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Originally posted by: josh6079
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I edited the "insult" because theres no need for that here, Josh. I dont mind you and in fact find you to be possibly openminded. You arent in the ackmed/creig/apoppin category for ATI fans in my book. No need for name calling like a certain special nobody in this thread..

but my point to you is that this is indeed a market. A business... and I find business interesting and fun as I do gaming at 8xS/16X, or checking out quadSLI benches.
I have absolutely no relation to Nvidia, nor have I ever accepted any gifts from them, nor do I own any tech stocks. I merely find their product and their support for that product to be exceptional over the years.. playing my favorite games (currently HOMM5, Civ4, CSS) with NV has been great since my move from 3dfx to NV in the ~Geforce2 era. I appreciate great product, and it creates customer loyalty throughout the years.. thats what happens when a company does a good job, as much as this enrages you and leaves you in dismay. 😉 Yes I did own ATI in/around/prior to GF2 and in the FX years I had none of that.
Your hollywood movie references I'm going to ignore. Thats just nonsense.
 
Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Crusader - stop the trolling please. You have successfully attracted ALOT of people to turn this thread into a flame fest.
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Not sure what you are talking about.. most of us here, including Josh and I are holding fine conversations on the subject that I created.
Theres one or two dingleberries calling me slurs.. but I'm not bothered nor will I respond. So I guess I'm the problem? Get real.
Also, anyones free to not read the thread or post here. But Im enjoying your input and a few others. Some people think because a thread exists they MUST click and torment themselves to the point of anger and extreme frustration.
Thats really sad. If you dont want to speculate.. dont read the thread, dont post in the thread.. dont speculate.

Pretty difficult. :roll:
 
i thought amd did not have the cash to buy out ati outright.
wasn't this more of a stock buying thing.

besides why would ati stop making gpus. make no sence.
maybe ati and amds close parternershipp could allow gpu's to function more like cpus (like the whole ati general gpu idea but works better). wouldn't that be great.
 
Originally posted by: Crusader
Originally posted by: josh6079
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I edited the "insult" because theres no need for that here, Josh. I dont mind you and in fact find you to be possibly openminded. You arent in the ackmed/creig/apoppin category for ATI fans in my book. No need for name calling like a certain special nobody in this thread..

but my point to you is that this is indeed a market. A business... and I find business interesting and fun as I do gaming at 8xS/16X, or checking out quadSLI benches.
I have absolutely no relation to Nvidia, nor have I ever accepted any gifts from them, nor do I own any tech stocks. I merely find their product and their support for that product to be exceptional over the years.. playing my favorite games (currently HOMM5, Civ4, CSS) with NV has been great since my move from 3dfx to NV in the ~Geforce2 era. I appreciate great product, and it creates customer loyalty throughout the years.. thats what happens when a company does a good job, as much as this enrages you and leaves you in dismay. 😉 Yes I did own ATI in/around/prior to GF2 and in the FX years I had none of that.
Your hollywood movie references I'm going to ignore. Thats just nonsense.
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If that is your reasoning for your loyalty to Nvidia, don't you think others feel the same way about ATI? Don't you think that others are just as happy with what ATI has brought them just as you are happy with what Nvidia brought you? Making comments to provoke those supposedly biased people isn't exactly a good start to having an open-minded discussion like you seem to want. I agree with you on the consumer loyalty extenuating over a period of time if a company continues to deliver. But it is the fact that some people felt like a certain company didn't deliver when they wanted them to that shifts buying decisions. I can't honestly tell you that I haven't looked at stock prices and corporate assest from both sides, they've been presented to these forums numerous times and I think that just about everyone has seen some shred of them out of curiousity.

I understand how you enjoy a company and are glad to see how they are not being merged with another. That's your boat to float and I'm not going to tell you how to sail it. I just feel that you've been a little overbearing with your own pride in your company to the point where you begin to exert in on others who may not desire what you do. It's like a heavy Christian constantly nagging you on if you have faith or not why you should go to church. In the end, everything is left up to free choice. Seeing those free choices become a little more limited is disturbing for some.
 
Upon further reflection, I don't think AMD personally gives a toss about ATi and their graphics technology (or its potential for chipset integration). What they are really after IMO is the technology sharing agreement between ATi & Intel. The rest is just an unexpected (and burdensome) bonus.
 
Originally posted by: tanishalfelven
i thought amd did not have the cash to buy out ati outright.
wasn't this more of a stock buying thing.

besides why would ati stop making gpus. make no sence.
maybe ati and amds close parternershipp could allow gpu's to function more like cpus (like the whole ati general gpu idea but works better). wouldn't that be great.
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The Inq article stated that they took out a 2.5 bill loan to buy ATi.
 
Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
It's a done deal. Offical.
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On the contrary. It is a done offer, with the pre-approval of ATI's board. Now it is up to owners and regulators to decide.
 
"AMD's press release indicates that ATI will, for now, act as a division of AMD. In the event the takeover falls through, ATI must pay AMD a termination fee of $162M to cover AMD's initial investments and lendings."

So it hasn't been done yet?? It probably will happen though.

Haha, Crusader went post-crazy....16 posts ALREADY in this thread...like a life-long dream has come true and had a huge orgasm because of it.

Edit: It sounds like ATI will be still left to make GPUs...so maybe customers won't be screwed over.(from the webcast)
 
Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Upon further reflection, I don't think AMD personally gives a toss about ATi and their graphics technology (or its potential for chipset integration). What they are really after IMO is the technology sharing agreement between ATi & Intel. The rest is just an unexpected (and burdensome) bonus.
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i think Hector Ruiz has some plans for some good combination products. AMD just bought some decent experience in designing integrated chipsets and they can use this to make some big advances rather than relying on other companies. ATI also makes a lot of products for consumer electronics and this gives AMD a way into that market.

and with all the multi-core nonsense going around, this opens the way for things like CPU, video and chipset in one package for things like the next generation of blade servers.
 
I don't care if they say AMD or ATI on them, but graphics cards better keep coming out of Canada as they have done for years, and if not then S3 or someone better get into the enthusiast market soon because I won't be price-gouged under an Nvidia monopoly.
 
Well, you certainly won't be buying any more ATi branded cards once the deal goes through...

AMD_ATI_Fact_Sheet

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You have to wonder if this is what Orton meant by his "Who blinks first?" remark concerning the pace of graphics development and the desire of companies to step up to the plate a while back. I think we know the answer now...
 
Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Well, you certainly won't be buying any more ATi branded cards once the deal goes through...

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Exactly.. based by this, I say high end GPU's are of lowest priority in the future:

This transaction breaks new ground for both companies and is expected to provide increased customer benefits in four key technology areas:



Commercial Clients
As a combined company, AMD and ATI will develop commercial platforms that deliver simplicity, stability, and manageability in graphics-rich and mobile environments.


Mobile Computing
As a combined company, AMD and ATI will advance mobile computing by delivering integrated platforms that are designed to extend battery life while optimizing graphics and media processing.

Consumer Digital Media
As a combined company, AMD and ATI will empower users to create and experience rich, immersive digital entertainment across multiple consumer devices, including PCs, handhelds, and digital televisions.

High-Growth Markets
As a combined company, AMD and ATI will deliver highly-integrated, low-cost, power-efficient solutions to meet the expanding demands of billions of new users in emerging markets.

 
Well, this sure is a good time to sell Ati stock. Maybe time to buy Nv stock? Anyway, have any of you guys been involved in a buyout? Because I have, and these things can take more than a year to fully integrate the two companies and their products. So, it's still likely that the r580+ and the r600 will make it to production. Ater that, I dunno, they might just be limited to integrated gpu's to compete with Intel's.
 
ATI as a brand will be around for a while yet - AMD simply can't rebrand every card out there. It'll take many (at least 3) years for AMD to begin rebranding ATI cards as AMD.
 
Just realized this will likely give intel fits in the laptop/notebook market too given ATi's strength in that sector 😀
 
Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Just realized this will likely give intel fits in the laptop/notebook market too given ATi's strength in that sector 😀
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Very good point.
Theres so many benefits to this deal.

I'm happy for AMD as the CPU sector has needed some real competition for a long time. The NV thing will sort itself out. Likely as stated previously, GPUs will simply slow down after WGF2.0 cards are out.
It had to happen sometime, and Intel having a truley serious competitor has been a far longer time coming. AMD is clearly not playing around with smart moves like this.

It would be exciting to see AMD cut Intel off from Crossfire and SLI. People here are right, Intel doesnt really care for Nvidia.. but they might learn to, real fast 😉
NV is in a win/win situation. Theres no need for NV/AMD to aquire one another, but its possible someday a merger could happen.
With AMD controlling what ATI puts out now, and AMD having huge sway with "technology partner" Nvidia.. they virtually control all truley capable GPU providers.

This is the day that everything has changed..
Congratulations to Nvidia and long live the New AMD! :beer:
 
Originally posted by: Avalon
So no more R&D going into add-on graphics for ATI?
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Probably not, as that R&D will now be spent competing with Intel. However this merger will take time and the R600 is probably done or close to it. This will not affect the video card market until 2008 or later. Basically don't expect a R700. Until then it should be business as usual for at least the next year or two.


Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Just realized this will likely give intel fits in the laptop/notebook market too given ATi's strength in that sector
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Bingo! From everything I have read this is why AMD wanted ATI. Not just laptops but all mobile and integrated platforms.
 
Too bad XGI didn't sell off their graphics division. They could have stepped up and been the market leader by '08 just like they projected 😉
 
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
so is PC gaming going to die? i thought it was still a fairly profitable market with MMORPG's like WOW and stuff?
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Unless nVidia begins to manufacture it's own CPUs its conceivable that someone like Microsoft will buy them out and use their engineers in-house to produce future iterations of it's Xbox console and now it's handheld solutions. Basically I see the PC as becoming an even more general purpose media center with some gaming abilities but high end gaming will be limited to consoles only in the future. I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it...the writing on the wall for the death of PC gaming has been there for sometime...
 
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it...the writing on the wall for the death of PC gaming has been there for sometime...
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Of course we are not even seeing good DirectX 9.0C (SM 3.0) games yet and with DirectX 10 (SM4) cards coming, the hardware is years ahead of the software.

ATI and NVIDIA were worth about the same, however MS has sooooooo much extra cash to throw around that they could buy NVIDIA with the money in Bill Gates couch cushions.

(Wish I had money to buy nV stock 🙁 )


 
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