack hits, the blame bush is going to start flying.

*waits for crickets or diverting comments on Afghanistan/Iraq.

I'm not a "libbie," but I'm guessing I can comment on a few things.

We don't have all of the information. We don't know what is going on now, what the government is doing, or the reports they are recieving. So this is just an academic exercise at best. Don't get so worked up kid.

Getting the INS to do their jobs would be a great start.

How about some security for public transportation? Last time I checked, Washington DC metros, trains, and buses had absolutely *NO* security measures in place.

That would be a great start. Maybe using some of the spy tactics the government wants. Tap all phones.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Ldir
Meanwhile back on the ranch, Dubya was asleep at the wheel dreaming of Star Wars and Iraqi oil. Asscroft made terrorism a low priority. He was focused on the naked statues threat. Cheney was busy with his charity work, giving energy and environment hand-outs to greedy ..um.. Needy cronies.

This information might have come forward if they shook the trees.

Meanwhile - Dick Clark was persuing his own agenda of securing America fron Cyber Threats, what he believed to be the next big attack on the US.

This is a joke right? Our cyber infrastructure is as bad as it was before.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: Ldir
Meanwhile back on the ranch, Dubya was asleep at the wheel dreaming of Star Wars and Iraqi oil. Asscroft made terrorism a low priority. He was focused on the naked statues threat. Cheney was busy with his charity work, giving energy and environment hand-outs to greedy ..um.. Needy cronies.

This information might have come forward if they shook the trees.

Meanwhile, back in the Oval Office, Slick Willy is jamming cigars up interns' crotches and telling lies under oath (just prior, he sent a few million dollars of Tomahawks into Afghanistan to deprive the Afghans of aspirin just as he's about to be charged with high crimes and misdemeanors) all the while our embassies are being attacked by Osama Bin Laden, our U.S.S. Cole is being attacked by Osama Bin Laden, and the buildings which house our troops in Saudi Arabia are being attacked...by Osama Bin Laden...what did the August PDB state again? Bin Laden wants to attack America. Say it isn't so. Clearly, the cost of inaction was greater than the cost of action.


[edit] listed the U.S.S. Cole as an aircraft carrier...thanks, sir.

This is a very effective diversion from the original subject.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Ldir
Meanwhile back on the ranch, Dubya was asleep at the wheel dreaming of Star Wars and Iraqi oil. Asscroft made terrorism a low priority. He was focused on the naked statues threat. Cheney was busy with his charity work, giving energy and environment hand-outs to greedy ..um.. Needy cronies.

This information might have come forward if they shook the trees.

Meanwhile - Dick Clark was persuing his own agenda of securing America fron Cyber Threats, what he believed to be the next big attack on the US.

This is a joke right? Our cyber infrastructure is as bad as it was before.

Sorry, i should have put "trying to " before securing - honestly, he did believe that the next great attack on the US would come in the form of hackers on the internet.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Ldir
Meanwhile back on the ranch, Dubya was asleep at the wheel dreaming of Star Wars and Iraqi oil. Asscroft made terrorism a low priority. He was focused on the naked statues threat. Cheney was busy with his charity work, giving energy and environment hand-outs to greedy ..um.. Needy cronies.

This information might have come forward if they shook the trees.

Meanwhile - Dick Clark was persuing his own agenda of securing America fron Cyber Threats, what he believed to be the next big attack on the US.

This is a joke right? Our cyber infrastructure is as bad as it was before.

Sorry, i should have put "trying to " before securing - honestly, he did believe that the next great attack on the US would come in the form of hackers on the internet.

I can agree with that.

The internet could be much more secure than it is, if people cared.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The chimp is sitting on his hands while North Korea, Syria, and Iran work overtime to find a way to destroy us. Where the hell are the preemptive strikes. What's the matter with that gutless dolt? Any moron can pick low hanging fruit. Bush is all talk and no action. He is a complete disaster.

Sure, and as soon as Bush strikes those countries, you and your little spotted-owl loving friends will all jump into your little Primus thingy cars and drive to Washington to protest...NO WAR FOR SUSHI!....no thanks, sir.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The chimp is sitting on his hands while North Korea, Syria, and Iran work overtime to find a way to destroy us. Where the hell are the preemptive strikes. What's the matter with that gutless dolt? Any moron can pick low hanging fruit. Bush is all talk and no action. He is a complete disaster.

Sure, and as soon as Bush strikes those countries, you and your little spotted-owl loving friends will all jump into your little Primus thingy cars and drive to Washington to protest...NO WAR FOR SUSHI!....no thanks, sir.

No thanks what? You think Bush should allow them other countries to develope nuclear weapons just cause he's scared I'm gonna protest. Jesus, what a panzy. You and him are both gutless cowards.