President Bush increases his lead over Sen. John Kerry

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: smashp
Stop Accusing Kerry Of Being a Flip flop wehn ALL politicians Do it. Hell our current President Has flip floped off of so many of Campaign Promises its sickening. Remember him outlining what is needed for us Troop involvement? ALL politicians Flip flop. All politicians Are corupt. Your Blind Partisanship prevents you from seeing this.

There is a difference between an occasional flip-flop and the flat-out inconsistencies and contraditions that Kerry has expressed during his campaign.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
God save the queen

In the words of Eddie Izzard:

"Now the Queen lives in a very big house, she has barbed wire outside, and people with guns in front of that. That's one saved f*cking queen, I'll tell you. That's the problem. She's overly saved! She has no idea of the struggle of human existence. We have to work for a living, raise a family - we don't have nannies all running around the place. It's - it's what you've got to do in your life. You know. So it's "God Save the Queen." No! It's too saved. It's "God Attack the Queen," that's what it should be!"

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: daniel1113
First of all, you didn't answer my question.

Second, please explain your comment. I don't think there is a single person that knows where Kerry truly stands on the issues (as is proven by your inability to answer my first question). Care to prove me wrong?

Kerry's stance on issues are on his website:

http://www.johnkerry.com

And he gave a good summary of his plans on Meet The Press the other day.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/

As for your comment, name one thing on which Kerry has flip-flopped? And, if you can find any, find one where he didn't change his mind after thinking through the consequences. Thinking is something foreign to this administration full of ideologues.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: conjur
I don't see Kerry as Dukakis. Dukakis was a schmuck. Kerry's been on the inside too long to be that. But, that's also part of his lack of appeal. He's been on the inside for years and is part of the "old school".

But, his ideas and plans are far better to a safer and healthier America than are Bush's (lack of plans.)

That's not what America thinks.

From the USA Today article:

The survey illustrates Bush's strong edge over Kerry when it comes to national security. By 2-to-1, voters say only Bush, not Kerry, would do a good job in handling terrorism. By nearly as much, 40% to 26%, they say only Bush would do a good job in handling the situation in Iraq. Bush's approval rating on handling terrorism is a muscular 60%.

Because most of America doesn't want to think for themselves. They don't understand the precarious position in which Bush has placed our country.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Klixxer
God save the queen

In the words of Eddie Izzard:

"Now the Queen lives in a very big house, she has barbed wire outside, and people with guns in front of that. That's one saved f*cking queen, I'll tell you. That's the problem. She's overly saved! She has no idea of the struggle of human existence. We have to work for a living, raise a family - we don't have nannies all running around the place. It's - it's what you've got to do in your life. You know. So it's "God Save the Queen." No! It's too saved. It's "God Attack the Queen," that's what it should be!"

IOW, if the president were at the frontline, fewer nations would wage war?

We agree.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: Infohawk






When I see Kerry, I think of Dukakis.

Finally, common ground.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: smashp



Stop Accusing Kerry Of Being a Flip flop wehn ALL politicians Do it. Hell our current President Has flip floped off of so many of Campaign Promises its sickening. Remember him outlining what is needed for us Troop involvement? ALL politicians Flip flop. All politicians Are corupt. Your Blind Partisanship prevents you from seeing this.

aRe YoU aN AmERican?

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: conjur
Because most of America doesn't want to think for themselves. They don't understand the precarious position in which Bush has placed our country.

See, that's a big difference between Republicans and Democrats. I don't think America is dumb, I think most Americans have some sense in their heads to make correct decisions. That's one of the reasons Republicans are for smaller government (please don't start the ridiculous "Bush made the government bigger" argument), tax cuts, etc.
But even if you think that you are smarter and a better thinker than most Americans, it won;t win you the election if most of the country doesn't think in your enlightened ways.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: conjur
Because most of America doesn't want to think for themselves. They don't understand the precarious position in which Bush has placed our country.

See, that's a big difference between Republicans and Democrats. I don't think America is dumb, I think most Americans have some sense in their heads to make correct decisions. That's one of the reasons Republicans are for smaller government (please don't start the ridiculous "Bush made the government bigger" argument), tax cuts, etc.
But even if you think that you are smarter and a better thinker than most Americans, it won;t win you the election if most of the country doesn't think in your enlightened ways.

Your last statement is a sad indictment on this nation. We, as a whole, have become a nation of soundbites and headlines. The yearn to learn is gone.

As for not starting "the ridiculous 'Bush made the government bigger' argument', the last few Republican administrations are the ones that have run the national deficit up to enormous proportions. Clinton's last four fiscal budgets produced surpluses! Check out http://www.cbo.gov for yourself.

Spending restrictions were going in place (thanks to fiscal hawks like Greenspan). Cheney brought Paul O'Neill onboard to head the Treasury. O'Neill and Greenspan thought alike and both wanted fiscal responsibility to rule the roost. Well, we see what happened, eh? O'Neill resigned in frustration at the Bush administration's ideologues and the fact Bush put people like yes-man Larry Lindsey as head of the NEC (a position that's supposed to be a broker between Treasury and the President's Council of Economic Advisors.)

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: conjur
Because most of America doesn't want to think for themselves. They don't understand the precarious position in which Bush has placed our country.

See, that's a big difference between Republicans and Democrats. I don't think America is dumb, I think most Americans have some sense in their heads to make correct decisions. That's one of the reasons Republicans are for smaller government (please don't start the ridiculous "Bush made the government bigger" argument), tax cuts, etc.
But even if you think that you are smarter and a better thinker than most Americans, it won;t win you the election if most of the country doesn't think in your enlightened ways.

realize how smart the average person is, then realize that 50% of the population is dumber than him.

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: smashp







Stop Accusing Kerry Of Being a Flip flop wehn ALL politicians Do it. Hell our current President Has flip floped off of so many of Campaign Promises its sickening. Remember him outlining what is needed for us Troop involvement? ALL politicians Flip flop. All politicians Are corupt. Your Blind Partisanship prevents you from seeing this.

aRe YoU aN AmERican?

A proud american. in fact My blood is Blue. Im a son of the revolution By great....... grandfather was an officer directly under Washington at Vally forge and beyond.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

But even if you think that you are smarter and a better thinker than most Americans, it won;t win you the election if most of the country doesn't think in your enlightened ways.

Moreover, the Democrats do not control a single facet of government, yet they somehow consider themselves "mainstream." Funny how their warped world works.

 

[SuperTool]

Why is "Bush made the government bigger" argument "ridiculous?"

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: conjur

Because most of America doesn't want to think for themselves. They don't understand the precarious position in which Bush has placed our country.

For someone who criticize the capacity of most Americans and their inability to "think for themselves," you sure don't sound like you think things through on your own...you sound like you have 3 websites stored in your 'favorites folder'

1.) LA Times
2.) NYT
3.) www.anyone.but.bush.com

I guess because typical Americans don't have 20,000+ posts here, you are far superior in intellect and your ability to "think." What do you do for a living?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: ThePresence

But even if you think that you are smarter and a better thinker than most Americans, it won;t win you the election if most of the country doesn't think in your enlightened ways.

Moreover, the Democrats do not control a single facet of government, yet they somehow consider themselves "mainstream." Funny how their warped world works.

The Republican President had fewer votes than his Democratic opponent but considers himself "mainstream". Funny how his warped world works.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: ThePresence

But even if you think that you are smarter and a better thinker than most Americans, it won;t win you the election if most of the country doesn't think in your enlightened ways.

Moreover, the Democrats do not control a single facet of government, yet they somehow consider themselves "mainstream." Funny how their warped world works.

The Republican President had fewer votes than his Democratic opponent but considers himself "mainstream". Funny how his warped world works.

..and the House, the Senate, the Supreme Court, the states. What might the Democrats be running nowadays?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: conjur

Because most of America doesn't want to think for themselves. They don't understand the precarious position in which Bush has placed our country.

For someone who criticize the capacity of most Americans and their inability to "think for themselves," you sure don't sound like you think things through on your own...you sound like you have 3 websites stored in your 'favorites folder'

1.) LA Times
2.) NYT
3.) www.anyone.but.bush.com

I guess because typical Americans don't have 20,000+ posts here, you are far superior in intellect and your ability to "think." What do you do for a living?

Ah...ad hominem attacks. The standard m.o. of right-wingers.

Let's see...the news sites I frequent:

AP
BBC
CNN
FOX News
MSNBC
Newsday
Newsweek
NYTimes
Telegraph
Reuters
Washington Post



And, wth does postcount have to do with anything? I've been a member here for 3 years but there are plenty of people who've joined recently who offer up sound debate.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: conjur
Because most of America doesn't want to think for themselves. They don't understand the precarious position in which Bush has placed our country.

See, that's a big difference between Republicans and Democrats. I don't think America is dumb, I think most Americans have some sense in their heads to make correct decisions. That's one of the reasons Republicans are for smaller government (please don't start the ridiculous "Bush made the government bigger" argument), tax cuts, etc.
But even if you think that you are smarter and a better thinker than most Americans, it won;t win you the election if most of the country doesn't think in your enlightened ways.

Your last statement is a sad indictment on this nation. We, as a whole, have become a nation of soundbites and headlines. The yearn to learn is gone.

As for not starting "the ridiculous 'Bush made the government bigger' argument', the last few Republican administrations are the ones that have run the national deficit up to enormous proportions. Clinton's last four fiscal budgets produced surpluses! Check out http://www.cbo.gov for yourself.

Spending restrictions were going in place (thanks to fiscal hawks like Greenspan). Cheney brought Paul O'Neill onboard to head the Treasury. O'Neill and Greenspan thought alike and both wanted fiscal responsibility to rule the roost. Well, we see what happened, eh? O'Neill resigned in frustration at the Bush administration's ideologues and the fact Bush put people like yes-man Larry Lindsey as head of the NEC (a position that's supposed to be a broker between Treasury and the President's Council of Economic Advisors.)

The italicized part is another argument for another thread, I should not have brought it up here. As far as your first comment, I don't believe the "yearn to learn" is gone. I don't think that people who "learn" in ways other than mine are not learning at all.

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: ThePresence



But even if you think that you are smarter and a better thinker than most Americans, it won;t win you the election if most of the country doesn't think in your enlightened ways.

Moreover, the Democrats do not control a single facet of government, yet they somehow consider themselves "mainstream." Funny how their warped world works.

The Republican President had fewer votes than his Democratic opponent but considers himself "mainstream". Funny how his warped world works.

..and the House, the Senate, the Supreme Court, the states. What might the Democrats be running nowadays?

Well I guess that means your party is is fully responcible for all the problems and for failures to address those problems.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: smashp

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: ThePresence







But even if you think that you are smarter and a better thinker than most Americans, it won;t win you the election if most of the country doesn't think in your enlightened ways.

Moreover, the Democrats do not control a single facet of government, yet they somehow consider themselves "mainstream." Funny how their warped world works.

The Republican President had fewer votes than his Democratic opponent but considers himself "mainstream". Funny how his warped world works.

..and the House, the Senate, the Supreme Court, the states. What might the Democrats be running nowadays?

Well I guess that means your party is is fully responcible for all the problems and for failures to address those problems.

Republicans are never responsible for anything. It's all Bill Clinton's fault

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: smashp

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
..and the House, the Senate, the Supreme Court, the states. What might the Democrats be running nowadays?

Well I guess that means your party is is fully responcible for all the problems and for failures to address those problems.

Republicans are never responsible for anything. It's all Bill Clinton's fault

heh heh

 

[DealMonkey]

If only the new AT forums had a "steaming turd" emoticon, so I could pull a Galt and crap in this thread. Oh the humanity!

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: conjur
All it means is that more people think Bush has more clearly stated his views than has Kerry.

Let me guess... the democrats are just having a hard time getting their message out, again...

Buahahahahahahaha!!!!!!111one!!!!

:beer::beer:

CkG

 

[SuperTool]

Zogby has Kerry ahead by 3 points. These polls don't mean much of anything 7 months out unless the spread gets large enough.
But I wouldn't use them to predict who is gonna win the popular vote much less electoral vote, if the election was held tomorrow, unless the spread was above 5%.

http://www.zogby.com/Soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=8052

 

[dmcowen674]

"'Mainstream' America out of touch with Hanoi John"

Fearless Liar loyalist sheep out of touch with mainstream America.


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