I'll add to that they be required to get in the *BACK* of the line and pay *ALL* of the fees and (hopefully) penalties. That reminds me... My wife and I have a big $$ fee coming up in about a month to go from a 2 year green card to a 10 year.
I'll add to that they be required to get in the *BACK* of the line and pay *ALL* of the fees and (hopefully) penalties. That reminds me... My wife and I have a big $$ fee coming up in about a month to go from a 2 year green card to a 10 year.
blackangst1
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Its not just the fee...its the administrative review too
We had to sit in 3 reviews over the course of a month. After that you have citizenship to look forward to, should you two decide to go that route.He won't do that. Too many Hispanic supporters. If he does that he loses their vote. Considering the guy will just about say anything to get support from everyone, I'll be surprised if an "immigration bill" does anything about all the illegals suckling off the system.
Don't try to trap me Vic. We're both smarter than that and I know you've read The Constitution. You're trying to group me with hardcore libertarians which I am not, and you most likely know that.
blackangst1
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Vic
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I don't think you're even remotely a libertarian, spidey.
And -- aside from an item prohibiting Congress from outlawing the importation of slaves until after 1808 -- there's absolutely nothing in the Constitution against or even about immigration. Quite the opposite, the Founding Fathers were counting on it with borders wide open.
Correct. As long as they became citizens. Nobody AFAIK has a problem with immigration and we all welcome it, it's the illegal part that they have a problem with.
But we have an invasion going on.
The constitution was meant to be a living document and evolve.
Early on we needed immigration to thrive.
Now it could cause us to nose dive.
Originally posted by: spidey07
spidey doesn't care about brown peoples.
Well, you are in high ranking company.
:Q
Chaotic42
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Maybe you don't see it as a problem, but many of us do. Not that Mexicans (or brown people as you lovingly refer to them) are bad, but that we can no longer be the dumping ground for every poor soul in the world, especially if they refuse to try and adapt to our culture.
Listen, I live in the horrible, evil, racist south and the main complaint I hear about the Mexicans pouring over the border is that on the whole they refuse to try and adapt. Also, the vocal minority of them who feel that they're entitled to be here and that we should adapt to their culture isn't doing them any favors.
Mexicans need to either fix their country and stay there or try and adapt to our country (obviously they will bring their own bits of culture over which is part of the greatness of America) and call themselves Americans.
Otherwise lets just get boats and ship the whole damned world over here. They can all have America and we'll all move to an empty Cancun. :beer:
Sales Tax - Services Rendered + Benefit to Employer - Detriment to Citizen (those who could of had that job) + Filling of unfilled/unfillable positions - % in Prison - Housing Inflation - Government Housing + Labor to construct housing
Still equals a net negative in most cases.
First
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People who continue to say illegals take jobs away from Americans continue to ignore that the only jobs they're taking are unskilled labor jobs Americans don't take in significant numbers in the first place. Americans have the added benefit of being able to attain higher education, something illegals cannot, and so being unable to compete with the illegals taking low skilled jobs says something about those Americans, and it ain't pretty.
Besides, the amount illegals likely spend on sales tax alone drawfs anything they take in social services or gov't housing. Easily. State tax in CA is near 9.75% now or something. Multiply that by the 5M+ illegals and you get many billions, and many hundreds of millions or maybe billions more in savings from small businesses that hire illegals below minimum wages (which I don't condone, but it's a reality).
Not sure what you mean by housing inflation; illegals can't afford houses and the ones they can afford aren't causing anywhere near significant asset inflation. Additionally, price inflation, as in the assets themselves, is a good thing, that's the whole point of investing, to raise your ROI. If you invested in a house in CA in 1979 your return is anywhere from 5-6 times that value depending on where you bought. And that's despite the current housing meltdown.
xj0hnx
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Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Sigh...I took the bait. Don't feed the trollsgrumblegrumble... I should know better by now. C is for
Anyway, I hope Obama and the Dems can get through an immigration reform bill. It is about time. The system has been failing since the early Reagan era and even before. We need a path to citizenship for those who are willing to pay their dues. We need to make English proficiency part of the process (and include more ESL training for those in the process). The quota system needs to be revised as well. Too few slots are available to meet demand, and the process is too long and drawn out (beurocratically speaking). We also need to get tougher for those who refuse to abide by US immigration law. If enough slots are available and the process streamlined, I would have no sympathy for those who refuse to go through the process. We should treat them like Mexico treats its own illegal immigrants from south of their boarder (within our own constitutional protections, of course).
There already is a system in place, and it's NOT that hard to do, much easier to not do it since they don't want to be Americans anyway.
nobodyknows
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We have a whole world full of people clamoring to get into this country. Why should the people of this country allow Mexicans to flow over our border in record numbers and then reward them with amnesty/citizenship?
We are keeping a much better class of people in line and waiting to immigrate here while we allow uneducated people who can't speak our language and in many cases don't even want to learn it.
This should be a no-brainer issue really. The problem is people like you are only concerned with having some cheap ass labor to do your dirty work.
exar333
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Maybe they can sneak the majority of the UHC bill (assuming it doesn't pass) into this and see if anyone notices?
Seriously though, this is the only large bill Obama has proposed that I agree with. I may not agree 100% with what it will have, but the discussion is NEEDED badly. We need to define a immigration policy and stick with it. The way we are going is obviously not working.
Seriously though, this is the only large bill Obama has proposed that I agree with. I may not agree 100% with what it will have, but the discussion is NEEDED badly. We need to define a immigration policy and stick with it. The way we are going is obviously not working.
xj0hnx
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The problem isn't that there's no discourse, the problem is that there already are laws, and process that are being ignored by both illegals, and the government. There is already a system in place for immigrants to become legal citizens, or resident aliens, and get work visas.
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