President goes 'Green'

[boomerang]

President Goes ‘Green’ — Recycles Yesterday’s Budget Speech From his 2011 Budget Speech

This gave me a laugh. Why would you do this - recycle your speeches?

Are they so poignant and on point as to deserve to be heard again? Are they still fully relevant because nothing has changed? Are they so perfect in their writing that altering them would be blasphemous? Is it gross incompetence? Have they run out of words?

These aren't stump speeches on the campaign trail, these are major adresses to the nation.

Not much description is needed here; the headline pretty much says it all.

“Obama’s budget speech yesterday recycled the exact same scare tactics he used last year,” the RNC’s YouTube page reads:

In fact, this isn’t even the first time the RNC has caught the president doing this. You may recall a similar video from January that showed side-by-side comparisons of the president’s 2011 and 2012 State of the Union addresses:

“If you thought the 2012 State of the Union was very similar to President Obama’s past State of the Union speeches, you were right, the RNC YouTube page states.

Huh. Maybe that Danish TV host was right: maybe the copy key is stuck on the president‘s speechwriter’s keyboard.”

Click link to view videos.

 

[fskimospy]

Who gives a shit? Seriously.

 

[Bowfinger]

Who gives a shit? Seriously.

Must be a slow outrage day at Fox.

 

[dphantom]

Who cares? Just a lack of intellectual ability anyone who bothered to look under the sheets would have known.

 

[IBMer]

Kind of like the GOP's plan to make the economy better just being the same policies from the last 30 years? Of course cutting taxes from corporations that currently have record levels of cash or the rich which currently have record levels of the income is the answer. Only problem is just how much money do they need to have before they start hiring?

 

[monovillage]

I thought you meant he was screwing Kermit.

 

[Vic Vega]

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[fskimospy]

Anyone with a brain.

Well then please use your brain and tell us why we should care.

 

[Vic Vega]

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[fskimospy]

I've read your posts. You're a complete partisan hack who has no desire to learn or understand anything. It's blatantly obvious you take your talking points from MSNBC. You have no ability to think neutrally at all, and think any criticism of the President is an attack by some right wing red neck. No, I do owe you a reason. I find your entitlement nature humorous as it even extends to how you converse on these forums. You are plainly, a joke, and not to be taken seriously in any way. It is my hope that at some point you decide to enlighten yourself and strive to actually understand events, why they occur and why we should care about them but I honestly don't see this happening. You're a blind, ignorant lemming and it appears content to stay that way. +1.

lol. I'll take that as an 'I don't have a reason'.

Nice meltdown though! It says a lot more about you than it does about me.

 

[werepossum]

Well, it's been over a thousand days since the Senate bothered to produce a budget and they've killed every House budget they've received, why not recycle the same budget speeches?

Fail is always current.

 

[fskimospy]

Well, it's been over a thousand days since the Senate bothered to produce a budget and they've killed every House budget they've received, why not recycle the same budget speeches?

Fail is always current.

You know that 'passing a budget' doesn't really matter too much, right? When they are talking about passing the budget, it's a nonbinding resolution that both houses pass which isn't actually a law, it's more of a statement saying 'this is generally what we're going to do'.

Now I would agree that it's always nice to have a blueprint of what the chamber intends to do, but these budgets rarely coincide very closely with the spending bills that are actually passed so it's hard to care too much.

 

[IBMer]

I've read your posts. You're a complete partisan hack who has no desire to learn or understand anything. It's blatantly obvious you take your talking points from MSNBC. You have no ability to think neutrally at all, and think any criticism of the President is an attack by some right wing red neck. No, I do not owe you a reason. I find your entitlement nature humorous as it even extends to how you converse on these forums. You are plainly, a joke, and not to be taken seriously in any way. It is my hope that at some point you decide to enlighten yourself and strive to actually understand events, why they occur and why we should care about them but I honestly don't see this happening. You're a blind, ignorant lemming and it appears content to stay that way. +1.

I find it funny that you choose to go off the deep end on eskimospy like this, when people like IGBT and Spidey are on this board and clearly show they are Kool-Aid drinkers and completely unable to make any attempt at a coherent argument.
Much like what he already said, it shows way more about you, than your comments say about eskimospy.

 

[xBiffx]

I find it funny that you choose to go off the deep end on eskimospy like this, when people like IGBT and Spidey are on this board and clearly show they are Kool-Aid drinkers and completely unable to make any attempt at a coherent argument.
Much like what he already said, it shows way more about you, than your comments say about eskimospy.

Nice job diverting and calling out two members in the process. Nice job indeed.

 

[rudder]

You know that 'passing a budget' doesn't really matter too much, right? When they are talking about passing the budget, it's a nonbinding resolution that both houses pass which isn't actually a law, it's more of a statement saying 'this is generally what we're going to do'.

Now I would agree that it's always nice to have a blueprint of what the chamber intends to do, but these budgets rarely coincide very closely with the spending bills that are actually passed so it's hard to care too much.

Hmm yeh the budget is not really important. There is no need to determine tax rates or what the U.S. can and needs to borrow to function. I guess it is better to just keep hobbling along and not worry about spending priorities. I mean we can't have any leadership going into an election in November. That would be silly.

 

[fskimospy]

Hmm yeh the budget is not really important. There is no need to determine tax rates or what the U.S. can and needs to borrow to function. I guess it is better to just keep hobbling along and not worry about spending priorities. I mean we can't have any leadership going into an election in November. That would be silly.

I don't think you read what I wrote. The budget does not determine tax rates. The budget does not determine what the US can borrow to function. It is a nonbinding document. It's not a law. The actual tax rates, spending, etc. for the United States comes from appropriations bills and other such laws. Those are extremely important.

I certainly agree that the US should have longer term fiscal planning as opposed to what we're doing now, but we should all be clear on exactly what is meant when we talk about a budget in this sense.

 

[werepossum]

You know that 'passing a budget' doesn't really matter too much, right? When they are talking about passing the budget, it's a nonbinding resolution that both houses pass which isn't actually a law, it's more of a statement saying 'this is generally what we're going to do'.

Now I would agree that it's always nice to have a blueprint of what the chamber intends to do, but these budgets rarely coincide very closely with the spending bills that are actually passed so it's hard to care too much.

I guess that's just another thing proggies have taught us after two hundred years of ignorance. Budget? Nah, that's just a bunch of hot air we've been doing for two hundred years; now that you have enlightened leadership like Harry Reid we can stop wasting time with that.

 

[fskimospy]

I guess that's just another thing proggies have taught us after two hundred years of ignorance. Budget? Nah, that's just a bunch of hot air we've been doing for two hundred years; now that you have enlightened leadership like Harry Reid we can stop wasting time with that.

I'm not sure what you're talking about, or what it has to do with progressivism. (that part is particularly baffling) And yes, those budget documents are frequently nothing more than hot air as they are so often totally disregarded in the actual appropriations process.

Can you explain to me exactly what you think those budget documents do?

 

[hal2kilo]

President Goes ‘Green’ — Recycles Yesterday’s Budget Speech From his 2011 Budget Speech

This gave me a laugh. Why would you do this - recycle your speeches?

Are they so poignant and on point as to deserve to be heard again? Are they still fully relevant because nothing has changed? Are they so perfect in their writing that altering them would be blasphemous? Is it gross incompetence? Have they run out of words?

These aren't stump speeches on the campaign trail, these are major adresses to the nation.



Click link to view videos.

Why not when you are commenting on the same budget that was proposed and rejected before.

 

[rudder]

I don't think you read what I wrote. The budget does not determine tax rates. The budget does not determine what the US can borrow to function. It is a nonbinding document. It's not a law. The actual tax rates, spending, etc. for the United States comes from appropriations bills and other such laws. Those are extremely important.
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Appropriation bills are in a budget. Otherwise you have to pass temporary resolutions to get funding to pay the bills. How would you get the governments borrowing and spending under control without a budget being passed? A super committee perhaps that would find ways to make cuts?

But that is all from me. You will never be convinced of the importance of the government passing a budget. A passed budget does bind congress whether you want to believe it or not and gives congress some authority if the president does not adhere to the budget resolution. So how is obama going to claim he "fixed" the economy when there has been no federal budget for over 1000 days?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=984D1_q24W0

Maybe if a budget were passed the voting public would realize obama and the democrats are not really working toward spending cuts.

 

[fskimospy]

Appropriation bills are in a budget. Otherwise you have to pass temporary resolutions to get funding to pay the bills. How would you get the governments borrowing and spending under control without a budget being passed? A super committee perhaps that would find ways to make cuts?

But that is all from me. You will never be convinced of the importance of the government passing a budget. A passed budget does bind congress whether you want to believe it or not and gives congress some authority if the president does not adhere to the budget resolution. So how is obama going to claim he "fixed" the economy when there has been no federal budget for over 1000 days?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=984D1_q24W0

Maybe if a budget were passed the voting public would realize obama and the democrats are not really working toward spending cuts.

Appropriations bills are most certainly not in a 'budget', at least not the one that we are referring to when we say the Senate hasn't passed one in a really long time. To say otherwise is simply incorrect.

A passed budget resolution does not actually bind Congress in any way, shape, or form. It is not a law. In practice the budgets that are passed tend to provide input to the various committees about where their boundaries lie, but this is once again effectively nonbinding. Either chamber can vote to change these limits by the exact same vote total as it takes to approve an appropriations bill anyway, making it pretty obvious how little they matter.

As I have mentioned countless times on here, I am not worried about spending and borrowing levels at this time. I have in fact argued for much higher spending levels than we have now. Regardless of my position on this however, what is certain is that federal spending will not be reigned in by impotent budget resolutions. Ever.

 

[hal2kilo]

Appropriations bills are most certainly not in a 'budget', at least not the one that we are referring to when we say the Senate hasn't passed one in a really long time. To say otherwise is simply incorrect.

A passed budget resolution does not actually bind Congress in any way, shape, or form. It is not a law. In practice the budgets that are passed tend to provide input to the various committees about where their boundaries lie, but this is once again effectively nonbinding. Either chamber can vote to change these limits by the exact same vote total as it takes to approve an appropriations bill anyway, making it pretty obvious how little they matter.

As I have mentioned countless times on here, I am not worried about spending and borrowing levels at this time. I have in fact argued for much higher spending levels than we have now. Regardless of my position on this however, what is certain is that federal spending will not be reigned in by impotent budget resolutions. Ever.

On a factual note, the joke is that the Ryan budget plan doesn't balance the budget at all, unless you believe that removing the magic loopholes will hit their target of 2040.

 

[Moonbeam]

It should be clear to those who recognize the link between ego and self hate, that the party of received truth, the conservatives, are going to lack originality, (read sock puppet, Kool-Aid drinkers here) and their whole focus is going to be not on 'creating' new means to progress equality for all but on conserving the privileges provided to them by their accidental accumulation of wealth, and because creativity in the general vernacular is not a concept they have yet managed turned into a trait possessed only by the devil but still a positive to posses, they naturally hate themselves for its absences in them. This unconscious recognition of something they lack and their contempt for themselves because they don't have it creates the phenomenon we called envy, and no self hating conservative would be caught dead consciously becoming aware of that because the received truth from the Bible does say that envy is evil. So, having envy in spades and forbidding that recognition, conservatives full of self hate go on the hunt to find in the other out there a target onto which they can dump their self hate. And because they have already created this evil other out there, the President of, oh let's say, Mecca, all this unconscious energy created by envy, causes them to scan every thing he says for a lack of originality so they can dump all the dirt they feel in themselves, on him.

 

[monovillage]

Are you writing this guys speeches? Australian Green Party leader.

Fellow Earthians,

Never before has the Universe unfolded such a flower as our collective human intelligence, so far as we know.

Nor has such a one-and-only brilliance in the Universe stood at the brink of extinction, so far as we know.

We people of the Earth exist because our potential was there in the Big Bang, 13.7 billion years ago, as the Universe exploded into being.

So far, it seems like we are the lone thinkers in this vast, expanding Universe.

However, recent astronomy tells us that there are trillions of other planets circling Sunlike stars in the immensity of the Universe, millions of them friendly to life. So why has no one from elsewhere in the Cosmos contacted us?

Surely some people-like animals have evolved elsewhere. Surely we are not, in this crowded reality of countless other similar planets, the only thinking beings to have turned up. Most unlikely! So why isn't life out there contacting us? Why aren't the intergalactic phones ringing?

Here is one sobering possibility for our isolation: maybe life has often evolved to intelligence on other planets with biospheres and every time that intelligence, when it became able to alter its environment, did so with catastrophic consequences. Maybe we have had many predecessors in the Cosmos but all have brought about their own downfall.

That's why they are not communicating with Earth. They have extincted themselves. They have come and gone. And now it's our turn.

Whatever has happened in other worlds, here we are on Earth altering this bountiful biosphere, which has nurtured us from newt to Newton.

http://greensmps.org.au/content/news-stories/bob-brown-delivers-3rd-annual-green-oration

 

[ky54]

Nothing new in this. The left in this country has been saying the exact same thing every year since Reagan was president. It shows more the ignorance of the American populace that continually falls for the same scare tactics year after year. I don't blame the left for doing it because it works.