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Preventing suicide is cruel and unusual punishment

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ShawnD1

Lifer
I was doing my usual morning ritual of asphyxiating myself with a belt while jacking off, and I realized that preventing suicide in prison is actually a very cruel thing to do.

Don't think about it from the prisoner's perspective. Think of it from your own perspective. How bad would your life need to slip before suicide is an option? That's not something people randomly do. It's usually an alternative to pain and suffering. That's true in a prison setting as well. A prisoner won't kill himself unless that is a logical solution to a problem (prison rape, prison violence). By putting people on "suicide watch" and preventing suicide, doesn't that imply that prisoners are forced to continue being beaten and raped? Constitution, where art thou?
 
We should prevent suicide in prison because prisoners do not have a right to dictate when they die. The state does. And if the state does not condemn them to death, they only receive their right to die the moment they are released completely (and not just on parole).

That's my view, anyhow.
 
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if people want to kill themselves, so be it. who are we to go against their wishes.

and it's not like they're going to change their minds when the issue pops into their heads again.
 
XX55XX said:
We should prevent suicide in prison because prisoners do not have a right to dictate when they die. The state does.
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Sounds like more Big Government to me. As if the government wasn't big enough already.


Yes. Run of the mill burglars should be raped multiple times by race gangs so that they come out as murderers. That'll fix em.
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The movie Blow had an interesting take on this
"I went in with a bachelor of marijuana and I came out with a PhD in cocaine"
He was arrested for selling marijuana but his exposure to hard core drug dealers changed his view a little.
 
I have no problem with suicide. If someone wants to end their life who am i to stop them. Sure if its a close friend/family member it will hurt finding out and thinking maybe you could have done somethign to prevent it. But in the end if that persons only relief was suicide then they really had a messed up painful life.
 
soulcougher73 said:
I have no problem with suicide. If someone wants to end their life who am i to stop them. Sure if its a close friend/family member it will hurt finding out and thinking maybe you could have done somethign to prevent it. But in the end if that persons only relief was suicide then they really had a messed up painful life.
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The issue is was there a potential way out to recover. Were they put into a situation where they felt there was o way out?
 
XX55XX said:
We should prevent suicide in prison because prisoners do not have a right to dictate when they die. The state does. And if the state does not condemn them to death, they only receive their right to die the moment they are released completely (and not just on parole).

That's my view, anyhow.
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Slippery slope.
 
It is sort of like giving some one a blood transfusion so you can torture them for longer when you put it that way. Imagine if they're in there for life with no possibility of parole. You're getting raped all the time and at best you can hope a bomb blows a hole in the prison so you can escape. That's all you have to look forward too, pretty unlikely to happen. No one is going to stop the rape because as we all know "people in prison deserve it". But you can't even kill yourself because they keep stopping you. You have to stay alive so you can continue to suffer at the tax payers (pretty great) expense. That sounds like a nightmare to me.
 
It's true that if I was out to make someone as miserable as possible, I'd have to prevent them from escaping through suicide.

It's also true that prisoners do not have the right to do stuff they normally would. We can surely forbid suicide (and enforce that to the best of our ability) in prison just like we forbid other acts.

The most important thing here is that if suicide in prison was considered OK and no measures were taken against it, it would become much easier for guards and/or other prisoners to kill prisoners and dress it up as suicide. That is why we definitely should not OK suicide for prisoners. I'd make an exception for people who provably have a late-stage terminal disease and are suffering.
 
If someone wants to commit suicide so badly, the prison should have that as an option.

People complain that in order to sustain a prison population, there is a great cost involved (the equivalent of a full salary for some people, per prisoner, per year). The prisons are crowded and overpopulated as it is, so suicide really is a humane approach.

Really they should offer a quick and painless suicide option, e.g. pumping a mask full of inert gas, to the prisoners, but this country is too ass-backwards to think of something like that. Most likely it's banned because of the nagging religionists in this country that think suicide is a sin.
 
EagleKeeper said:
The issue is was there a potential way out to recover. Were they put into a situation where they felt there was o way out?
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This is actually a good point. The best alternative would be just to segregate the prison population that likes to rape inmates from the majority. Rape vs suicide isn't really a fun choice. Still, that choice is better than none.
 
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