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President Bannon Mooches Himself

Interesting comment....
He dismissed the far right as irrelevant and sidestepped his own role in cultivating it: “Ethno-nationalism—it's losers. It's a fringe element. I think the media plays it up too much, and we gotta help crush it, you know, uh, help crush it more.”

“These guys are a collection of clowns,” he added.
 
Interesting comment....

All of the not quite so blatant hard right has been 'disowning' the extremes of the extreme for a few days now. They overestimated just how far they could go by just a bit and are now trying to recover. It fits well with the "lots of good guys on both sides" line from the god emperor.

Those couple of guys over there in the corner? Oh, bad guys, yeah. Very bad guys. The rest of us: "Who, us?" <wink, wink>
 
Interesting comment. For those of you who fell for Dump's "fire and fury" bullshit when it comes to North Korea,

Bannon says...
On North Korea, Bannon said: “‘Until somebody solves the part of the equation that shows me that ten million people in Seoul don’t die in the first 30 minutes from conventional weapons, I don’t know what you’re talking about, there’s no military solution here, they got us.’

Something most of us already knew. That's why Clinton, Bush and Obama couldn't get it solved.
 
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There is some word circulating that this was done intentionally to either cement his position or make Trump push him out instead of reside in a powerless purgatory.
 
I think this was Bannons attempt to distance himself from the White Power guys. He is smart enough to know a bunch follow him, he is smart enough to know Jared & Ivanka hold more power and access to Trump than him, he is smart enough to know Alt Right White Power is not something Jared & Ivanka want associated with their names.
 
By report if you call a reporter unless you specifically say it's off the record,it's assumed that it's on the record. Bannon who is an experienced media professional absolutely knows this industry rule.
Most certainly. I'm willing to bet Mooch knew it, too.
 
Collection of clowns? When he ran Breitbart he said "I want this to be the home of the alt-right"

And what did that word mean to him? Not to you now, but to him back then. Were Breitbart's articles pro Nazi / KKK?

Or maybe they were anti establishment. I imagine being a rebel against the leadership is where a self described "alt" came from. So it matters if it dredged up support from the worst elements intentionally or incidentally. People always assume the worst, and as far as I know you're correct, but I'd still like to know for certain.
 
And what did that word mean to him? Not to you now, but to him back then. Were Breitbart's articles pro Nazi / KKK?

Or maybe they were anti establishment. I imagine being a rebel against the leadership is where a self described "alt" came from. So it matters if it dredged up support from the worst elements intentionally or incidentally. People always assume the worst, and as far as I know you're correct, but I'd still like to know for certain.
What?
 
I'm trying to figure out Bannon's play here--I'm going on the assumption that this man is not an idiot when it comes to dealing with Press, and that anything he told a reporter was meant to leak out.

There must be something that he needed leaked out to the press, no matter how damaging it would seem to his job or his standing with Trump. What was so important? Did he need to send a signal to China circumventing State? Doubtful. Was he trying to distance the Administration from white supremacists? I don't think that was his central play here. I get the sense he's trying to force out Kelly for some reason, I.e. goad him into taking some course of action with Trump or provide an excuse to resign. I think he wants Kelly's job.
 
I'm trying to figure out Bannon's play here--I'm going on the assumption that this man is not an idiot when it comes to dealing with Press, and that anything he told a reporter was meant to leak out.

There must be something that he needed leaked out to the press, no matter how damaging it would seem to his job or his standing with Trump. What was so important? Did he need to send a signal to China circumventing State? Doubtful. Was he trying to distance the Administration from white supremacists? I don't think that was his central play here. I get the sense he's trying to force out Kelly for some reason, I.e. goad him into taking some course of action with Trump or provide an excuse to resign. I think he wants Kelly's job.

All of those scenarios involve so much winning!
 
And what did that word mean to him? Not to you now, but to him back then. Were Breitbart's articles pro Nazi / KKK?

Or maybe they were anti establishment. I imagine being a rebel against the leadership is where a self described "alt" came from. So it matters if it dredged up support from the worst elements intentionally or incidentally. People always assume the worst, and as far as I know you're correct, but I'd still like to know for certain.
Oh I get it. As long as you can justify by saying "hey they don't ascribe to the definitions the rest of the world uses. Not knowing what said person really thinks.

Makes perfect sense
 
I recall Breitbart having some damning articles against minorities but I don't remember the specifics. So while I think you're right I'd be rather interested in some proof that Bannon is pro Nazi / KKK. Otherwise I'm thinking at worst he has encouraged them and may have some overlap.

https://www.splcenter.org/stephen-bannon-has-no-business-white-house

^ That summary accurately reflects what I remember of Breitbart. I probably have a more pragmatic approach to realizing who they are, and how they ended up encouraging white supremacists. It starts with simple human tribalism. Democrats VS Republicans. And who do minorities overwhelming vote for? So in a world of partisanship minorities are automatically considered a Democrat. Automatically "the enemy". Identity politics being what it is, there are minority issues brought up as national issues. But again, those belong to Democrats. So to campaign against Democrats, they will campaign against minorities and minority issues. It's racism derived through petty party politics.

Does it ultimately matter? It means there is hope to divest them from their entanglements. While they're dead set towards partisanship and attacking Democrats, it means they're not necessarily dedicated to attacking minorities. Even though the two separate "causes" are often interchangeable. The crux of it: Is fighting the good fight more important than condemning white supremacists? Bannon may be willing to call them clowns, but would he really ACT against them? To condemn not with words but with actions?

He may view them as idiots, but he may be viewing them as useful idiots. And that's a problem.
Ultimately Breitbart, Bannon, Trump and company should be held responsible for this overlap, for this encouragement. It's one thing to call #BLM out for its foundation of lies, it's quite another to talk !@#$ about minorities. To paint them as an enemy. To add fuel to the fire.

America needs to stand above that. But how do we claw it back now? What actions do we want Republicans to take to fix this?
 
I recall Breitbart having some damning articles against minorities but I don't remember the specifics. So while I think you're right I'd be rather interested in some proof that Bannon is pro Nazi / KKK. Otherwise I'm thinking at worst he has encouraged them and may have some overlap.

https://www.splcenter.org/stephen-bannon-has-no-business-white-house

^ That summary accurately reflects what I remember of Breitbart. I probably have a more pragmatic approach to realizing who they are, and how they ended up encouraging white supremacists. It starts with simple human tribalism. Democrats VS Republicans. And who do minorities overwhelming vote for? So in a world of partisanship minorities are automatically considered a Democrat. Automatically "the enemy". Identity politics being what it is, there are minority issues brought up as national issues. But again, those belong to Democrats. So to campaign against Democrats, they will campaign against minorities and minority issues. It's racism derived through petty party politics.

Does it ultimately matter? It means there is hope to divest them from their entanglements. While they're dead set towards partisanship and attacking Democrats, it means they're not necessarily dedicated to attacking minorities. Even though the two separate "causes" are often interchangeable. The crux of it: Is fighting the good fight more important than condemning white supremacists? Bannon may be willing to call them clowns, but would he really ACT against them? To condemn not with words but with actions?

He may view them as idiots, but he may be viewing them as useful idiots. And that's a problem.
Ultimately Breitbart, Bannon, Trump and company should be held responsible for this overlap, for this encouragement. It's one thing to call #BLM out for its foundation of lies, it's quite another to talk !@#$ about minorities. To paint them as an enemy. To add fuel to the fire.

America needs to stand above that. But how do we claw it back now? What actions do we want Republicans to take to fix this?

I think republicans should vote for the birther magnate whose main advisor thinks too many minority execs are a threat to civil society. Then apologize/defend the best they can a klan/nazi terrorist rally, like rant about #BLM's foundation of lies.
 
I recall Breitbart having some damning articles against minorities but I don't remember the specifics. So while I think you're right I'd be rather interested in some proof that Bannon is pro Nazi / KKK. Otherwise I'm thinking at worst he has encouraged them and may have some overlap.

https://www.splcenter.org/stephen-bannon-has-no-business-white-house

^ That summary accurately reflects what I remember of Breitbart. I probably have a more pragmatic approach to realizing who they are, and how they ended up encouraging white supremacists. It starts with simple human tribalism. Democrats VS Republicans. And who do minorities overwhelming vote for? So in a world of partisanship minorities are automatically considered a Democrat. Automatically "the enemy". Identity politics being what it is, there are minority issues brought up as national issues. But again, those belong to Democrats. So to campaign against Democrats, they will campaign against minorities and minority issues. It's racism derived through petty party politics.

Does it ultimately matter? It means there is hope to divest them from their entanglements. While they're dead set towards partisanship and attacking Democrats, it means they're not necessarily dedicated to attacking minorities. Even though the two separate "causes" are often interchangeable. The crux of it: Is fighting the good fight more important than condemning white supremacists? Bannon may be willing to call them clowns, but would he really ACT against them? To condemn not with words but with actions?

He may view them as idiots, but he may be viewing them as useful idiots. And that's a problem.
Ultimately Breitbart, Bannon, Trump and company should be held responsible for this overlap, for this encouragement. It's one thing to call #BLM out for its foundation of lies, it's quite another to talk !@#$ about minorities. To paint them as an enemy. To add fuel to the fire.

America needs to stand above that. But how do we claw it back now? What actions do we want Republicans to take to fix this?

You linked a really short article but I don't think you understood it very well, not well at all judging from what you wrote. I think this is the salient part-

"We're the platform for the alt-right," Bannon said in July, using a term that is really just a rebranding of traditional white nationalism.


"Hope to divest them from their entanglements" won't change who they are, not one little bit.



 
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