Preserving Democracy: What Went Wrong In Ohio

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: ciba

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: charrison


Why are the democrats not looking into voting irregularities that happened in PA and WA, as the the victory margins were much smaller.


Oh yea, they won in those states....:roll:

Why would they need to? To prove the Reps did not cheat as well there? It would only prove the Dems won my a bigger margin.

Riiiiiggght. In Washington, all signs point to the democrats benefitting from wrongdoing.

Show me.

 

[BBond]

A foolproof complaint-free system is not what we're talking about here. This is a system deliberately, massively manipulated. And there are myriad examples of fraud, disenfranchisement, and manipulation from the 2000 and 2004 elections. For exapmle, felon lists used PRE-ELECTION to disenfranchise voters. Companies PAID BY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY to register voters then destroy only the Democratic registration cards. Too few voting machines, no matter what your articles say or your opinions are, in Democratic areas leading to long waits at the polls while machines languished in warehouses or were shifted from Democratic precincts to Republican precincts.

That's what the testimony says. Read the report. It's a bit more comprehensive than the Ohio.com :roll: investigation into Cuyahoga County. If you don't want to read the entire report at least readt he summary. Then search any info you dispute for the details.

PS Statistics are funny. They can be manipulated too. Did anyone ever stop to think that the vote counts per machine were lower in Democratic areas because voters just gave up and left when they saw the lines???

 

[ciba]

Originally posted by: Ldir
Show me.

Read the thread, for starters.

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: ciba

Originally posted by: Ldir
Show me.

Read the thread, for starters.

I did read the thread. I see nothing to support your story that "In Washington, all signs point to the democrats benefitting from wrongdoing."

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: BBond
A foolproof complaint-free system is not what we're talking about here. This is a system deliberately, massively manipulated. And there are myriad examples of fraud, disenfranchisement, and manipulation from the 2000 and 2004 elections. For exapmle, felon lists used PRE-ELECTION to disenfranchise voters. Companies PAID BY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY to register voters then destroy only the Democratic registration cards. Too few voting machines, no matter what your articles say or your opinions are, in Democratic areas leading to long waits at the polls while machines languished in warehouses or were shifted from Democratic precincts to Republican precincts.

That's what the testimony says. Read the report. It's a bit more comprehensive than the Ohio.com :roll: investigation into Cuyahoga County. If you don't want to read the entire report at least readt he summary. Then search any info you dispute for the details.

PS Statistics are funny. They can be manipulated too. Did anyone ever stop to think that the vote counts per machine were lower in Democratic areas because voters just gave up and left when they saw the lines???

Being the 'perfection in voting' advocate that you are, I would like you to answer this, Bob.

Do you think that Democratic voters are to fvcking stupid to prevent this stuff from happening, or do you think that the republicans are to fvcking smart to stop this stuff from happening? 😕


Me, I think that in this society, sh!t like this is going to happen regardless of how much you b!tch and whine and moan and groan about it, and in the end the injustice of it all will be equal on both sides, which makes it pretty much a non-issue....

 

[ciba]

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: ciba

Originally posted by: Ldir
Show me.

Read the thread, for starters.

I did read the thread. I see nothing to support your story that "In Washington, all signs point to the democrats benefitting from wrongdoing."

Try my post outlining the oddities in King County. The 1,800 votes without voters rivals the rest of the state's total. The ~350 wrongfully counted provisional ballots does the same. I'm not saying there weren't problems in the rest of the state. King County was just so screwed up that the rest of the state pales in comparison.

I will grudgingly admit I live in King County. 🙁

 

[3chordcharlie]

Interesting that in a different context, Bush believes 'the process' is the key to a meaningful election, but at home, all he wants to do is win.

I think there's some major holes in the electoral process in America, and as enlightening as statistical arguments about whether or not the process changed the outcome might be, the more important question really is 'how do you fix the process'.

 

[ciba]

Originally posted by: BBond
PS Statistics are funny. They can be manipulated too. Did anyone ever stop to think that the vote counts per machine were lower in Democratic areas because voters just gave up and left when they saw the lines???

It's sad that people won't vote because of a line. Take a look the voter turnout and lines in newly organized democracies. People just don't feel they need to exercise their right to vote here.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: BBond
A foolproof complaint-free system is not what we're talking about here. This is a system deliberately, massively manipulated. And there are myriad examples of fraud, disenfranchisement, and manipulation from the 2000 and 2004 elections. For exapmle, felon lists used PRE-ELECTION to disenfranchise voters. Companies PAID BY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY to register voters then destroy only the Democratic registration cards. Too few voting machines, no matter what your articles say or your opinions are, in Democratic areas leading to long waits at the polls while machines languished in warehouses or were shifted from Democratic precincts to Republican precincts.

That's what the testimony says. Read the report. It's a bit more comprehensive than the Ohio.com :roll: investigation into Cuyahoga County. If you don't want to read the entire report at least readt he summary. Then search any info you dispute for the details.

PS Statistics are funny. They can be manipulated too. Did anyone ever stop to think that the vote counts per machine were lower in Democratic areas because voters just gave up and left when they saw the lines???

Being the 'perfection in voting' advocate that you are, I would like you to answer this, Bob.

Do you think that Democratic voters are to fvcking stupid to prevent this stuff from happening, or do you think that the republicans are to fvcking smart to stop this stuff from happening? 😕


Me, I think that in this society, sh!t like this is going to happen regardless of how much you b!tch and whine and moan and groan about it, and in the end the injustice of it all will be equal on both sides, which makes it pretty much a non-issue....

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: BBond
A foolproof complaint-free system is not what we're talking about here. This is a system deliberately, massively manipulated. And there are myriad examples of fraud, disenfranchisement, and manipulation from the 2000 and 2004 elections. For exapmle, felon lists used PRE-ELECTION to disenfranchise voters. Companies PAID BY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY to register voters then destroy only the Democratic registration cards. Too few voting machines, no matter what your articles say or your opinions are, in Democratic areas leading to long waits at the polls while machines languished in warehouses or were shifted from Democratic precincts to Republican precincts.

That's what the testimony says. Read the report. It's a bit more comprehensive than the Ohio.com :roll: investigation into Cuyahoga County. If you don't want to read the entire report at least readt he summary. Then search any info you dispute for the details.

PS Statistics are funny. They can be manipulated too. Did anyone ever stop to think that the vote counts per machine were lower in Democratic areas because voters just gave up and left when they saw the lines???

Being the 'perfection in voting' advocate that you are, I would like you to answer this, Bob.

Do you think that Democratic voters are to fvcking stupid to prevent this stuff from happening, or do you think that the republicans are to fvcking smart to stop this stuff from happening? 😕


Me, I think that in this society, sh!t like this is going to happen regardless of how much you b!tch and whine and moan and groan about it, and in the end the injustice of it all will be equal on both sides, which makes it pretty much a non-issue....

Disenfranchisement is NOT equal on both sides and you know it. But I guess it's "a non-issue" as long as it's blacks being disenfranchised. Why? Because they vote Democrat.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: BBond
A foolproof complaint-free system is not what we're talking about here. This is a system deliberately, massively manipulated. And there are myriad examples of fraud, disenfranchisement, and manipulation from the 2000 and 2004 elections. For exapmle, felon lists used PRE-ELECTION to disenfranchise voters. Companies PAID BY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY to register voters then destroy only the Democratic registration cards. Too few voting machines, no matter what your articles say or your opinions are, in Democratic areas leading to long waits at the polls while machines languished in warehouses or were shifted from Democratic precincts to Republican precincts.

That's what the testimony says. Read the report. It's a bit more comprehensive than the Ohio.com :roll: investigation into Cuyahoga County. If you don't want to read the entire report at least readt he summary. Then search any info you dispute for the details.

PS Statistics are funny. They can be manipulated too. Did anyone ever stop to think that the vote counts per machine were lower in Democratic areas because voters just gave up and left when they saw the lines???

Being the 'perfection in voting' advocate that you are, I would like you to answer this, Bob.

Do you think that Democratic voters are to fvcking stupid to prevent this stuff from happening, or do you think that the republicans are to fvcking smart to stop this stuff from happening? 😕


Me, I think that in this society, sh!t like this is going to happen regardless of how much you b!tch and whine and moan and groan about it, and in the end the injustice of it all will be equal on both sides, which makes it pretty much a non-issue....

Disenfranchisement is NOT equal on both sides and you know it.

Well, here is a challenge to you and the originator of this most useless thread.

PROVE IT OR STFU....

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: BBond
A foolproof complaint-free system is not what we're talking about here. This is a system deliberately, massively manipulated. And there are myriad examples of fraud, disenfranchisement, and manipulation from the 2000 and 2004 elections. For exapmle, felon lists used PRE-ELECTION to disenfranchise voters. Companies PAID BY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY to register voters then destroy only the Democratic registration cards. Too few voting machines, no matter what your articles say or your opinions are, in Democratic areas leading to long waits at the polls while machines languished in warehouses or were shifted from Democratic precincts to Republican precincts.

That's what the testimony says. Read the report. It's a bit more comprehensive than the Ohio.com :roll: investigation into Cuyahoga County. If you don't want to read the entire report at least readt he summary. Then search any info you dispute for the details.

PS Statistics are funny. They can be manipulated too. Did anyone ever stop to think that the vote counts per machine were lower in Democratic areas because voters just gave up and left when they saw the lines???

Being the 'perfection in voting' advocate that you are, I would like you to answer this, Bob.

Do you think that Democratic voters are to fvcking stupid to prevent this stuff from happening, or do you think that the republicans are to fvcking smart to stop this stuff from happening? 😕


Me, I think that in this society, sh!t like this is going to happen regardless of how much you b!tch and whine and moan and groan about it, and in the end the injustice of it all will be equal on both sides, which makes it pretty much a non-issue....

Disenfranchisement is NOT equal on both sides and you know it.

Well, here is a challenge to you and the originator of this most useless thread.

PROVE IT OR STFU....

Either you can show that white, suburban REPUBLICANS were disenfranchised or you STFU. GD assclown.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Either you can show that white, suburban REPUBLICANS were disenfranchised or you STFU. GD assclown.
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Here, I will take real small baby steps for you.

Ozoned: "Me, I think that in this society, sh!t like this is going to happen regardless of how much you b!tch and whine and moan and groan about it, and in the end the injustice of it all will be equal on both sides, which makes it pretty much a non-issue...."

Darkhawk "Disenfranchisement is NOT equal on both sides and you know it"


Well, since you can't back up your claim, try the question I posed to Bob:

Do you think that Democratic voters are to fvcking stupid to prevent this stuff from happening, or do you think that the republicans are to fvcking smart to stop this stuff from happening? 😕

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Either you can show that white, suburban REPUBLICANS were disenfranchised or you STFU. GD assclown.

tisk tisk tisk, such language.

perhaps you need a laugh.

CsG