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Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
What im trying to say is, AMD has both ATi and NV under their wings. Both ATi and NV produce better chipsets than intel in terms of features. Not to mention IGPs from both firms are much better than intel's current solution.

But im sure R600 is still going to be released along with R570/560.
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Yup. Now with AMD taking over ATI.. theres alot of solidarity versus Intel.

NV can stop focusing on ATI obviously, as they no longer will exist, and work with AMD on technologies for their products.

At the same time, NV will be peddling NForces for Intel products. As long as Intel doenst cut off Nvidias license to sell boards for Conroe, NV is in a really good (read: profitable) spot.

You are very right on AMD continuing the meat grinder against Intel.. their biggest issue forever has been quantity.
Dell has claimed many times that even if they wanted to use AMD, they couldnt provide the quantity necessary.

AMD will continue to work on that capability, enhance their CPU market..
not start trying to fight Nvidia (who was beating ATI anyway) and trying to beat Intel (good luck with that one). All resources possible will be used to take on Intel directly.
Even if they do that, they could go under.

Its absurd to assume they want to alienate Nvidia at this point when they need every bit of scratch they can get to boost their product.

NV working with the new AMD is going to be VERY interesting to say the least.
 
Crusader, this thread could have been postponed until we actually "heard" or "read" said announcement from AMD. And why the heck are you so happy? Do you want to pay through the nose for an Nvidia GPU? They are expensive enough already. Without ATI, say goodbye to competitive pricing. Anyway, I'm even getting ahead of myself. Wait for the actual corporate announcement. If AMD does buy ATI, sure, it's good for AMD (I think) but it's really going to suck for gamers.
 
IF ati could continue operating semi independently then maybe this would be good. But from the little i've read about this it looks all bad. I'm also hoping this whole thing falls through...


On the other hand, maybe this is a fundamental shift in direction in the computer market. AMD might develop entire platforms based on GPU's plugging directly into chipsets as coprocessors with AMD cpu's. VIditor mentioned this ina thread in the cpu forum. Imagine a multi socket amd platform with say a quad core general purpose CPU with 1 or 2 gpu's plugged directly into the socket with maybe an ATI based physics processor thrown in too. Me no like change though, hyper competition between ati and nvidia has produced staggering increases in performance. I hope r600 isn't ati's parting shot.


STill i utterly hate this deal. GOd willing it will crash and burn. Maybe i am too pessimistic but this may take amd and ATI down at the same time, eliminating competition in both fields!


 
Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
It would be really sad if SLi NOR Crossfire worked on intel boards. Not to mention that ATi will stop making chipsets for intel, and im sure about Nvidia working more closely with AMD.

Core2 Duo looks less exciting.. Maybe this is the reason of the ATi/AMD merger. A real nasty trick up AMD's sleeve.
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You are definitely onto something.

AMD is making a smart move indeed. A64 holding Crossfire/SLI exclusively?
That'd be bad for C2D, regardless of speed. All NV has to do is make SLI more attractive by stop creating things like the GX2.. and boom, all the serious gamers will be buying AM2 equipment.

Even Dell might have to carry AMD AM2 parts if that were the case. Or forgo a major part of the performance market when HP/Compaq machines offer double the performance in games.

Pretty tough for Dell to compete with that :disgust:
 
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Crusader, this thread could have been postponed until we actually "heard" or "read" said announcement from AMD. And why the heck are you so happy? Do you want to pay through the nose for an Nvidia GPU? They are expensive enough already. Without ATI, say goodbye to competitive pricing. Anyway, I'm even getting ahead of myself. Wait for the actual corporate announcement. If AMD does buy ATI, sure, it's good for AMD (I think) but it's really going to suck for gamers.
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Well I for one think the GPU market was bound to slow down sooner or later anyway.
That time to slow down might appropriately be now?

I'm not THAT happy. I mean if someones going to go down, I'd rather it be ATI instead of Nvidia.

But I'm thinking bigger.
This silly high end GPU market is squat. These corporations are going after the big ducks like Intels market.

Not this piddly X1900XTX vs 7900GTX stuff. The numbers moved arent even comparable and the money involved isnt even remotely close to what Intel mingles with.
If it were, trust me, Intel would be releasing Intel Extreme Discrete years ago.

I can semi-understand that the gamer might "benefit" (?) from buying a $500 GPU every 6 months.. but I dont know if that can continue, or if thats a great thing for sure, or not.
And whose to say that the high end graphic wars are over? I'm not, I'm simply saying ATI is over as we knew it.

The market and world is far bigger and more grand than this Geforce/Radeon mumbo jumbo. I know its a shock to everyones system because its the way things have been..
 
According to techreport:

AMD 'significant corporate announcement' coming
by Scott Wasson - 08:33 pm, July 23, 2006

AMD is advising members of the media that it will be making a "significant corporate announcement" at 8AM Eastern time tomorrow morning. Stay tuned to TR for the news as it unfolds.


AMD and ATi merging happening?
 
Time for PowerVR or S3 to step it up.🙂

I think it's a good move for AMD as they can now better position themselves in the mainstream market but it's potentially really bad for enthusiasts. Nvidia probably isn't too thrilled either until they get more info.

AMD + ATi IP + Torrenza = definite potential for enthusiasts. For example it would be interesting if say, former ATi engineers re-focused on physics processing while Nvidia provided the graphics muscle. Still, having only nvidia as the sole enthusiast graphics provider doesn't sit to well...........
 
Originally posted by: Crusader

Its nice NV won this war.
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And what would make you say something as dumb as that? If you like higher GPU prices, and less graphics advancement, then fine. But I don't. I think this stinks.

*Edit*
This is assuming that this means ATI will no longer focus on the high end graphics sector, and convert to integrated only solutions.
 
Originally posted by: Avalon
Originally posted by: Crusader

Its nice NV won this war.
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And what would make you say something as dumb as that? If you like higher GPU prices, and less graphics advancement, then fine. But I don't. I think this stinks.
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You clearly have not read my other posts on the matter. Or even the entirety of that one. Pick one sentence, take it out of context and run with it.. flame on! :roll:
Seriously read the rest of my posts.. I wont be responding to this sort of cut n paste diversion again, just wanted to make the point.
 
Well this could be good and bad.

Good: ATi might be able to build chips faster, therefore allowing more time for invation and better features in the drivers, included features, and so on and such forth. Also there would be better ATi chipsets over the AMD boards. This could benefit the AM2 owners, but it might not be such a great thing for the C2D waiters.

Bad: Most likly, the GPU's would become more expensive from ATi, letting nVidia get an edge on the budget gamers. Also there would be a stand-still in GPU technology if AMD reduced the amount of money going into the R&D. This would be a horrible thing for us because they would just keep releasing the same chip with the same features over and over again for years and years.

If this deal goes through, we may have some difficult times ahead of us... 🙁
 
Besides, things change. Maybe the CPU market will start going crazy again. No more Intel dominance and we'll start seeing things get shaken up like AMD did with the Athlon lineup? And like Intels reponse with C2D?

Maybe we'll get a processor that does graphics + physics + general functions all in one from the new AMD + NV? Maybe Intel will do that?
Maybe the next version of Cell (which was supposed to be able to do all that originally) will go against AMD and Intels new creation?

Who knows?
But with how we do things here in America- This is capitalism, where there is money, markets and competition thrive. Theres PLENTY of corps capable of going head to head with Nvidia in the high end GPU market if they so desire. So you ATI fanboys scared to death you'll be using high quality Nvidia product soon can relax..

I'm sure some 2nd rate brand will be out there again soon, even if AMD shuts down R600 (which they wont)..

With ATIs expertise, maybe AMD could prob design a Cell-styled processor that actually works as its supposed to, something that actually CAN accelerate graphics/physics.

Between that, and if Cookie and myself are correct on AM2 exlusive for SLI/Crossfire.. you have yourself a really good situation for AMD.
Toss in if reverse HT is true for AMD.. I'd say its Intel that might be outfoxed.
 
Or Crusader AMD will use nVidia for the time being until it absorbs ATi fully and then in a generation or two toss nVidia out on it's ass? Once it has more fabs up and running it will have all the resources it needs for graphics, chipsets, physics processors etc. and will have next to no use for nVidia or it's SLi. Intel already doesn't care for nVidia so that puts nVidia in a terrible position. Maybe you shouldn't count all your chickens before they've hatched..anyway I'll be LMAO@you if that happens in a few years and bump this post to remind you.
 
Originally posted by: Crusader
Originally posted by: Avalon
Originally posted by: Crusader

Its nice NV won this war.
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And what would make you say something as dumb as that? If you like higher GPU prices, and less graphics advancement, then fine. But I don't. I think this stinks.
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You clearly have not read my other posts on the matter. Or even the entirety of that one. Pick one sentence, take it out of context and run with it.. flame on! :roll:
Seriously read the rest of my posts.. I wont be responding to this sort of cut n paste diversion again, just wanted to make the point.
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I did read all of your posts in their entirety in this thread. You are getting ahead of yourself, assuming this, and assuming that, and your posts radiate with excitement over the thought of NV winning what you call a "war". I just think you're acting silly, and am entitled to my opinion. We'll see what happens as time rolls on. Not trying to flame, and I've got nothing to divert.
 
blah not going to feed the 5150 troll.. dont want to make it grow.
but talk about assuming things.. the only loser here is ATI my boy.
PS. I'm already laughing my ass off TODAY that you, ackmed, creig and companys "awesome" company went down like the hindenburg.

ATI could have found R600 very difficult to create and make fast, as per David Kirks comments on how difficult true unified hardware is to work.
G80 can do unified + use the old method for DX9 and older games. R600 will have to do the divvying up of that load balancing within the drivers.
You dont know, but thats a tremendous R&D effort.. something ATI might not have been so successful at yet.. hence them approving pulling the plug.
 
Crusader this is absurd, you are running around declaring nVidia's superiority as if they are some great messiah that just vanquished the oppressive Canadian Satan ATI. I know you're little brain is addled by nVidia loving nonsense but atleast try and be sensible.
 
Originally posted by: Crusader
As long as Intel doenst cut off Nvidias license to sell boards for Conroe, NV is in a really good (read: profitable) spot.
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And how is that different than ATI being bought out by AMD? If that is the way you see it then the fact that Nvidia's own future is now dependent on what Intel wants to do with them makes them actually worse off than ATI since AMD already has a GPU company under the belt and if Intel cuts them off then they'll have nowhere to turn. yeah, it's a good time to lean green....
 
Originally posted by: josh6079
Originally posted by: Crusader
As long as Intel doenst cut off Nvidias license to sell boards for Conroe, NV is in a really good (read: profitable) spot.
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And how is that different than ATI being bought out by AMD? If that is the way you see it then the fact that Nvidia's own future is now dependent on what Intel wants to do with them makes them actually worse off than ATI since AMD already has a GPU company under the belt and if Intel cuts them off then they'll have nowhere to turn. yeah, it's a good time to lean green....
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I should clarify, if Intel doenst cut off the license that Nvidia waited so long to get to create NF for Intel.. then NV is in an awesome position.

If they do cut it off.. they are still in a very good position.
Why wont Intel cut off NV, even though they'll continue to aid AMD greatly?



They wont want that scenario Cookie and I described.
Imagine, SLI/Crossfire on AM2 only? Not good for Dell relations, or for Intel sales really.
Like I said, all NV has to do is manipulate its product purposefully so that SLI looks like the only way to go. Easy to do with no true ATI to compete.
Then AMD has it in the bag.

Intel will be buddying up to Nvidia so closely, they wont want to lose the NF5 SLI boards.

AMD gained huge out of this buyout.. and so did Nvida.
Lil NV might actually have Intel by the balls until they create their own high end GPUs.

Basically, AMD will NOT be licensing Crossfire to Intel in the future. And NV holds all the cards, they can either continue to cater to AMD + Intel as they are today... which is good for them of course and Intel..
or they can license SLI to Intel. AMD doesnt want that, Intel will prob want to pay dearly for it.

I'm willing to guess from the close partnership of Huang and Ruiz that great profit could be had by both AMD + NV if they execute this correctly.
No matter WHAT goes down, NV comes out great for some time to come.
Great time to Lean Green? You better bet your boots. You'd also better bet your first-born that Huang/Ruiz are looking at the big picture here.
Not attempting to continue your petty Radeon series. :disgust:

I applaud AMD for this excellent move. Conroe can kick as much booty as it wants. AMD convinces NV to pull NF5 from Intel.. then tweak their product so SLI is the only way to go.. NV will STILL profit massively, and you have a major advantage for AMD that would take Intel YEARS to figure out a solution for.
I dont really want to be rude to you josh, as I find you fairly sensible to the point that I almost like you sometimes.. But you need to start thinking like a businessman, instead of a fanboy. I work in the corporate world, in a corporation far larger than the puny ATI and NV corporations (or both combined). This situation for NV/AMD is one dreams are made of..
 
Originally posted by: Crusader
Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
It would be really sad if SLi NOR Crossfire worked on intel boards. Not to mention that ATi will stop making chipsets for intel, and im sure about Nvidia working more closely with AMD.
Core2 Duo looks less exciting.. Maybe this is the reason of the ATi/AMD merger. A real nasty trick up AMD's sleeve.
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You are definitely onto something.

AMD is making a smart move indeed. A64 holding Crossfire/SLI exclusively?
That'd be bad for C2D, regardless of speed. All NV has to do is make SLI more attractive by stop creating things like the GX2.. and boom, all the serious gamers will be buying AM2 equipment.

Even Dell might have to carry AMD AM2 parts if that were the case. Or forgo a major part of the performance market when HP/Compaq machines offer double the performance in games.

Pretty tough for Dell to compete with that :disgust:
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You idiot.......
#1 ATI has a whole new chipset just about all ready for C2D Intel chips.
#2 nVIDIA has a new chipset almost done for C2D chips.
 
Originally posted by: Crusader
I should clarify, if Intel doenst cut off the license that Nvidia waited so long to get to create NF for Intel.. then NV is in an awesome position.

If they do cut it off.. they are still in a very good position.
Why wont Intel cut off NV, even though they'll continue to aid AMD greatly?

They wont want that scenario Cookie and I described.
Imagine, SLI/Crossfire on AM2 only? Not good for Dell relations, or for Intel sales really.
Like I said, all NV has to do is manipulate its product purposefully so that SLI looks like the only way to go. Easy to do with no true ATI to compete.
Then AMD has it in the bag.

Intel will be buddying up to Nvidia so closely, they wont want to lose the NF5 SLI boards.

AMD gained huge out of this buyout.. and so did Nvida.
Lil NV might actually have Intel by the balls until they create their own high end GPUs.

Basically, AMD will NOT be licensing Crossfire to Intel in the future. And NV holds all the cards, they can either continue to cater to AMD + Intel as they are today... which is good for them of course and Intel..
or they can license SLI to Intel. AMD doesnt want that, Intel will prob want to pay dearly for it.

I'm willing to guess from the close partnership of Huang and Ruiz that great profit could be had by both AMD + NV if they execute this correctly.
No matter WHAT goes down, NV comes out great for some time to come.
Great time to Lean Green? You better bet your boots. You'd also better bet your first-born that Huang/Ruiz are looking at the big picture here.
Not attempting to continue your petty Radeon series. :disgust:

I applaud AMD for this excellent move. Conroe can kick as much booty as it wants. AMD convinces NV to pull NF5 from Intel.. then tweak their product so SLI is the only way to go.. NV will STILL profit massively, and you have a major advantage for AMD that would take Intel YEARS to figure out a solution for.
I dont really want to be rude to you josh, as I find you fairly sensible to the point that I almost like you sometimes.. But you need to start thinking like a businessman, instead of a fanboy. I work in the corporate world, in a corporation far larger than the puny ATI and NV corporations (or both combined). This situation for NV/AMD is one dreams are made of..
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I've got my alarm set for 5:00 A.M. PT this morning so that I can listen in. Do you?

I suggest you stop all this STUPID speculating and wait a measly 5-6 hours to find out what is really happening. I suggest that you stop counting you chickens before the eggs have hatched.......
...........no wait that doesn't do your idiocy justice......
I suggest that you stop counting you chickens before the eggs have even been layed.
 
Your flaming and slurs calling me all those names doesnt do you any good or justice. But you are wrong in your replies. I'm not gracing you with the reasons as to why though as you are a very angry, sad human being to express such anger over a internet forum.
You may not like it, but people have the right to speculate. This isnt your forum, and you are a nobody to call people names and pretend you can have your way, boy.
Besides, its far better conversation than you have to offer you flaming troll.
 
Crusader you forget nVidia already has an AM2 chipset ready and available on a relatively wide selection of motherboards, AMD can't do a thing about that even if they wanted to. nVidia can continue to provide chipsets for AM2 atleast until the next AMD CPU (and possibly beyond if future CPUs are going to be backwards compatible). This merger could put nVidia in a very tough place, they either support a direct competitor by providing AMD chipsets or they lose a significant portion of their consumer base.
 
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A deal would also put competitive pressure on Nvidia Corp., the other dominant maker of graphics chips. Santa Clara-based Nvidia has competed against Intel in selling chipsets and graphics chips while counting on AMD for sales of those products.
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Originally posted by: Crusader
You'd also better bet your first-born that Huang/Ruiz are looking at the big picture here.
Not attempting to continue your petty Radeon series.:roll:...I dont really want to be rude to you josh, as I find you fairly sensible to the point that I almost like you sometimes.. But you need to start thinking like a businessman, instead of a fanboy. I work in the corporate world, in a corporation far larger than the puny ATI and NV corporations (or both combined). This situation for NV/AMD is one dreams are made of..
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Did you edit that insult in there after you thought about it for a while? I'm surprised you haven't rode up on Huang's green card yet, cause he's not american 😉 Besides, its not "my" Radeon series anyway--I don't own ATI/AMD ("DAMIT" to Wreckage's credit) stock.

I need to stop acting like a fanboy when I am an honest consumer who appeals as well as expects to see good products? It's nice that you work in the corporate world--that's called adulthood, give yourself a pat on the back and if you want to see yourself in a movie, pop in "In Good Company" and there is a character who goes around yelling, "Teddy K.!! Teddy K.!!" and you've found your equal.

Others who aren't as obsessed with stock or coporate assets and have a world outside Nvidias profits, AMD's profits, ATI's profits, or Intel's profits are still going to simply buy what we feel is best for our needs. If Nvidia is the only company that would still be doing that in a few years then I wouldn't have a problem with buying from them. I don't need to act like a businessman when it comes to my hobby. Why do you? They're computer games, not my income.

Instead of getting wrapped up in the fanboy curtain like so many others, why can't you indeed take a professional approach to it, and see that an honest consumer doesn't care about a company's profit yeilds and merges. An honest consumer cares about what a service can provide for them and the fact that you're exstatic about a business deal that might limit the amount of provided services (products) is either idiotic or triggered by a relationship of some kind to Nvidia. Try not to confuse fanboism with a buyer's common sense.

EDIT: Labeled the second quote as Crusader's.
 
Originally posted by: fierydemise
Crusader you forget nVidia already has an AM2 chipset ready and available on a relatively wide selection of motherboards, AMD can't do a thing about that even if they wanted to. nVidia can continue to provide chipsets for AM2 atleast until the next AMD CPU (and possibly beyond if future CPUs are going to be backwards compatible). This merger could put nVidia in a very tough place, they either support a direct competitor by providing AMD chipsets or they lose a significant portion of their consumer base.
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Thats what I'm saying.. NV has no interest in cutting off AMD.
NV could cut off either group, or be cut off from either group.. but they wont be cut off from BOTH.
From observing the market, AMD could use their support for quite some time, and so could Intel. No ones going to be dumping Nvidia.

Too much to be gained if AMD persuades Nvidia to cut off Intels only multiGPU solution once the existing Crossfire agreement runs out. I dont know the details to that 975 agreement. Maybe it could be voided with the aquisition. Who knows?

Either way, eventually (and it wouldnt take long nor be hard for NV or AMD) to cut off ALL multiGPU chipsets from Intel.
Want to make existing cards not work on 975? Tweak Crossfire so it wont with R600. Problem solved.

Theres plenty of ways out. Heck, I'm sure if Intel would allow it.. existing ATI C2D chipsets will still sell! Who knows what Intel thinks is in their best interest, but I'm sure they want multiGPU support for as long as possible.

Bottom line is that it wont be hard for an AMD/NV coalition to put MAJOR hurt on Intel.
As stated previously, Conroe can be as fast as it wants.. when it comes to gaming.. ATI and NV holds all the cards.
With AMD pwning ATI, you only need to convince longtime ally AMD ally Nvidia. Prob not a bad situation to get yourself into for Ruiz 😉

This is quite the sweep kick from AMD, indeed.
 
Once again, im hesitant to think AMD will kill their relationship with NV. Even with ATi's chipsets, the nforce line is much more favored among AMD users. Performance is one thing but features is another. NV currently dominates both in the chipset competition compared to ATi which normally resorts into 3rd party chips.

I do not know what crusader is saying, but AMD will defitnately use AMD/ATi merger and good relations with NV to battle intel. Intel is severly isolated due to them cutting of ATi chipsets in their roadmaps/IGP deal and also having bad relations with NV.

Firing Squad suspects Crossfire might also become AM2 exclusive technology due to the result of this merger.

But lets just wait for the OFFICAL news of whats really going to happen.

Crusader - stop the trolling please. You have successfully attracted ALOT of people to turn this thread into a flame fest.
 
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