President Obama 2012 State of The union Address

[Exterous]

Turn it into a drinking game. One shot each time he says "um" or "uh".

Lightweights! You have to drink every time they clap for the duration of the clapping! (Seriously - the clapping is out of control regardless of R or D giving the speech)

 

[the DRIZZLE]

Let's spend another 7 pages arguing about the definition of socialism. I'm not getting involved in a debate over the definition because it's been beaten to death but Obama's view on economic policy was quite clear from the speech.

He believes in an extremely active role for the government to incentivize or disincentivize various business practices. He doesn't seem to have even considered the fact government policies have a major cause of some of the problems like the cost of higher education. He doesn't favor the reduce loopholes and reduce rates simplification of the tax code favored by many on both sides here. He doesn't favor cutting the corporate tax rate and raising the capital gains rate also favored by many here. His answer to literally every perceived or real problem is a new regulation, program, tax cut, or subsidy.

I'm for more government where it makes sense, and less where it makes sense. Obama seems to only think in one direction.

 

[fskimospy]

You are wrong. There are various degrees of soicalism. Obama is far more soicalist then america is. He's ideas are far to the left of the middle. He's just a few levels below advocating community ownership of production. He is however advocate goverment direction/control over various industries. And sees goverment as the means to a fairer society.

All of which are socialist ideas, and means to an end.

Ahhh, so as long as you invent your own definition of socialism, Obama is a socialist. I am glad to see that you've come to the understanding that socialism is a continuum however. (and even under your own made up definition you are reduced to saying "I SWEAR HE'S SOMEWHERE CLOSE" though)

You're desperately clinging to a wrong definition of a word because you think labeling him that way is an advantageous thing to do. It's absolute silliness. Criticize his individual policies if you want, tell us why you think they are bad ideas, don't try this OMGSOCIALISM crap, it's juvenile.

 

[airdata]

problem w\ iraq is that our troops left, sure. We also left behind a huge mess + giant embassy and thousands of "contractors".

 

[irishScott]

problem w\ iraq is that our troops left, sure. We also left behind a huge mess + giant embassy and thousands of "contractors".

I still prefer no troops in Iraq. Means less wasted money overall.

 

[airdata]

I still prefer no troops in Iraq. Means less wasted money overall.

Who do you think pays the " contractors " ? Some of those "contractors" make 100k+ which is much more than an average US military grunt.

 

[OutHouse]

same speech as the past 3 years.

the rich are not being taxed enough this is why we are in this mess
more government
more spending
"to be fair." (god im sick of hearing that, we are not in kindergarten)
more excuses and blame

our country is broke period, we can not tax our way out of debt especially when we are 15 TRILLION and continue to spend more than we take in.


enough with the bullshit speeches and enough with the over the top applause at every pause in the speech or fart. good god that shit is beyond annoying. both sides do this and it needs to stop. it reminds me of scared minions showing fake enthusiasm to a dictator so they dont get thrown in prison for not supporting the dear leader.

 

[OutHouse]

all you asshats debating what socialism is should get vacations for derailing this thread and not talking about what the thread is about.

 

[irishScott]

Who do you think pays the " contractors " ? Some of those "contractors" make 100k+ which is much more than an average US military grunt.

I said "less" wasted money, not "no" wasted money. Contractors alone is still a helluvalot cheaper than Contractors + 100k boots on the ground.

 

[irishScott]

all you asshats debating what socialism is should get vacations for derailing this thread and not talking about what the thread is about.

There's a debate? Last I checked it was michael1980 making an idiot of himself and the rest of us laughing.

 

[spidey07]

Compare Obama's "I, me, look what I did" campaign speech with President Bush in 2004, also an election year. 2004 sounds like a leader.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=29646#axzz1kU1RuHyL

In the last 3 years, adversity has also revealed the fundamental strengths of the American economy. We have come through recession and terrorist attack and corporate scandals and the uncertainties of war. And because you acted to stimulate our economy with tax relief, this economy is strong and growing stronger.

You have doubled the child tax credit from 500 to $1,000, reduced the marriage penalty, begun to phase out the death tax, reduced taxes on capital gains and stock dividends, cut taxes on small businesses, and you have lowered taxes for every American who pays income taxes.

 

[fskimospy]

same speech as the past 3 years.

the rich are not being taxed enough this is why we are in this mess
more government
more spending
"to be fair." (god im sick of hearing that, we are not in kindergarten)
more excuses and blame

our country is broke period, we can not tax our way out of debt especially when we are 15 TRILLION and continue to spend more than we take in.


enough with the bullshit speeches and enough with the over the top applause at every pause in the speech or fart. good god that shit is beyond annoying. both sides do this and it needs to stop. it reminds me of scared minions showing fake enthusiasm to a dictator so they dont get thrown in prison for not supporting the dear leader.

FYI as Europe is proving so well right now, we can't cut our way out of this deficit either. As said so many times, we should be ramping up deficit spending now to encourage growth while coming up with a long term plan to control medicare spending, the primary driver of our debt going forward.

 

[jackstar7]

When were those good ol' days you want to return to? Be specific, folks.

 

[spidey07]

FYI as Europe is proving so well right now, we can't cut our way out of this deficit either. As said so many times, we should be ramping up deficit spending now to encourage growth while coming up with a long term plan to control medicare spending, the primary driver of our debt going forward.

Socialism fails. See Europe.

 

[fskimospy]

Socialism fails. See Europe.

Non sequitur as usual from Spidey.

I hope you're ready to lose another couple thousand come November. I can already feel the desperation coming from you.

 

[spidey07]

Non sequitur as usual from Spidey.

I hope you're ready to lose another couple thousand come November. I can already feel the desperation coming from you.

You aren't paying attention or are completely disconnected with reality. Did you not watch the desperation speech from Obama last night pandering to conservative views held by independents? He's done.

 

[irishScott]

You aren't paying attention or are completely disconnected with reality. Did you not watch the desperation speech from Obama last night pandering to conservative views held by independents? He's done.

Well let's consider this shall we?

1. Obama will get liberal votes.
2. Obama will get most center-left votes.
3. Obama will get effectively no Conservative votes.

So that leaves the moderate-Conservatives as the swing faction. How exactly is Obama going after the critical faction imply that he's "done"?

 

[OutHouse]

jackstar i dont understand what your chart is telling me. is it saying that in 1952 the rich had a income tax rate of 92%??

 

[feralkid]

our country is broke period, we can not tax our way out of debt especially when we are 15 TRILLION and continue to spend more than we take in.

Someone here never heard of the Bush tax cuts.

Try to put things in perspective; like, "Where DID all the money go"?

It's not "blame"...it's basic economics.

Look at the numbers, for a factual, non-emotional outlook on our current situation and you could avoid pitching a thrombo next time.


Best wishes.



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[nageov3t]

they were talking about his Housing Plan on Morning Joe today...

could someone explain the justification to me?

I'm a renter. I'm renting an apartment because I can't afford to buy a house and I'm responsible enough not to take out loans for something I can't afford... so why should my tax dollars be used for keeping people in homes that they can't afford?

how about they foreclose, housing prices go down, and responsible buyers like me can finally afford to buy?

 

[Blackjack200]

they were talking about his Housing Plan on Morning Joe today...

could someone explain the justification to me?

What's the plan?

 

[Ausm]

It doesn't matter who is President, you can play buzz word/phrase bingo for all their speeches. There are people who poll select groups on buzz words/phrases and the ones that get the best reviews are used by the speech writers. It's all about getting people to bite on the buzz words/phrases.

Like WMD's?

 

[fskimospy]

You aren't paying attention or are completely disconnected with reality. Did you not watch the desperation speech from Obama last night pandering to conservative views held by independents? He's done.

If you repeat it enough times you might even be able to convince yourself. You're screwed and you know it. The only thing you can hope for is another economic catastrophe between now and election day, and that's a mighty sad thing to have to pin your hopes on.

 

[nageov3t]

What's the plan?

The White House plans to propose legislation that could allow a few million homeowners to reduce monthly mortgage payments by refinancing their current loans into new ones guaranteed by the Federal Housing Administration.

The program would broaden the availability of government-backed mortgages to include many borrowers whose loans are held by private companies and who have been unable to persuade those lenders to reduce their interest rates.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/25/u...uld-broaden-government-backed-loans.html?_r=1

 

[jackstar7]

jackstar i dont understand what your chart is telling me. is it saying that in 1952 the rich had a income tax rate of 92%??

That is exactly what it is telling you.

And somehow they were still rich.

I understand it is hard to even imagine Bill Gates having only $5 billion and still being called rich...