So I was chatting with a coworker about the ranking of the US Presidents so I did a Wikipedia search and there was a list with all the presidents and their average ranking (by historians and political scientists). HERE is the link. One thing I found interesting under the notable achievements was the things the listed as George W Bush's achievements seem like quite the opposite. Any thoughts?
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Presidental Rankings
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miketheidiot
Lifer
the view of clinton changed after 9/11? 😕
Easy. That's the age his daddy helped him avoid the draft by getting him into the Air National Guard. After that, all he had to do was duck out on his obligations and responsibilities.
George W. Bush:
Born: July 6, 1946
Air National Guard pledge, 1968 (age 22):
That was just a practice run in preparation for ducking out on all future oaths, obligations and responsiblities, including and especially this one:
miketheidiot
Lifer
can you name something bush has down to make us "safer?" I don't know about you, but I look around and I feel mighty unsafe, and thats before i even look outside our government and our citizenry.
Terrorist attacks are over hyped, I rather encounter terrorist attacks on a daily basis then have to my freedom taken away. There are countries that experience terrorist attacks, genocide, mass rape every day yet the world doesnt blink (ex. Iraq, most of Africa, Israel, Afghanistan, etc.) We as Americans are so ignorant a lot of the time and the majority of us have the view that we are more valuable humans then others in the world... In the end everyone dies at some point in time so there is no difference. Everyone should be treated equally around the world nationalism and religion has caused so many pointless wars.
Whoozyerdaddy
Lifer
If you scroll down you'll see that of the 12 sources used to derive the scores, Dubya's score was only derived from two. One of those was a WSJ poll and the other was from 2002 when Dub was still riding the wave of popularity from 9/11.
Barring a miracle in Iraq and a mysterious, unexplained vanishing of the deficit, his score will drop over time.
How about the the right to freedom from unwarranted domestic spying under the Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution:
It doesn't stop there. Bush called the Constitution, "just a goddamned piece of paper"
Alberto Gonzales, while still White House counsel, wrote that the "Constitution is an outdated document."
Through his various "signing statements," Bush has diminshed the rights of all Americans by holding himself above, apart and immune from the legitimate laws passed by our legal represenatives in Congress, even as he signed them into law.
This is NOT a fscking monarchy. I will not bow down to King George the Bushwhacko! :thumbsdown: :| :thumbsdown:
I really question if we are safer. Granted, we haven't had a terrorist attack on US soil, but how many terrorists have we bread in Iraq that will be knocking on our door when we do withdraw? We will leave a mess in Iraq for the same reasons we lost the war in Vietnam. You can't fight people's hearts and minds. And you can't fight an enemy that has no real infrastructure, at least not with a conventional army.
That's a strange definition of "safer". There were no internal US terrorist attacks from foreign jihadists between the first and second world trade center bombings. So, that was about eight years between internal attacks before, only one of which took place during Clinton's time in office. So in a sense the American population was pretty much "safe" anyway.
If you are talking about American interests outside the US, then you are talking about embassies and military targets, these are exactly the same types of targets that the insurgents in Iraq are going after, and which have always been targets. I fail to see how having an attack on a US embassy or military installation outside of Iraq every 1-2 years is somehow 'less safe' to America then having dozens, hundreds, thousands of attacks on similar American personnel and interests inside Iraq.
So, in conclusion:
Numbers of attacks on US soil by foreign jihadists during
Clinton's term: 1
Bush's term: 1
Numbers of attacks on US interests abroad (no, I really dont think that Yemen is functionally different then Iraq) during
Clinton's term: 4 or so? (USS Cole, embassy bombings, etc.)
Bush's term : 10,000,000#@$KJNOHJESUSWAYTOOMANY@:#L$J@):
Doesn't seem a load safer to me.
Oh, and you want to have a list of things I can't do now that I could do before? How about "not be wiretapped without a warrant". How about be guaranteed rights to that "Habeas Corpus" thing? (who knew that you could declare American citizens 'enemy combatants' too and strip them of that right!?! Wheeeee!) If you don't think those things either directly affect you through your rights as a citizen, or indirectly affect you in terms of the health of our constitution and the rule of law, then you are doing both yourself and your fellow citizens a grave disservice.
ProfJohn
Lifer
Harvey, specifically how does that effect the way you live your life?
Have you or anyone you know been spied on?
And BTW the laws that allow us to do the domestic spying have been around since the 1970s!!!! The national intelligence court (or whatever it?s called) was created by Jimmy Carter.
Have you or anyone you know been spied on?
And BTW the laws that allow us to do the domestic spying have been around since the 1970s!!!! The national intelligence court (or whatever it?s called) was created by Jimmy Carter.
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